these*
― billstevejim, Sunday, 5 July 2009 16:39 (fourteen years ago) link
Okay.. I might put The Low End Theory over Bandwagonesque, but 3 out of the top 4 is not bad.
― billstevejim, Sunday, 5 July 2009 16:41 (fourteen years ago) link
no and yes. between this thread and that stones throw poll, scott seward = REAL TALK xxxpost
― Matt P, Sunday, 5 July 2009 16:42 (fourteen years ago) link
Out of everything in that list I've heard, only The Pod and Orb's Adventures.. would come close. (That Matthew Sweet album is def not better than Nevermind, nor is Mr. Hood, the least impressive Pixies album, Blue Lines, or any Morbid Angel LP.)
― billstevejim, Sunday, 5 July 2009 16:49 (fourteen years ago) link
billstevejim you struck me as potentially a big Jesus Lizard fan but I guess not!
― Matt P, Sunday, 5 July 2009 16:50 (fourteen years ago) link
and the talk talk is like better than all three in this poll combined
― Matt P, Sunday, 5 July 2009 16:51 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm into Jesus Lizard, but I've only heard 3 songs from that album, and all of Liar.. Not especially into that Talk Talk album.. I've tried many times.
― billstevejim, Sunday, 5 July 2009 16:53 (fourteen years ago) link
"Nevermind"
"Grand Prix" >>>> "Nevermind" though.
― Geir Hongro, Sunday, 5 July 2009 17:13 (fourteen years ago) link
ILM must have changed a lot for this not to be obvious
― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Sunday, 5 July 2009 17:39 (fourteen years ago) link
i'm not saying that's a good or bad thing BTW
― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Sunday, 5 July 2009 17:41 (fourteen years ago) link
I assume you mean it will be Loveless? It's funny; when I first thought of the poll, it was going to be only Bandwagonesque v. Nevermind, because I remember people complaining about and/or laughing at SPIN Magazine for making Bandwagonesque -- instead of Nevermind -- their No. 1 album of 1991. But as I was putting the poll together, I read that article from Stylus (RIP), in which the author was all worked up that Bandwagonesque topped both Nevermind and Loveless. At that point, I remembered, "Hey, Loveless was from 1991!," and figured it would have to one of the choices. As I say, maybe Laughing Stock should have been a choice, too.
I'm just pointing out that it seems to me that Loveless (and Laughing Stock) came into its current status over a longer period of time.
― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 5 July 2009 17:46 (fourteen years ago) link
surely screamadelica should be included in this as well.
― alex in mainhattan, Sunday, 5 July 2009 17:58 (fourteen years ago) link
btw i voted bandwagonesque. as it took me such a long time to realise it's geniuzs. in the beginning i found it a bland and boring indie pop album.
― alex in mainhattan, Sunday, 5 July 2009 18:00 (fourteen years ago) link
how old you were in 1991 (and maybe whether you're a yank or britishish) will probably determine things here. big points to nevermind for being partially recorded in wisconsin. there are still stories in madison about a broke kurt and co hitting the bars around the capitol square
― kamerad, Sunday, 5 July 2009 18:07 (fourteen years ago) link
I was in my early 20s in 1991. Nevermind felt like it detonated over the music landscape. I still love it (and Loveless, too), but I seek out Bandwagonesque much more often. And it has my vote.
― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 5 July 2009 18:08 (fourteen years ago) link
^ OTM
― john. a resident of chicago., Sunday, 5 July 2009 18:29 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjT58fvDpVk
― billstevejim, Sunday, 5 July 2009 18:36 (fourteen years ago) link
23 y/o at the time these came out. Didn't like Nevermind much then (kept getting into arguments at work about whether to play an advance copy of that or Galaxie 500) and can't imagine listening to it now except for research. The massive success of that album still strikes me as a huge historical mistake, on par with the lionization of Daydream Nation.
Might listen to Loveless for fun, but again I've always prefered Isn't Anything and still don't get what the Loveless fuss was all about.
Might listen to Bandwagonesque for light fun, and it was awfully catchy at the time...probably my favorite of the three in '91. I still think Spin got it right.
Today I look at that list and Talk Talk jumps out as the album I actually play because I want to hear it, with Swans and Pixies trailing slightly behind.
