This is the confirmed info atm
CONFIRMED at the moment:*08:00 pm: several shots fired, beginning at Seitenstettengasse *several suspects armed with rifles*six different shooting locations* one deceaced person, several injured (1 officer included)*1 suspect shot and killed by police officers #0211w— POLIZEI WIEN (@LPDWien) November 2, 2020
Lots of people (very prematurely) sharing that shooting in #Vienna is terror attack on a synagogue. Jewish community leader below confirms synagogues were closed at time. It seems whatever has happened (and no official comment yet) may just have been in vicinity of synagogue. https://t.co/ps3c3oDg0B— Michael Cowan (@mrmikecowan) November 2, 2020
― liberté, égalité, scampé (gyac), Monday, 2 November 2020 22:07 (three years ago) link
Considering it's the jewish center of the city, I wouldn't be surprised if the attack was anti-semitic in nature.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 3 November 2020 01:54 (three years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/jan/15/salman-rushdie-on-charlie-hebdo-freedom-of-speech-can-only-be-absolute“The French satirical tradition has always been very pointed and very harsh, and still is, you know,” Rushdie said. “The thing that I really resent is the way in which these, our dead comrades ... who died using the same implement that I use, which is a pen or pencil, have been almost immediately vilified and called racists and I don’t know what else.”
pretty cool and still relevant.
― Sébastien, Tuesday, 3 November 2020 02:02 (three years ago) link
I actually don't completely agree with him philosophically about freedom/freedom of speech, but I hate the impulse people have to "yes but" the murders of writers and cartoonists. To the extent that we are talking about "freedom" of speech in the sense that no one should die for their speech, then I 100% agree that freedom is indivisible.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 02:08 (three years ago) link
Calling people like Bernard Maris or Cabu racists is dumb and I find it quite vile to not see in them a desire to first caricature the extremists. I think it's important to acknowledge that someone racist can do work that isn't racist and that the opposite is true, when I was talking about the case of teacher Party, it's less about him than the entire systemic racism and islamophobia l'éducation nationale presents to their students.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 3 November 2020 02:59 (three years ago) link
The attackers struck as Austrians congregated outdoors to enjoy a final night out before the country imposes strict new measures to control the pandemic.“You could feel a lot of people wanted to get out one more time before lockdown starts,” said Ameli Pietsch, 23, who was in the area an hour before the attack. “It was a mild evening and lots of people were outside.”
The opening pictures that we showed in our News At Ten report on the shooting in Vienna were not from tonight’s incident. We apologise for this error.— ITV News (@itvnews) November 2, 2020
― liberté, égalité, scampé (gyac), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 10:16 (three years ago) link
Ah yes, liberté, égalité, fraternité: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55001167
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Friday, 20 November 2020 02:09 (three years ago) link
i’m sure that will have the intended effect ffs
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 20 November 2020 07:27 (three years ago) link
well at least now Tristam Hunt can't decry our lack of a Macron type figure in the UK, not while Farage is still politically active.
― calzino, Friday, 20 November 2020 08:05 (three years ago) link
actually on reflection the “intended effect” is to demonise muslims for electoral gain so perhaps i am judging to hastily but as gyac said on the other thread why not just vote for the full-fat FN version and be done with it
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 20 November 2020 09:26 (three years ago) link
https://t.co/8ZDrtBPU3G pic.twitter.com/UyHvJqpgBy— Fred Durst Apologist (@DurstApologist) November 20, 2020
― calzino, Friday, 20 November 2020 11:44 (three years ago) link
An update re: the Paty case:
A French schoolgirl has admitted lying and fabricating a story about her teacher, who was beheaded last year after her accusations against him.The 13-year-old pupil, whose father started a hate campaign against Samuel Paty by filing a legal complaint, says she lied to please her father, and she was not even at the class in which the teacher was alleged to have shown a caricature of the Prophet Muhammad.The girl, who has not been identified, had originally claimed that Mr Paty had asked Muslim pupils to leave the class before he showed “a photograph of the Prophet naked” to children during a class on free speech.Her claims led to a dramatic chain of events, including death threats against the teacher and outrage among Muslims.
The 13-year-old pupil, whose father started a hate campaign against Samuel Paty by filing a legal complaint, says she lied to please her father, and she was not even at the class in which the teacher was alleged to have shown a caricature of the Prophet Muhammad.
