not sure where to put this, but netw3rk is leaving the ringer
some personal news! pic.twitter.com/flfHRoK9ax— ☕netw3rk (@netw3rk) October 30, 2020
― glengarry gary beers (voodoo chili), Friday, 30 October 2020 14:50 (three years ago) link
boooo
― sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Friday, 30 October 2020 15:41 (three years ago) link
somethings afoot at spotify ringer
hi! today is my last day at the ringer. it’s been a delight working with so many thoughtful and brilliant people over the last four years. i was 22 and waiting tables in kentucky when they called me - i’ll be grateful always, to the ringer and to any of you who followed along ❤️— haley o'shaughnessy (@HaleyOSomething) October 30, 2020
― lag∞n, Friday, 30 October 2020 20:26 (three years ago) link
it's not spotify. people don't like working for bill because he's an asshole
― J0rdan S., Friday, 30 October 2020 21:12 (three years ago) link
is that what's going on? losing newtork seems like a big deal
― Spottie, Friday, 30 October 2020 21:28 (three years ago) link
idk about each individual situation but from what i've heard in aggregate yeah
also the union stuff there has been a huge battle even before spotify. i'm sure it hasn't been helped by the acquisition, but it was bill vs his employees in a way that really brought a lot of the underlying issues w/ working there to the surface (again, from what i understand). it doesn't seem like any of it has been resolved really
Too many of our members have said that they struggle to cover basic living expenses from month to month, and too many of our members say that they have received little to no salary increases even as they take on more responsibilities.— Ringer Union (@RingerUnion) August 20, 2020
― J0rdan S., Friday, 30 October 2020 21:32 (three years ago) link
athletic gonna take on all these people leaving? makes the most sense. seems like their personalities might be capped a bit there vs ringer tho
― Spottie, Friday, 30 October 2020 21:37 (three years ago) link
maybe this was naive of me working for a gigantic company but i was extremely surprised at the lack of basic HR and career dev stuff at the ringer based on what the union was claiming. is it uncommon in internet media?
― call all destroyer, Friday, 30 October 2020 21:54 (three years ago) link
at start up type websites definitely not. for the ringer you could make an argument that it’s different bcuz bill has run a website before and should have also learned from the mistakes of similar type websites before him, but speaking from what i know personally, the HR/office infrastructure situations at places like pre-conde pitchfork or the fader (or gawker lol) were shoestring at best to nonexistent + actively harmful at worst. the career dev aspect is trickier and that’s a huge issue at the ringer specifically as it pertains to the divisions between writing and podcasting and video and who got the opportunities to do what, but in general when you have ppl competing for scarce opportunities and a belief that certain ppl will do better in front facing roles (i.e. being on camera) than others you run into these types of situations pretty quickly where a select few ppl seem to be elevated at the expense of their coworkers. bill is just really bad at this — his response to a reckoning this year about the lack of diversity in his podcasts was (largely) to hire a bunch of celebs like bakari sellers, raja bell, ryan shazier etc, while also giving shows/jobs to his children and relatives and then claiming that he was simply running a meritocracy.
― J0rdan S., Friday, 30 October 2020 22:04 (three years ago) link
presumably espn handled all the annoying HR stuff at bill's previous website
athletic seems to be stressing podcasting lately, but apart from that i think the era of them hiring everyone is long over
― mookieproof, Friday, 30 October 2020 22:17 (three years ago) link
network could probaly just do his own thing
― Spottie, Friday, 30 October 2020 22:36 (three years ago) link
yeah he’ll get into TV or something i’m sure
― J0rdan S., Friday, 30 October 2020 22:43 (three years ago) link
the ringer trending toward celeb podcasts is a disappointing and predictable development with the spotify purchase
― call all destroyer, Friday, 30 October 2020 23:38 (three years ago) link
btw can someone explain to me, a non-podcast listener, how this has become so huge and lucrative? like i understand rogan or whomever, i guess, but there are only so many hours in a day to listen/pay attention to hour-long sound files and their ads. idgi
― mookieproof, Saturday, 31 October 2020 01:02 (three years ago) link
is it just venture capital
― mookieproof, Saturday, 31 October 2020 01:04 (three years ago) link
podcasts are very popular and usually very cheap to produce but yeah prob just vc
― lag∞n, Saturday, 31 October 2020 01:09 (three years ago) link
it was possible until recently to do pretty well with an independent podcast that had a decent listener base using ads alone. i think reduction in commuting time this year plus some consolidation of the ad market for podcasts is changing that. my favorite basketball pod recently went from ad-supported to a subscription model, which i could see happening with a lot of pods not backed by a major company.
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 31 October 2020 01:13 (three years ago) link
Yah my pod listening is down to like one per week or two where I used to listen daily
― Spottie, Saturday, 31 October 2020 03:12 (three years ago) link
what do y'all actually pay for?
i pay for the athletic, and a non-commenting defector account, and am about to cancel my sling.tv subscription because there are no sporps
― mookieproof, Saturday, 31 October 2020 04:54 (three years ago) link
right now i pay for the athletic and the aforementioned subscription to dunc’d on. not sure i’ll stick with the athletic tbh. i like it but i don’t love it.
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 31 October 2020 12:30 (three years ago) link
I pay for Athletic, that's about it
Netwerk had the only Ringer podcast I still listened to so I'm down to zero on that front.
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Saturday, 31 October 2020 16:19 (three years ago) link
This fucking baby https://t.co/0Mdul4O0RJ pic.twitter.com/ta99MMAqeT— Barry Petchesky (@barry) November 19, 2020
― lag∞n, Thursday, 19 November 2020 16:34 (three years ago) link
Oh no, he unfollowed someone. This is so stupid.
― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 19 November 2020 17:42 (three years ago) link
its stupid but not in the way you think
― lag∞n, Thursday, 19 November 2020 17:43 (three years ago) link
he never mentions writers who left the company (like netw3rk and robert mays). they wrote gracious "thank you" posts too, but no response from him.
― Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Thursday, 19 November 2020 17:49 (three years ago) link
i mean how soon does he just drop the written/web component of the ringer and make it the celebrity podcast network that he and spotify want it to be?
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 19 November 2020 19:19 (three years ago) link
yeah
― lag∞n, Thursday, 19 November 2020 19:20 (three years ago) link
there arent enough celeb pods already huh
― Spottie, Thursday, 19 November 2020 19:22 (three years ago) link
until every celebrity has a pod our work is not done
― lag∞n, Thursday, 19 November 2020 19:36 (three years ago) link
are any of those celebrity pods actually successful?
― Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Thursday, 19 November 2020 20:06 (three years ago) link
a lot of celeb pods are huge
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 19 November 2020 20:33 (three years ago) link
he never mentions writers who left the company (like netw3rk and robert mays). they wrote gracious "thank you" posts too, but no response from him.― Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Thursday, November 19, 2020 5:49 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Thursday, November 19, 2020 5:49 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
he quit twitter when the “this isn’t open mic” story happened.
― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 19 November 2020 22:30 (three years ago) link
or doesn't talk about them on his pods, make a statement...they become persona non grata
― Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Friday, 20 November 2020 00:25 (three years ago) link
he'd kill a GM who managed personnel as sullenly as he does
― Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Friday, 20 November 2020 00:26 (three years ago) link
"I think, from people we talked to and stuff we’ve read, the shooting kind of set the tone for how the city thinks about stuff. Even, when we were at Game 3: Great crowd, they fall behind, and the whole crowd got tense. It was like, 'Oh no, something bad's gonna happen.' And I think it starts from that shooting. And it's just that mindset they have."
― Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Monday, 18 January 2021 23:59 (three years ago) link
I am happy to report that I have stopped listening to Bill Simmons' podcast. I am sorry to report that I now listen to Ryen's podcast.
― Florida Man vs. California Bill (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 19 January 2021 01:29 (three years ago) link
a lateral move
― Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Tuesday, 19 January 2021 01:42 (three years ago) link
the first step is recognizing that pods are bad
― trans-panda express (m bison), Tuesday, 19 January 2021 01:45 (three years ago) link
i, on the other hand, have just started faithfully listening to Bill's podcast in the past six months. it is full of insane and inane statements, and it makes me laugh.
― alpine static, Sunday, 23 May 2021 05:57 (two years ago) link
post some funny things he said
― lag∞n, Sunday, 23 May 2021 15:27 (two years ago) link
he isn’t even semi-coherent on basketball anymore.
― call all destroyer, Sunday, 23 May 2021 15:35 (two years ago) link
I would not listen to the bill simmons podcast and I’m only dimly aware of who he is (a man who wrote for some websites?) but I suspect I would enjoy a podcast that just makes fun of his podcast
― Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Sunday, 23 May 2021 15:37 (two years ago) link
I still dig his podcast.
― DJI, Sunday, 23 May 2021 15:41 (two years ago) link
I suspect I would enjoy a podcast that just makes fun of his podcast
this has to exist somewhere
― Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Sunday, 23 May 2021 16:06 (two years ago) link
it's this: https://www.reddit.com/r/billsimmons/
^ this also makes me laugh, it has very much evolved from a subreddit about Simmons' various media doings to a subreddit about making fun of Bill
also, xp, lagoon, Russillo makes me laugh more than Bill, and anything that made me laugh won't translate here, but for example, last night Bill couldn't pronounce Ntilikina and Ryen called him on it - even said he hears from people about Bill's inability to pronounce stuff (which i was kinda surprised he said) - and like 5 minutes later, Bill, with great timing, called him Frankie Nicotine. it was pretty funny.
his takes and theories and whatnot are just bizarre, though, no doubt about it. his basketball brain has been turned to mush by his obsession with lists and rankings and pantheons and trades and whatnot. oh, and by the millions and millions of dollars he has.
― alpine static, Monday, 24 May 2021 20:18 (two years ago) link
im willing to have my basketball acumen eroded by millions of dollars if anyone is offering
― lag∞n, Monday, 24 May 2021 20:38 (two years ago) link
rusillo frequently needles simmons over his history of saying he knows something about basketball bcuz of experience he has playing pick up basketball in college with joe house
― J0rdan S., Monday, 24 May 2021 20:51 (two years ago) link
the podcast has kinda become 2 hours of Russillo walking a tightrope between making fun of Bill and showing restraint. this is part of what's funny ... to me, at least. but i am definitely a latecomer on this.
― alpine static, Monday, 24 May 2021 21:46 (two years ago) link
i still love those two together idc.
― i was too much listening to your accent (Spottie), Monday, 24 May 2021 21:50 (two years ago) link
i switched from Bill to Ryen awhile ago due to overexposure to Bill's personality and friends. a real facebook to instagram move, sticking it to nobody. when I think about the total time spent listening to Bill talk to his Dad on the phone about Tatum settling for too many jump shots or hearing Joe House say anything, it makes me ill.
― NFT of snare on "The King of Wishful Thinking" (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 24 May 2021 22:05 (two years ago) link