The BBC

process will be stitched up though surely. seems like it would be politically v hard for kieth to walk all the assembled forces back down the mountain

Have they aligned on what he has been suspended for yet?

Apart from being Jeremy Crumlin.

i suspect this is mainly about Kieth playing the strongman (incredibly stupidly) on antisemitism, and any left wing people quitting the party in frustration and disgust is just a bonus

Depending on what he has been suspended for, if they did kick him out, they might have to also kick out any member / MP supporting him or sharing a platform with him in the future, per the CST pledges that Starmer signed up to - though pledges obviously are flexible where he is concerned.

Rayner didn’t seem particularly clear on Newsnight aiui, idk what the briefing has been ahead of Marr et al today.

Starmer's done this because he lost his temper and lashed out and also because he's a control freak cop boss

i imagine they're looking for the least embarrassing way to walk this back but who knows? it's not like anything matters

Grace Dent has eventually parlayed a career from very little.

that bbc article made me feel sick

So I've had a little look and every single person they interviewed in this show is a member of For Britain, the far right political group. Jeremy Davis is organising vigilante groups full of ex squaddies who have been warned for harassing and intimidating migrants https://t.co/j0eh7ixXKk

— Low Key Mash (@terryfuck45) November 1, 2020

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54837926

Donald Trump's speech fact-checked

Does this happen domestically? Seems odd we'd devote so much time and resource to fact checking an outgoing foreign leader with a lengthy history of blatant lying while letting our local lads brief their favourite bbc stenographers on a daily basis.

I agree.

The UK PM is a corrupt pathological liar.

They do not treat this person as they do Trump.

They would be afraid to do so, even if they wanted to.

it's been doing this since May was PM although, yes, the focus has been on the us for the last few months, obv

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/reality_check

hilariously though the guy who usually reports on this stuff is called Chris Morris.

That's different, though, from the way that Trump has been reported this week, with journalists in main reports enjoying saying and writing 'The President then repeated his baseless accusation that ...'.

There is something craven about doing this now, but not doing it earlier, and not doing to the equally lying scumbags in our own country.

yep, enjoy this freak outbreak of truth, it'll be gone soon

> That's different, though, from the way that Trump has been reported this week, with journalists in main reports enjoying saying and writing 'The President then repeated his baseless accusation that ...'.

onimo doesn't mention that, just the fact checking.

also, i've been through the first 12 pages of this and can't see anything like you're referring to:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/us2020

i think they are more careful after the Naga episode.

I was shorthanding and not checking my facts tbh but I agree with the pinefox that this week has appeared different. It's like they saw CNN and MSNBC interrupt Trump's election night speech to call shenanigans on his bullshit and thought "we should do some of that, though obviously not with our guys, that would be bad form."

CNN showed the whole thing, sadly, although Cooper did call him an 'obese turtle', directly after.

considering the contorted relationship to facts evident in some US fact-checking (notably the WaPo), I'm not crying that the BBC are not using it

Fact checking as a weapon is a terrible approach for a nominally unbiased public broadcaster and I agree there's no need for it. We don't need a home grown Daniel Dale spending every waking hour going "the lying man lied again!"

However, a bit more of "presented by x as fact without evidence" might have counted as responsible journalism during Brexit/Indyref.

there was some nonsense on R4 last night that still included the bit recorded with recently convicted rapist tory MP as an example of someone with a bolshy Brit attitude. Very classy lads

There could be a weekly TV programme where a panel of experts respond to events during the week and evaluate evidence etc.

> PLAY FOR TODAY box sets is being released by the BFI

tuesday's repeat is The Black Stuff

I love that bit in The Black Stuff when the Social Security narc threatens to make a home visit on the character played by the late Michael Angelis, and he laconically replies "I'll bake a cake then". You'd get sanctioned for such lip now.

no one asked for this but the BBC announced it anyway because, much like the Rule Britannia song bullshit, this is meant to generate 1000 hours of people on TV complaining about the left. It’s meant to turn yer da an even darker shade of red. And lo, it’s already working pic.twitter.com/90HBr0Tb6a

— Dr. Strategy (car/cyclist forensics expert) (@inthesedeserts) November 19, 2020

Loads of people asked for it last year!