The girl, who has not been identified, had originally claimed that Mr Paty had asked Muslim pupils to leave the class before he showed “a photograph of the Prophet naked” to children during a class on free speech.Her claims led to a dramatic chain of events, including death threats against the teacher and outrage among Muslims.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/france-samuel-paty-beheading-schoolgirl-b1814372.html
― stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Wednesday, 10 March 2021 18:19 (three years ago) link
This story just gets more godawful over time.
― Judge Roi Behan (Aimless), Wednesday, 10 March 2021 18:59 (three years ago) link
Yeah, grim stuff.
― intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Wednesday, 10 March 2021 19:03 (three years ago) link
Her claims led to a dramatic chain of events, including death threats against the teacher and outrage among Muslims.
Also, a beheading!
― DJI, Wednesday, 10 March 2021 19:06 (three years ago) link
yeah, makes it sound like the teacher had to lock his twitter down
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 10 March 2021 19:11 (three years ago) link
French daily newspaper Le Parisien reported that the girl wanted to prevent her father from knowing that she had been suspended for failing to attend the lessons.
“She would not have dared to confess to her father the real reasons for her exclusion shortly before the tragedy, which was in fact linked to her bad behaviour,” according to Le Parisien.
Particularly gritty Leave it to Beaver episode
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 10 March 2021 19:15 (three years ago) link
Too early to say if it's a terrorist attack, but several killed by a bow and arrow (!) in Kongsberg, Norway.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58906165
― Dan Worsley, Wednesday, 13 October 2021 19:49 (two years ago) link
There is nothing at all in the linked report that suggests this was a terror attack, so posting it here, now, with no further info, seems unwarranted.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 20:03 (two years ago) link
In the wake of the attack, Norwegian police have been ordered to temporarily carry firearms as a precaution.
― St. Twel'mo, or the Cuneiform Cyclopedist of Chattanooga (President Keyes), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 20:30 (two years ago) link
oh shit
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 13 October 2021 20:38 (two years ago) link
Authorities have not ruled out the possibility of a terror attack. "From the course of events, it is natural to consider whether this is an act of terrorism," Aas said.
― calzino, Wednesday, 13 October 2021 21:22 (two years ago) link
as usual Aimless only reads his own posts
― calzino, Wednesday, 13 October 2021 21:27 (two years ago) link
somebody has to
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 13 October 2021 21:54 (two years ago) link
the linked article was updated after I posted, and those quotes after my post were among the updates, fwiw
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 22:03 (two years ago) link
but hey, it's fun to dunk on people regardless of chronology
― Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 22:08 (two years ago) link
first clue would be, idk, the fact that the article shows it's most recent version was published 35 minutes ago, when the original was quite obviously posted hours ago. very clearly indicating a recent update, but y'know...."dunks"
― Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 22:11 (two years ago) link
so it was "unwarranted" to post this here? I hardly think so.
― calzino, Wednesday, 13 October 2021 22:16 (two years ago) link
Half the threads on ILE have lately turned into races to see who can dunk on another poster the fastest, so who knows. I thought it was fine to post here, especially with the caveat provided, esp because I can't think of a better, more relevant thread and starting a whole new one might not have been worth it.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 22:24 (two years ago) link
I hardly think so.
Knowing your expressed opinion of me, whatever I say is not likely to cause you to reconsider. But other people read these threads, so...
Basically all that was said in the article at the time it was posted to this thread was that an assault with a bow and arrow had happened in a public place in Norway and multiple people had been killed or injured. Dan Worsley in his OP said it was "too early to say if it's a terrorist attack", yet he chose to treat it as one by selecting this thread.
I think it is not a good thing when people jump to hasty conclusions about the motives of an assault and label the act as 'terrorism' and the perpetrator a 'terrorist' when nothing in the available reporting leads to that conclusion. It just heightens fear and tension, sometimes for no reason. So, the complete lack of details at the time Dan posted (and I responded) did make his choice of thread unwarranted, in my opinion.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 23:09 (two years ago) link
I have to admit I was scared to to open this thread and then I saw it was about a bow and arrow attack. So I guess that part was nice?
― DJI, Wednesday, 13 October 2021 23:26 (two years ago) link
"yet he chose to treat it as one by selecting this thread"
I wouldn't be such a supercilious arrogant prick if I didn't have a basic understanding of how threads work on here.
― calzino, Wednesday, 13 October 2021 23:32 (two years ago) link
Hah! I shall raise my eyebrows at you!