Personally speaking, the arrival of Chickfactor the next year was a much more significant event than any of these.
― dlp9001, Sunday, 5 July 2009 19:03 (fourteen years ago) link
I was 17 in 1991 - "Nevermind" definitely felt like a massive sea change to me at the time. After interminable 80's hair bands, generic indie, and rave/dance music, it was like someone had swept the chicken carcasses from the banqueting table. After losing a lot of interest in music between '89 and '91, Nirvana's album was one of the things that got me right back into it. I won't vote for it though. As the Tiny Mix Tapes review at the top of the thread mentions, it's badly sequenced on side two and just drags. OTOH I won't be voting for TFC, because "Grand Prix" >>>>>>> "Bandwagonesque". I'm not familiar enough with MBV to vote for "Loveless" either. So I guess that makes me an I-hate-fun-me curmudgeon, or perhaps someone who's just knocked out that I'm now more that twice the age I was when these albums came out.
― snoball, Sunday, 5 July 2009 19:18 (fourteen years ago) link
do you ever think some ppl are fronting with this whole OMG WEEN/BOLT THROWER/COWS IS BETTER THAN NEVERMIND shit nowadays?
― making plans for nagl (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 5 July 2009 19:24 (fourteen years ago) link
yup absolutely
― Kevin John Bozelka, Sunday, 5 July 2009 19:24 (fourteen years ago) link
i think loveless is probably the "best" of the 3 albums in the poll -- inventive, influential, thoroughly conceived and executed, etc. nevermind is undoubtedly the one i've listened to most, cumulatively, although if you limit it to the last 10 years it's probably a close call. bandwagonesque is nice but there's plenty of latter-day power-pop i like more.
― us_odd_bunny_lady (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 5 July 2009 19:25 (fourteen years ago) link
I voted Loveless without hesitation; the only '91 album that comes close to it is Julian Cope's Peggy Suicide.
Nirvana was important to me culturally - it made the freaks, weirdos and music geeks temporarily cool. I think Bleach and In Utero are both better than Nevermind, as is Incesticide. The last may just be a compilation, but it is sequenced better than Nevermind.
― EZ Snappin, Sunday, 5 July 2009 19:41 (fourteen years ago) link
actually no, and I think it's because how you feel about nevermind probably correlates heavily (with notable exceptions amongst the oldsters) along age lines. I think it had a massive impact on people who were in college and that it seemed like a terrific-not-timeless record to people who were a few years older. Exceptions aplenty amongst then-greying-now-greyer critics, I'm sure The Gun Club's Divinity did a lot more for me in '91 than Nevermind did, and so did the Swans & Death albums on Scott's list upthread. if it's challops to honestly report one's listening habits instead of saying "I TOO WAS THERE AND FELT THE LOVE" then I dunno, but then and since, it's been for me a fine album about which I don't really care and which I don't expect to ever listen to again. unlike mental funeral, which I still listen to at least once a month, because I enjoy it more.
― worm? lol (J0hn D.), Sunday, 5 July 2009 19:50 (fourteen years ago) link
^^^ Yeah. Bought Nevermind and Steady Diet of Nothing on the same day, played Nevermind pretty solidly for 3 months, got bored and ended up preferring Steady Diet. At least in the UK Nevermind wasn't this brain-sweeping force that cleared everything around it, it was just a really good album that got kinda inexplicably popular.
― Big Babby JeezHOOS (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 5 July 2009 19:54 (fourteen years ago) link
despite never having heard Nevermind or Bandwagonesque all the way through in one sitting, I can confidently state that this poll would be a lot more evenly-balanced without a certain Irish colossus decimating the opposition
― lynndie englisher (country matters), Sunday, 5 July 2009 20:12 (fourteen years ago) link
Shields isn't that fat.
― Big Babby JeezHOOS (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 5 July 2009 20:15 (fourteen years ago) link
Louis means that he's thinking of how much better Yeats is than any of these guys
― worm? lol (J0hn D.), Sunday, 5 July 2009 20:38 (fourteen years ago) link
He's talking about The Importance of Being Earnest, John.