Worth it for this

Fuck off you little herrenvolk shite https://t.co/znPSuhkSo0

— The Pogues (@poguesofficial) November 19, 2020

oh ffs "Oliver's Army" is trending on Twitter because these gammon wankers have decided if they can't get their fix of homophobic words on the radio they'll search for racism.

(the n word has been censored in radio edits of "Oliver's Army" for years btw)

a scary song just got scarier

Can we please just have "Eat The Rich" by Motorhead as Christmas number one plz?

Worth it for this

Fuck off you little herrenvolk shite https://t.co/znPSuhkSo0
— The Pogues (@poguesofficial) November 19, 2020
― ailsa, Thursday, November 19, 2020 5:47 AM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

that's class

Small Axe: Lovers Rock is the best thing I've seen on the BBC in years

the reith lectures are frequently bad, but right now I'm in a very bad mood and want to string up Mark Carney on a gallows after hours of slow torture (as painful as his lame lecture feels like)

#1 is on markets & morals

i'm guessing he takes a different tack on this than i would

I went through a period of some kind of locked in syndrome where I felt powerless to stop myself from listening and was hating every one of his words, because I'm having a stressful day, but then I found the strength to change channels and feel much better now!

carney's a comically shit interview. the gushing presenter is like 'what was the high point of your tenure at the bank of england??' and he's like 'to be frank, i really don't think of my time there that way, my time was spent assessing leading indicators, deliberating courses of action, communicating with stakeholders'

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/02/bbc-journalists-twitter-study-reporters

Our findings on the Labour party factions confirm claims by Corbyn supporters that the former leader’s critics in the party were given inordinate attention by the BBC. This is underscored by the fact that Corbyn himself – who had by far the largest Twitter following of any MP – was followed by fewer BBC journalists than either his predecessor, Ed Miliband, then deputy leader Tom Watson, or Change UK’s leading light, Chuka Umunna.

xp

I enjoyed the Margaret MacMillan one, even though like a lot of historians her takes on modern politics are utter dross. But at least she's never such a dull corporate mediocrity as this mother!

though the idea that quant is more objective or w/e is incredibly specious its a pose that seems to hold a lot of water with people generally so imo that is a pretty good approach from mills et al in that article u posted nashwan

"since the successful repudiation of socialism, could we still learn anything from socialism" or something was one of the questions to Carney and jeez the response was violence to my ears.

since we know there is no magic money tree, is there a particular word that describes the act of asking a fatuous question with the aim of asserting its fallacious premise?

I was in a tunnel of rage - but I'm sure that was the crux of it!

since we know there is no magic money tree, is there a particular word that describes the act of asking a fatuous question with the aim of asserting its fallacious premise?

― plax (ico), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 11:29 (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

broadcast journalism

like I said when they had MacMillan on reith lectures at least she brought something to the table and I already respect her because book about the treaty of Versailles is a masterpiece, if not agreeing with her politics. But this objectionable non-entity is a waste of everyone's time, just a bang average corporate twonk with fuck all to say.

lol previous reith lectures include Grayson Perry so it can always be worse.

omg the perry lecture is the only one i have heard (ten minutes of which was enough)

lol amongst all the bbc related outrages i missed the one where they launched a covid memorial red ribbon project on fn WORLD AIDS DAY

lol they are either amazing trolls or v bad at their jobs (i suspect a combination of the two)

one of the programs they still haven't managed to fuck up yet is In Our Time, but I dread to think who will take over when the good Bragg retires. Going by how Emma Barnett getting Woman's Hour is the general direction they are going in then it will be the end of an era for me.

can we blame covid for the bbc christmas eve / day / boxing day schedules?

i'm generally a fan of animation but that seems like A LOT, and all very similar in style (and almost all things i've seen)

the two things i'm looking forward to are both on boxing day and both originated on bbc2.

Mince pies at the ready! Here’s your Christmas schedule for @BBCOne… 🥧 pic.twitter.com/fl2KZQ9hv4

— BBC One (@BBCOne) December 1, 2020