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 23:43 (two years ago) link
Here you go, let's not fall out over this one.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/15/counter-terrorism-police-take-over-inquiry-into-david-amess-killing
― Starmer: "Let the children boogie, let all the children boogie." (Tom D.), Saturday, 16 October 2021 10:08 (two years ago) link
"Basically all that was said in the article at the time it was posted to this thread was that an assault with a bow and arrow had happened in a public place in Norway and multiple people had been killed or injured."
So basically it was totally fine to revive the thread. If it had turned out not to have been a terror attack this would've been corrected eventually.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 16 October 2021 12:49 (two years ago) link
Oops https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/18/world/europe/norway-attack.amp.htmlIn Norway Attack, 'Sharp Object,' Not Arrows, Killed 5, Police Say
― Typo? Negative! (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 23:16 (two years ago) link
interesting headline choice when that part seems like a simple mistake and this part seems a bit more important
The police had previously contacted Mr. Brathen, a 37-year-old Danish citizen and Muslim convert, over concerns that he had been radicalized, and the Norwegian security agency, known as PST, said soon after the attack that it appeared to be an “act of terrorism.”But on Monday, Per Thomas Omholt, the chief of police in the Sor-Ost Police District, said of the motivation for the crime that “the initial hypothesis about conversion to Islam is weakened.”“He has said he converted in public, but he has not lived up to this in practice,” Mr. Omholt said.
But on Monday, Per Thomas Omholt, the chief of police in the Sor-Ost Police District, said of the motivation for the crime that “the initial hypothesis about conversion to Islam is weakened.”
“He has said he converted in public, but he has not lived up to this in practice,” Mr. Omholt said.
― certified juice therapist (harbl), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 23:23 (two years ago) link
murderer: "i'm a terrorist"police: "let's not jump to conclusions. after all, you are very white"
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 23:57 (two years ago) link
https://inews.co.uk/news/liverpool-womens-hospital-explosion-terror-police-lead-probe-blast-kills-one-injures-one-1300303
Bomb outside liverpool women's hospital at 10:59 on Remembrance sunday...
(bomber apparently took taxi to the hospital, the taxi driver noticed and locked him in)
― koogs, Monday, 15 November 2021 11:08 (two years ago) link
The taxi driver has been released from hospital already! The only person killed was the bomber. Still, what a nerve the driver had.
― suggest bainne (gyac), Monday, 15 November 2021 11:11 (two years ago) link
Shades of Smeato.
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Monday, 15 November 2021 11:15 (two years ago) link
Curious, if the taxi driver could not get far enough away before the blast to not escape injury, how would the terrorist have had any time to try to exit the vehicle themselves if they tried?
― Evan, Monday, 15 November 2021 12:04 (two years ago) link
Idk, does it matter? Who cares?
― suggest bainne (gyac), Monday, 15 November 2021 12:14 (two years ago) link
good job the fuckwit used a taxi, not that I'd imagine there would be people queueing up for a suicide mission driving job in aid of blowing up a hospital ffs!
― calzino, Monday, 15 November 2021 14:00 (two years ago) link
Theory is the hospital wasn't the target but the driver drove to what I assume was the nearest car park, locked the doors and scarpered.
― When Smeato Met Moaty (Tom D.), Monday, 15 November 2021 14:16 (two years ago) link
ah right, in a scary af high pressure situation like that not much else he could do really
― calzino, Monday, 15 November 2021 14:19 (two years ago) link
Re evans q I assumed it wasn’t a timed detonation so much as the guy triggered it when he realised he was stuck in the car, so if he hadn’t been locked in he’d have had time to go wherever and blow himself up there
― siffleur’s mom (wins), Monday, 15 November 2021 14:20 (two years ago) link
The Torygraph sez..
The bomber, who died when his Improvised Explosive Device (IED) went off, had ordered a taxi to take him to Liverpool Women’s Hospital but well-placed sources stressed his motivation remained unclear as was his intended target.One possible theory is the bomber was intending to walk towards Liverpool’s Anglican Cathedral to detonate the device as the congregation left following a Remembrance Day service.
One possible theory is the bomber was intending to walk towards Liverpool’s Anglican Cathedral to detonate the device as the congregation left following a Remembrance Day service.
― When Smeato Met Moaty (Tom D.), Monday, 15 November 2021 14:24 (two years ago) link
If he hadn't locked the doors that could have been a very horrible situation
― calzino, Monday, 15 November 2021 14:29 (two years ago) link
Does this mean taxi drivers are good now?
― When Smeato Met Moaty (Tom D.), Monday, 15 November 2021 14:31 (two years ago) link