― My name is Kenny! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 5 July 2009 20:38 (fourteen years ago) link
A dreaded sunny day So let's go where we're wanted And I meet you at the cemetry gates Keats and Yeats are on your side But you lose 'Cause weird lover Wilde is on mine
― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 5 July 2009 20:42 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/n0/n922.jpg
^^^Wilde's much more talented uncle
― lynndie englisher (country matters), Sunday, 5 July 2009 20:45 (fourteen years ago) link
louis doin the lit equivalent of what whiney was accusing cats of upthread
― worm? lol (J0hn D.), Sunday, 5 July 2009 20:48 (fourteen years ago) link
Can't front, MTW is pretty damn anti-Catholic.
― lynndie englisher (country matters), Sunday, 5 July 2009 20:51 (fourteen years ago) link
Too bad it's hellaciously exciting!
― lynndie englisher (country matters), Sunday, 5 July 2009 20:52 (fourteen years ago) link
"anyway, loveless wins cuz i like it. and i've never heard the other ones. (well, i've heard nirvana. just not the whole album.)"
Scott, I think we were separated at birth.
And yeah, Goat by Jesus Lizard destroys any of the above. (props to Warmaster as well).
― Nate Carson, Sunday, 5 July 2009 20:55 (fourteen years ago) link
1991 albums better than nevermind
The Electric Eels – God Says Fuck You (Homestead)Kix – Hot Wire (Atlantic)Amy Grant – Heart In Motion (A&M)Malidita Vecindad Y Los Hijos Del 5 Patio – El Circo (Ariola Mexico)Corina – Corina (Cutting)Bang Tango – Dancin’ On Coals (Mechanic/MCA)Sandee – Only Time Will Tell (Fever/Ral/Columbia)Mylene Farmer – L’Autre (Polygram France)Anacrusis – Manic Impressions (Metal Blade)Gazebo – I Like Chopin (Alex)Mecano – Aidalai (BMG U.S. Latin)Mano Negra – Amerika Perdida (Virgin France)Lisa M – Flavor Of The Latin (Sony Discos)L’Trimm – Groovy (Atlantic)Fobia – Mundo Feliz (Ariola Mexico)Cypress Hill – Cypress Hill (Ruffhouse/Columbia)The Nomads – Sonically Speaking (Sonet)The Neon Judgement – Are You Real (Play It Again Sam)Les Negresses Vertes – Famille Nombreuse (Delabel)Michael Jackson – Dangerous (Epic)Kik Tracee – No Rules (RCA)The KLF – The White Room (Arista)Los Prisioneros – Grandes Exitos (Capitol/EMI Latin)The Kentucky Headhunters – Electric Barnyard (Mercury)Junkyard – Sixes, Sevens & Nines (Geffen)I Start Counting – Catalogue (Mute)Guns N Roses – Use Your Illusion II (Geffen)Guns N Roses – Use Your Illusion I (Geffen)Daddy Freddy – Stress (Chrysalis)
― xhuxk, Sunday, 5 July 2009 20:59 (fourteen years ago) link
yerself is steam was almost as 'revolutionary' and certainly as good as loveless fwiw
― lynndie englisher (country matters), Sunday, 5 July 2009 21:01 (fourteen years ago) link
I can definitely see an Anacrusis vs Nirvana thread blooming... ;)
― Nate Carson, Sunday, 5 July 2009 21:07 (fourteen years ago) link
Amy Grant – Heart In Motion (A&M)
Xhuxk we don't see eye to eye on everything but I'm with you here
― worm? lol (J0hn D.), Sunday, 5 July 2009 21:13 (fourteen years ago) link
Did we ever discuss Heart in Motion, J0hn? I have a feeling we did.
― My name is Kenny! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 5 July 2009 21:15 (fourteen years ago) link
I was never convinced that Nevermind was the best record of 1991 until I saw all these lists. I mean, I'm pretty fond of Blue Lines and I've had a lot of fun with some of the others, but it's not even close.
― Ismael Klata, Sunday, 5 July 2009 21:21 (fourteen years ago) link
Actually, I reckon Woodface was 1991, and it at least makes me pause
― Ismael Klata, Sunday, 5 July 2009 21:22 (fourteen years ago) link
"do you ever think some ppl are fronting with this whole OMG WEEN/BOLT THROWER/COWS IS BETTER THAN NEVERMIND shit nowadays?"
i felt the same way back then though. in 1991, i liked all the stuff on my list better than the stuff i heard on nevermind. i'm just old though. nirvana wasn't a "sea change" for me and they weren't saving me from anything. i listened to tons of cool stuff before they put out a record and after. doesn't mean i think they suck or anything. those are catchy songs! but the one and only time i ever got excited by nevermind was for a brief second when i first heard it at a party and thought it was a new squirrel bait album. then someone told me, no, it was nirvana. and then i thought, well, at least they are squirrel bait fans!
