Terrorist attacks throughout Europe

"six different crime scenes" "several perpetrators"

it sounds horrific

This is the confirmed info atm

CONFIRMED at the moment:
*08:00 pm: several shots fired, beginning at Seitenstettengasse
*several suspects armed with rifles
*six different shooting locations
* one deceaced person, several injured (1 officer included)
*1 suspect shot and killed by police officers #0211w

— POLIZEI WIEN (@LPDWien) November 2, 2020

Lots of people (very prematurely) sharing that shooting in #Vienna is terror attack on a synagogue.
Jewish community leader below confirms synagogues were closed at time. It seems whatever has happened (and no official comment yet) may just have been in vicinity of synagogue. https://t.co/ps3c3oDg0B

— Michael Cowan (@mrmikecowan) November 2, 2020

Considering it's the jewish center of the city, I wouldn't be surprised if the attack was anti-semitic in nature.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/jan/15/salman-rushdie-on-charlie-hebdo-freedom-of-speech-can-only-be-absolute
“The French satirical tradition has always been very pointed and very harsh, and still is, you know,” Rushdie said. “The thing that I really resent is the way in which these, our dead comrades ... who died using the same implement that I use, which is a pen or pencil, have been almost immediately vilified and called racists and I don’t know what else.”

pretty cool and still relevant.

I actually don't completely agree with him philosophically about freedom/freedom of speech, but I hate the impulse people have to "yes but" the murders of writers and cartoonists. To the extent that we are talking about "freedom" of speech in the sense that no one should die for their speech, then I 100% agree that freedom is indivisible.

Calling people like Bernard Maris or Cabu racists is dumb and I find it quite vile to not see in them a desire to first caricature the extremists. I think it's important to acknowledge that someone racist can do work that isn't racist and that the opposite is true, when I was talking about the case of teacher Party, it's less about him than the entire systemic racism and islamophobia l'éducation nationale presents to their students.

The attackers struck as Austrians congregated outdoors to enjoy a final night out before the country imposes strict new measures to control the pandemic.

“You could feel a lot of people wanted to get out one more time before lockdown starts,” said Ameli Pietsch, 23, who was in the area an hour before the attack. “It was a mild evening and lots of people were outside.”

The opening pictures that we showed in our News At Ten report on the shooting in Vienna were not from tonight’s incident. We apologise for this error.

— ITV News (@itvnews) November 2, 2020

Ah yes, liberté, égalité, fraternité:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55001167

i’m sure that will have the intended effect ffs

well at least now Tristam Hunt can't decry our lack of a Macron type figure in the UK, not while Farage is still politically active.

actually on reflection the “intended effect” is to demonise muslims for electoral gain so perhaps i am judging to hastily but as gyac said on the other thread why not just vote for the full-fat FN version and be done with it

https://t.co/8ZDrtBPU3G pic.twitter.com/UyHvJqpgBy

— Fred Durst Apologist (@DurstApologist) November 20, 2020

An update re: the Paty case:

A French schoolgirl has admitted lying and fabricating a story about her teacher, who was beheaded last year after her accusations against him.

The 13-year-old pupil, whose father started a hate campaign against Samuel Paty by filing a legal complaint, says she lied to please her father, and she was not even at the class in which the teacher was alleged to have shown a caricature of the Prophet Muhammad.

The girl, who has not been identified, had originally claimed that Mr Paty had asked Muslim pupils to leave the class before he showed “a photograph of the Prophet naked” to children during a class on free speech.
Her claims led to a dramatic chain of events, including death threats against the teacher and outrage among Muslims.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/france-samuel-paty-beheading-schoolgirl-b1814372.html

This story just gets more godawful over time.

Yeah, grim stuff.

Her claims led to a dramatic chain of events, including death threats against the teacher and outrage among Muslims.

Also, a beheading!

yeah, makes it sound like the teacher had to lock his twitter down

French daily newspaper Le Parisien reported that the girl wanted to prevent her father from knowing that she had been suspended for failing to attend the lessons.

“She would not have dared to confess to her father the real reasons for her exclusion shortly before the tragedy, which was in fact linked to her bad behaviour,” according to Le Parisien.

Particularly gritty Leave it to Beaver episode

Too early to say if it's a terrorist attack, but several killed by a bow and arrow (!) in Kongsberg, Norway.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58906165

There is nothing at all in the linked report that suggests this was a terror attack, so posting it here, now, with no further info, seems unwarranted.

