good sort dude doing a bad job of hiding his dark secrets imo
― timber euros (seandalai), Friday, 30 October 2020 01:44 (three years ago) link
I found this article fascinating.
This way of understanding what it means to be a guy, the particular masculine code and set of virtues it espouses, the heroes it holds up for emulation and admiration: none of this appeared in a vacuum. All of it is deeply rooted in the past couple of decades of American history, in everything from the constant imperial wars overseas and their long-term effects to the rising gap between those with college degrees and those without. There are longer-term precedents and archetypes at play as well, and I’ll talk about them, but this all crystallized in the very recent past. It’s a genuinely 21st-century American development, and I want to explore what it means.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 6 December 2020 22:05 (three years ago) link
It was linked on the Bro Culture thread.
My question after reading it was: to what extent is this behaviour inextricable from the right-wing/conservative mindset?
― Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 6 December 2020 22:21 (three years ago) link
I didn’t buy the transition in that article that seems to be the thesis statement
“ The tactical lifestyle craze, a natural outgrowth of this particular slice of Bro Culture, is the logical endpoint of all this. ”
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 16 December 2020 14:24 (three years ago) link
I mean how is that the "logical endpoint"? It's like saying religious fundamentalism is the logical endpoint of all religion. Certainly it can go in that direction, but more often it doesn't.
What I liked in the article is that the author actually gets at what's appealing about these "bro cultures," which I don't think is touched on often enough.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 16 December 2020 14:27 (three years ago) link
I do not for one second buy the idea that this is a new phenomenon in our broader culture from the past 20 years.
For example: Zubaz happened while I was in high school
― DJP, Wednesday, 16 December 2020 14:31 (three years ago) link
The article's version of Bro Culture is closer to fascist culture than the version offered by the sillier posters on this message board, which is that fascism = anything short of open borders & the elimination of nation-states.
― All cars are bad (Euler), Thursday, 17 December 2020 11:12 (three years ago) link
I mean, you're an Islamophobe, so pretty much anything you say about any issue doesn't carry much weight with the true left of this board anyway.
― "Bi" Dong A Ban He Try (the table is the table), Thursday, 17 December 2020 15:40 (three years ago) link
I mean, you're an anti-semite, so pretty much anything you say about any issue doesn't any weight with anyone good of this board anyway.
― All cars are bad (Euler), Thursday, 17 December 2020 15:50 (three years ago) link
I was going to post something about how despite being offended by Sanpaku's "excess immigration is why labor conditions are bad for real Americans" and "the first few weeks of the pandemic proved democracy is bad" (these are paraphrases if you need that pointed out) posts I don't think he's a fascist, he's more like a nationalist authoritarian technocrat. But idk, I'm not a political theorist, is that not fascism?
― loose Orwellian mobs (rob), Thursday, 17 December 2020 16:29 (three years ago) link
I have no idea what Sanpaku posted, and I'm no political theorist either. But I think that the key to fascism is the promotion of violence as a good. Fascisms can differ on what that violence is directed against, but the idolatry of the warrior is its heart.
― All cars are bad (Euler), Thursday, 17 December 2020 16:46 (three years ago) link
I think “violence is good” implied in some of these positions but you’re right it’s not the main point.
― loose Orwellian mobs (rob), Thursday, 17 December 2020 16:50 (three years ago) link
tl;tb;dr
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, 17 December 2020 17:36 (three years ago) link
jk I actually did read it, but where he may think his conclusions are a bomb dropping, I was like, "We know, dude." We know because bros harass, belittle, condescend to, assault etc us--I can only speak as a woman but gnc and LGBTQ people could say the same. They love their code and other bros more than they love their loved ones, or justice, or intellectual rigor, or anything that doesn't align with their identities. We know.
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, 17 December 2020 17:43 (three years ago) link
it's an aesthetic and it's a thing that liberalism doesn't really have, except one that very bland people can see, i wrote not a very good essay about this in college :/
i've never seen table post anything anti-semitic, btw
― superdeep borehole (harbl), Thursday, 17 December 2020 17:53 (three years ago) link
tactical bro youtubes are the triumph of the will of our time
― All cars are bad (Euler), Thursday, December 17, 2020 9:46 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
idk you criticize ppl on this board for having too broad a definition of fascism and you offer up this... very broad definition of fascism
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 17 December 2020 17:57 (three years ago) link
it’s famously difficult to define because it’s played out so differently in history but the “fasces” i.e. bundles of sticks forming one strong weapon i think point to the animating principle which is subsumption of difference in service to a single overarching nation-state, and if you are not down with The Project then that weapon turns on you
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 17 December 2020 18:08 (three years ago) link
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, December 17, 2020 5:43 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
i didn't read much of it, but i found it very banal.