― scott seward, Sunday, 5 July 2009 22:05 (fourteen years ago) link
Eh, Nirvana - Nevermind > Amy Grant - Lead Me On > Amy Grant - Heart In Motion. Lead Me On has at least half a dozen great songs on it, Heart In Motion has "Every Heartbeat" and, uh, a bunch of other songs.
― Chubby Checker Psycho (Pancakes Hackman), Sunday, 5 July 2009 22:07 (fourteen years ago) link
When I was 16 it was Nevermind for me all the way. Hadn't heard Loveless until years after that, and while it has its mindblowing parts, but that time I was also getting into Flying Saucer Attack and Spacemen 3 and JAMC, etc. so the for me shoegaze thing was about appreciating all these different approaches rather than one monumental album. Around that time I went back to Nevermind by downloading tabs and learning the songs. I read the lyrics to the songs for the first time and it made me appreciate Kurt's songwriting even more than I did originally.
― Adam Bruneau, Sunday, 5 July 2009 22:08 (fourteen years ago) link
Are there any threads discussing Landmark Albums you thought were just okay because you weren't the right age? Scott's response to Nevermind reminds me of how I acted when Kid A came out.
― My name is Kenny! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 5 July 2009 22:08 (fourteen years ago) link
Heart In Motion has "Every Heartbeat" and, uh, a bunch of other songs.
"Good For Me!" "I Will Remember You"! "Baby Baby"! "Hats"!
― My name is Kenny! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 5 July 2009 22:09 (fourteen years ago) link
Trompe Le Monde is insanely better than most of the records that came out in 1991 or since for that matter.
― Adam Bruneau, Sunday, 5 July 2009 22:09 (fourteen years ago) link
my brother played me pod by ween when it came out and it blew me away!!! i was really stoned though. that helped. but it excited me and made me laugh and was a memorable listen. i probably haven't heard it since, but that was a memorable moment! i haven't listened to blue lines in years either, but i thought it was great back then. and profound in some new way. though nothing can probably surpass how i felt when i brought the safe from harm twelve inch home and playing it for the first time. before the album came out. that actually did feel like some sort of sea change. in retrospect, it didn't lead to much except maybe some cool portishead singles, but i didn't have to care about that then.
― scott seward, Sunday, 5 July 2009 22:11 (fourteen years ago) link
i'm just old though. nirvana wasn't a "sea change" for me and they weren't saving me from anything. i listened to tons of cool stuff before they put out a record and after. doesn't mean i think they suck or anything. those are catchy songs!
Yeah, they're pretty good. I like the album, love "Teen Spirit," always have. But if you'd been listening to loud weird noisy indie guitar bands since at least, say, the first Flipper album or Butthole Surfers EP, it was honestly not that big a deal. Even the pretty pop-melody part of just seemed like something Husker Du/Replacements/Squirrel Bait/Soul Asylum/ Dinosaur Jr/etc. had been doing for the previous seven or so years. Refined, maybe. But refinement isn't the same thing as a sea change.
― xhuxk, Sunday, 5 July 2009 22:16 (fourteen years ago) link
the poll should be bandwagonesque vs. loveless vs. seamonsters. nevermind is not only from a different continent but it also ha a totally different vibe. and speed of course. as an american poll there could be nevermind vs. gish vs. goat. and i would go probably for the wonderful tripping hard rock of <a href="http://musik.antville.org/stories/993832">gish</a>.
― alex in mainhattan, Monday, 13 July 2009 19:21 (fourteen years ago) link
will i ever those ilx tags?
― alex in mainhattan, Monday, 13 July 2009 19:25 (fourteen years ago) link
will i ever learn i meant, sorry.
― alex in mainhattan, Monday, 13 July 2009 19:26 (fourteen years ago) link
Ooh, one hour to go! Exciting!