In the wake of the attack, Norwegian police have been ordered to temporarily carry firearms as a precaution.

oh shit

Authorities have not ruled out the possibility of a terror attack. "From the course of events, it is natural to consider whether this is an act of terrorism," Aas said.

as usual Aimless only reads his own posts

somebody has to

the linked article was updated after I posted, and those quotes after my post were among the updates, fwiw

but hey, it's fun to dunk on people regardless of chronology

first clue would be, idk, the fact that the article shows it's most recent version was published 35 minutes ago, when the original was quite obviously posted hours ago. very clearly indicating a recent update, but y'know...."dunks"

so it was "unwarranted" to post this here? I hardly think so.

Half the threads on ILE have lately turned into races to see who can dunk on another poster the fastest, so who knows. I thought it was fine to post here, especially with the caveat provided, esp because I can't think of a better, more relevant thread and starting a whole new one might not have been worth it.

I hardly think so.

Knowing your expressed opinion of me, whatever I say is not likely to cause you to reconsider. But other people read these threads, so...

Basically all that was said in the article at the time it was posted to this thread was that an assault with a bow and arrow had happened in a public place in Norway and multiple people had been killed or injured. Dan Worsley in his OP said it was "too early to say if it's a terrorist attack", yet he chose to treat it as one by selecting this thread.

I think it is not a good thing when people jump to hasty conclusions about the motives of an assault and label the act as 'terrorism' and the perpetrator a 'terrorist' when nothing in the available reporting leads to that conclusion. It just heightens fear and tension, sometimes for no reason. So, the complete lack of details at the time Dan posted (and I responded) did make his choice of thread unwarranted, in my opinion.

I have to admit I was scared to to open this thread and then I saw it was about a bow and arrow attack. So I guess that part was nice?

"yet he chose to treat it as one by selecting this thread"

I wouldn't be such a supercilious arrogant prick if I didn't have a basic understanding of how threads work on here.

Hah! I shall raise my eyebrows at you!

Here you go, let's not fall out over this one.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/15/counter-terrorism-police-take-over-inquiry-into-david-amess-killing

"Basically all that was said in the article at the time it was posted to this thread was that an assault with a bow and arrow had happened in a public place in Norway and multiple people had been killed or injured."

So basically it was totally fine to revive the thread. If it had turned out not to have been a terror attack this would've been corrected eventually.

Oops
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/18/world/europe/norway-attack.amp.html
In Norway Attack, 'Sharp Object,' Not Arrows, Killed 5, Police Say

interesting headline choice when that part seems like a simple mistake and this part seems a bit more important

The police had previously contacted Mr. Brathen, a 37-year-old Danish citizen and Muslim convert, over concerns that he had been radicalized, and the Norwegian security agency, known as PST, said soon after the attack that it appeared to be an “act of terrorism.”

But on Monday, Per Thomas Omholt, the chief of police in the Sor-Ost Police District, said of the motivation for the crime that “the initial hypothesis about conversion to Islam is weakened.”

“He has said he converted in public, but he has not lived up to this in practice,” Mr. Omholt said.

murderer: "i'm a terrorist"
police: "let's not jump to conclusions. after all, you are very white"

https://inews.co.uk/news/liverpool-womens-hospital-explosion-terror-police-lead-probe-blast-kills-one-injures-one-1300303

Bomb outside liverpool women's hospital at 10:59 on Remembrance sunday...

(bomber apparently took taxi to the hospital, the taxi driver noticed and locked him in)

The taxi driver has been released from hospital already! The only person killed was the bomber. Still, what a nerve the driver had.

Shades of Smeato.

Curious, if the taxi driver could not get far enough away before the blast to not escape injury, how would the terrorist have had any time to try to exit the vehicle themselves if they tried?

Idk, does it matter? Who cares?

good job the fuckwit used a taxi, not that I'd imagine there would be people queueing up for a suicide mission driving job in aid of blowing up a hospital ffs!

Theory is the hospital wasn't the target but the driver drove to what I assume was the nearest car park, locked the doors and scarpered.

ah right, in a scary af high pressure situation like that not much else he could do really

Re evans q I assumed it wasn’t a timed detonation so much as the guy triggered it when he realised he was stuck in the car, so if he hadn’t been locked in he’d have had time to go wherever and blow himself up there

The Torygraph sez..

The bomber, who died when his Improvised Explosive Device (IED) went off, had ordered a taxi to take him to Liverpool Women’s Hospital but well-placed sources stressed his motivation remained unclear as was his intended target.

One possible theory is the bomber was intending to walk towards Liverpool’s Anglican Cathedral to detonate the device as the congregation left following a Remembrance Day service.

If he hadn't locked the doors that could have been a very horrible situation