― cosmic vision | bleak epiphany | erotic email (map), Thursday, 17 December 2020 19:33 (three years ago) link
in other news....
finally, a men’s body wash.. for men. pic.twitter.com/ey8bZ0BzKP— hall of famer baseball person (@miffedtweeter) December 18, 2020
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 18 December 2020 00:23 (three years ago) link
just don't wash your ass with the stuff
― Babby's Yed Revisited (jim in vancouver), Friday, 18 December 2020 00:24 (three years ago) link
poll: are your balls...dryemptysadall of the above
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 18 December 2020 00:25 (three years ago) link
Have to say im good on all counts and even if not yknow id imagine a moisturiser that worked on any one part would prob suffice
― spruce springclean (darraghmac), Friday, 18 December 2020 00:36 (three years ago) link
The women's cosmetics and skincare industry has invested great sums and effort in persuading their customers that different body parts require special, optimized products. I assume they'd love to expand that concept to the men's bodycare market.
― Infanta Terrible (j.lu), Friday, 18 December 2020 01:22 (three years ago) link
Good luck with that, i know a fella cleans his teeth with his razor
― spruce springclean (darraghmac), Friday, 18 December 2020 01:24 (three years ago) link
Real men don't shave, they hammer in the bristles and chew 'em off inside.
― mother should I build the walmart (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 18 December 2020 01:44 (three years ago) link
xxxp WASH my ASS?!?!
― maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 18 December 2020 02:47 (three years ago) link
Euler and others have accused me of being an anti-Semite before, they can keep doing so because anyone who actually knows me knows that such accusations are insane and wrong. Believing that the state of Israel was founded on ethnic cleansing of a non-Jewish population and the institution of an apartheid state isn't anti-Semitic, it's objective reality.
― "Bi" Dong A Ban He Try (the table is the table), Friday, 18 December 2020 03:18 (three years ago) link
Men obviously need different grades of viscous tar for each part of their body that sprouts hair or otherwise defines their manliness, they are all wild and manly in different ways that need different “performance support profiles”
― cosmic vision | bleak epiphany | erotic email (map), Friday, 18 December 2020 03:23 (three years ago) link
I'm sorry but maffew's post into the table is the table's post is killing me
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 18 December 2020 03:46 (three years ago) link
It seems to me like a lot of "beard" products are just marked up versions of things you can get cheaper when they're not called "beard" -- mild soaps, oils, creams etc. I noticed one beard product had something called argan oil in it, and a shampoo/conditioner we had bought at costco came with this little free vial of argan oil, so I just started using that in my beard and it seems to kind of make it softer and make my skin under it happier, I guess. I imagine same is true with a lot of these man-grooming products. I think the trope that men don't go for stuff like that is actually a positive one, good to be economical and not fall for consumer gimmicks. Of course, if you're more into fine grooming products and self-pampering I don't think there's anything wrong with that at all, do whatever makes you happy. Certainly I have gotten more into higher quality clothing, something I once saw as "unmanly."
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 18 December 2020 04:49 (three years ago) link
I think the trope that men don't go for stuff like that is actually a positive one, good to be economical and not fall for consumer gimmicks
Awesome Audiophile Snake Oil
Shady scams and other silly business ideas to take advantage of earnest new vinyl collectors
― thousand-yard spiral stairs (f. hazel), Friday, 18 December 2020 06:05 (three years ago) link
lol yeah I actually had a thought along those lines even as I was typing but didn't finish forming it. I guess I should say *within the personal care sphere*
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 18 December 2020 06:21 (three years ago) link
The male trope is to be into *gear*
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 18 December 2020 06:22 (three years ago) link
but your face is your people stereo
― thousand-yard spiral stairs (f. hazel), Friday, 18 December 2020 06:41 (three years ago) link
beards are just subwoofers for faces
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 18 December 2020 07:50 (three years ago) link
^^^ this is actually true
― DJP, Friday, 18 December 2020 16:50 (three years ago) link
ZZ Top are the DJ Magic Mike of faces
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 18 December 2020 16:53 (three years ago) link
your poor balls... all dryempty and sad
I may be getting too Talmudic here but I think the use of the word "all" is meant to emphasize that BOTH of his balls are dry, whereas only one is empty and one (the other one) is sad
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 18 December 2020 17:42 (three years ago) link
No, you don't get it, "empty" and "sad" are my names for my dog balls
― rob, Friday, 18 December 2020 17:46 (three years ago) link
can you buy fuzzy zz-top covers for different guitar bodies?
― brimstead, Friday, 18 December 2020 18:48 (three years ago) link
i already regret making this point but isn't "emptying your balls" a masculine goal and not a cause for sadness?
― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Friday, 18 December 2020 22:24 (three years ago) link
balls must be emptied yet they must always be full
-anonymous and ancient zen master of manliness
― cosmic vision | bleak epiphany | erotic email (map), Friday, 18 December 2020 22:33 (three years ago) link
The eternal ouroboros of balls
― DJP, Friday, 18 December 2020 23:21 (three years ago) link
What is the sound of one testicle clapping?