― Mark G, Monday, 13 July 2009 21:40 (fourteen years ago) link
voted Nevermind, MJ's death has made me re-examine my roots
― sonderangerbot, Monday, 13 July 2009 21:45 (fourteen years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Monday, 13 July 2009 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link
i have learned from all this that all three album titles are compound words, and the one with the least letters won
― kamerad, Monday, 13 July 2009 23:15 (fourteen years ago) link
Hm. After having my expectations shaped by reading the thread, I was surprised by two things in the results: (a) it was closer than expected between Loveless and Nevermind (74 votes to 72 votes) and (b) Bandwagonesque did okay (36 votes).
― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 14 July 2009 00:01 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, I was going to say - the order is exactly what I was expecting, but I was expecting Loveless to run way out in front, and was expecting Bandwagonesque to maybe languish in the teens. I'm glad all three were repped reasonably strongly.
― Sean Carruthers, Tuesday, 14 July 2009 00:17 (fourteen years ago) link
as they should since all 3 are amazing
― billstevejim, Friday, 17 July 2009 06:07 (fourteen years ago) link
1991 albums better than nevermind:* * * *coil - love's secret domain* * * *― scott seward, Saturday, July 4, 2009__________________________________love's secret domain was so goddamn great― worm? lol (J0hn D.), Saturday, July 4, 2009
* * * *
coil - love's secret domain
― scott seward, Saturday, July 4, 2009
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love's secret domain was so goddamn great
― worm? lol (J0hn D.), Saturday, July 4, 2009
the album stream on youtube is making a convincing argument for this album.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DewJHJlYOIU
can't find it for sale on itunes, bandcamp, or boomkat. obscure!
― Daniel, Esq 2, Saturday, 15 February 2014 23:57 (ten years ago) link
Yeah it's out of print, sadly. Saw it for $500+ on Amazon!
Classic album though!
― iFrankenstein (latebloomer), Sunday, 16 February 2014 06:44 (ten years ago) link
Bandwagonesque is the only album that doesn't sound dated to me 23-years-hence. Nirvana were never as good as their buzz and Loveless (Tremolo and Isn't Anything were far superior) was never as good as the ideals of the critics.
Fanclub's album is the only one of these that i might listen to when i turn 80, if only for it making me feel young.
Also, add Peggy Suicide (Julian Cope) and anything that Levitation put out in '91 for trix more involving than anything Nevermind had to offer (save, "Where Did You Sleep Last Nite", which is one of the smartest covers ever).
― bodacious ignoramus, Sunday, 16 February 2014 09:13 (ten years ago) link
100% OTM. this album makes me feel young.
― Daniel, Esq 2, Monday, 17 February 2014 00:14 (ten years ago) link
mon frere
― bodacious ignoramus, Monday, 17 February 2014 08:29 (ten years ago) link
gonna pop a bag of chicarrones and dig into this mighty thread. I do not get bandwagonsque at all, apart from the last track. Why did they waste the best hook on an instrumental!?!
― brimstead, Wednesday, 4 May 2022 23:59 (one year ago) link
talk talk - laughing stock
This is a work of genius. However, comparing it to Nevermind is like comparing apples and giraffes.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 5 May 2022 00:02 (one year ago) link
comparing these albums is unfair, but if you could only keep one band's catalog (and the other two disappear from existence), ya gotta go w/ TFC
― alpine static, Thursday, 5 May 2022 00:10 (one year ago) link
talk talk - laughing stockehbathory - twilight of the godsIs this their Viking stuff? No thanksslowdive - just for a daythis is finejesus lizard - goatdude’s voice = noslint - spiderlanddude’s voice = noparadise lost - gothiclol nomercury rev - yerself is steamdude’s voice = nothe field mice - for keepssome of this is amazing but some of it is terriblecows - cunning stuntshaven’t heardneil young - arcfuck yescoil - love's secret domainI am too lame to enjoy Coil but I love the idea of them or whateverween - the podsounded great when I was 21 and trippinmassive attack - blue linesnot a massive attack fan
― brimstead, Thursday, 5 May 2022 00:22 (one year ago) link
the rest of those albums are pretty good to great. sorry for all that.. eeesh
― brimstead, Thursday, 5 May 2022 00:25 (one year ago) link
I really hope you lot are all confusing Arc with Weld.
― Mr. Snrub, Monday, 9 May 2022 08:19 (one year ago) link