― pomenitul, Friday, 18 December 2020 23:22 (three years ago) link
Fap
― spruce springclean (darraghmac), Friday, 18 December 2020 23:27 (three years ago) link
me and the boys after the vaccine drops pic.twitter.com/3vrHZotrkS— good and bad idiot (@focra) December 18, 2020
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 20 December 2020 18:59 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va5T077Kbro
― fbclid=fhAZ3l (f. hazel), Monday, 8 February 2021 18:09 (three years ago) link
BuzzFeed: This Is What It's Like For Men With Eating Disorders
Kyle was trying to be honest about when his body image issues started, but he also wanted to be polite. “My mom is in the room, so I don’t want to say anything offensive,” the 16-year-old California high schooler told me in an interview in January. “But I don’t know a single member of my family over 40 who hasn’t been on Weight Watchers.”Early on — at about 12 years old — Kyle became anxious about his weight. “With this history of diabetes and hereditary obesity, I was pretty certain that I needed to eat healthy,” he said. That’s when he started to jog every morning. For lunch, he had a salad without dressing every day.By 15, he was cramming hours of physical activity into each day, without eating much. “I would leave the house at about 5:50 a.m., then run to the gym, work out for an hour, go to school for eight hours. Then I would go to dance rehearsals for four hours, and not make it home until about 10 p.m.,” Kyle said. “Not only was I overtaxing my body and mind and everything, but I didn’t eat any carbs. I was vegan. Pretty much tofu and lettuce, that’s all I ate.”Kyle attributed some of his body insecurity to what he was reading and seeing in culture, notably in Harry Potter. “Teenagers are supposed to ‘shoot straight up,’ especially teenage boys. I mean, in Harry Potter, they talk about how without any work, Harry just shot up. And it made me realize a lot of my friends were that stereotypical teenage boy who had just grown 6 inches over the summer. And that wasn’t happening with me,” Kyle said. “And that was very disappointing when I was getting messages from real life and the media that my body didn't fit into any of those ideal paradigms.”Kyle’s parents noticed that he had lost a significant amount of weight rapidly, and started researching whether this could be a problem. Meanwhile, the teen thought the weight loss was evidence that he was on the right path. “I thought losing weight was just a sign of a healthy diet and exercise,” he said. So when he sat across from a panel of specialists — a doctor, a dietitian, and a psychotherapist — and was given an atypical anorexia diagnosis, he was taken aback.He was only half listening when the specialists said he had to go to the hospital. “I was like, ‘OK, that’s cool. I have a couple of tests this week. Can I go to the hospital next week or next month or something?’” No, they told him. “They said, ‘You have about an hour to pack, and we want you at the hospital by dinner.’”
Early on — at about 12 years old — Kyle became anxious about his weight. “With this history of diabetes and hereditary obesity, I was pretty certain that I needed to eat healthy,” he said. That’s when he started to jog every morning. For lunch, he had a salad without dressing every day.
By 15, he was cramming hours of physical activity into each day, without eating much. “I would leave the house at about 5:50 a.m., then run to the gym, work out for an hour, go to school for eight hours. Then I would go to dance rehearsals for four hours, and not make it home until about 10 p.m.,” Kyle said. “Not only was I overtaxing my body and mind and everything, but I didn’t eat any carbs. I was vegan. Pretty much tofu and lettuce, that’s all I ate.”
Kyle attributed some of his body insecurity to what he was reading and seeing in culture, notably in Harry Potter. “Teenagers are supposed to ‘shoot straight up,’ especially teenage boys. I mean, in Harry Potter, they talk about how without any work, Harry just shot up. And it made me realize a lot of my friends were that stereotypical teenage boy who had just grown 6 inches over the summer. And that wasn’t happening with me,” Kyle said. “And that was very disappointing when I was getting messages from real life and the media that my body didn't fit into any of those ideal paradigms.”
Kyle’s parents noticed that he had lost a significant amount of weight rapidly, and started researching whether this could be a problem. Meanwhile, the teen thought the weight loss was evidence that he was on the right path. “I thought losing weight was just a sign of a healthy diet and exercise,” he said. So when he sat across from a panel of specialists — a doctor, a dietitian, and a psychotherapist — and was given an atypical anorexia diagnosis, he was taken aback.
He was only half listening when the specialists said he had to go to the hospital. “I was like, ‘OK, that’s cool. I have a couple of tests this week. Can I go to the hospital next week or next month or something?’” No, they told him. “They said, ‘You have about an hour to pack, and we want you at the hospital by dinner.’”
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 8 February 2021 18:17 (three years ago) link
I lost 70 lbs in about a year during my freshman and sophomore years of high school, around the time that my parents first rejected my coming out as gay.
When they rejected my coming out the second time, when I was 17, I had stopped restricting calories and overexercising, but instead went headlong into the world of alcohol and drugs and other substances.
I finally came out to them successfully at the age of 23.
But all of that has left lasting problems, least of which is imagining what my life could have been like if I hadn't spent so many years in a haze of semi-closeted substance abuse.
Anyway, I'm fine with talking about all of this pretty openly, obviously.
― The return of our beloved potatoes (the table is the table), Monday, 8 February 2021 18:41 (three years ago) link