I like Louise Gluck but was surprised by her win. I had no idea she was this esteemed.
― treeship., Wednesday, 28 October 2020 10:38 (three years ago) link
xpost I love Louise Erdrich! I really ought to read her latest, The Night Watchman. I convinced my church book club to read Future Home of the Living God with me early in the pandemic, and it was such a powerful experience to revisit Cedar and her family under these circumstances in the company of other intelligent and kind and terrified people.
― handsome boy modelling software (bernard snowy), Thursday, 29 October 2020 14:53 (three years ago) link
Yes, she's so great, and imho, as good a stylist and storyteller as they come.
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Thursday, 29 October 2020 19:41 (three years ago) link
Article on prizes and poetry which makes some points that reinforce what I was saying about Gluck's role as judge. Turns out that a lot of this is doing favors for people! Who would have thought.
http://asapjournal.com/on-poets-and-prizes-juliana-spahr-and-stephanie-young/
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Saturday, 14 November 2020 12:33 (three years ago) link
This piece (The Wasteland 100 years on) is not something I care to finish but it starts with Dylan as a literary figure argument (or a version of it). I've not read Ricks' book or anything like that on Dylan.
One hundred years ago literary modernism had its breakthrough success when Boni & Liveright published T.S. Eliot's poem THE WASTE LAND in a commercial edition, with Notes. I wrote about how it happened--and what happened after--for @PoetryFound.https://t.co/Dx3eZlrG8u— Ryan Ruby (@_ryanruby_) December 12, 2022
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 13 December 2022 12:01 (one year ago) link
Looking forward to reading the piece on Eliot, thanks!
― Goose Bigelow, Fowl Gigolo (the table is the table), Tuesday, 13 December 2022 12:32 (one year ago) link
This @_ryanruby_ piece on The Waste Land's centenary is superb, & in its range, variety, attention and bridging of then and now also an implicit defence of literary criticism. (Thanks to @chrisbrooke for drawing my attention to it.) Some thoughts…https://t.co/LGcd7ilK5R— James B (@piercepenniless) December 18, 2022
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 18 December 2022 21:29 (one year ago) link
That's a really great essay. Have been thinking about it on and off since I read it when it was first linked here (Table, maybe?).
― Shard-borne Beatles with their drowsy hums (Chinaski), Monday, 19 December 2022 21:38 (one year ago) link
I saw a novel by Conde while browsing and learned of the existence of the Alternative Nobel.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Academy_Prize_in_Literature
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 28 February 2023 14:31 (one year ago) link
Lol @ Rowling among the list of names being put forward.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 28 February 2023 14:32 (one year ago) link
Kissinger, Peace Prize, etc
― satori enabler (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 28 February 2023 14:45 (one year ago) link
happy for all the men on my timeline reveling in their delight that Jon Fosse has won the Nobel— Morgan Giles モーガン・ジャイルズ (@wrongsreversed) October 5, 2023
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 5 October 2023 11:20 (seven months ago) link
Yes, it’s like all men have won the Nobel prize today
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Thursday, 5 October 2023 12:16 (seven months ago) link
I am personally, since I've finally read all the novels of a winner before the announcement
― abcfsk, Thursday, 5 October 2023 12:33 (seven months ago) link
Very deserved imo!
Quite a good essay on Fosse:
https://hopscotchtranslation.com/2022/09/26/septology-and-its-simplistic-complexity/
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 5 October 2023 12:55 (seven months ago) link
The Septology is indeed great but if reading a seven-part epic is daunting to new readers the happy news is some of his best novels are his shortest, sometimes sub 100 pages - like Aliss by the Fire and Morning and Evening.
― abcfsk, Thursday, 5 October 2023 13:30 (seven months ago) link
I haven't read a comma of Fosse. Where do I start -- The Septology? I'd prefer a shorter novel.
― hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 October 2023 14:03 (seven months ago) link
abcfsk has recommended a short novel..
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 5 October 2023 14:31 (seven months ago) link
Lol
why does jon fosse write like ralph wiggum telling a story. like “there was light and it was shining but also dark and also invisible and i saw something but also i wasn’t really seeing it because it saw me and i looked at the picture and something was trapped in the picture and”— katie kadue (@kukukadoo) June 8, 2023
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 5 October 2023 14:42 (seven months ago) link
Sorry, abcfsk, missed your post. Thanks!
― hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 October 2023 14:56 (seven months ago) link
Xyzz, are you suggesting that sleep is where Fosse is a viking?
― The Royal House of Hangover (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 5 October 2023 17:06 (seven months ago) link
No, he’s a Viking in Norway
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Thursday, 5 October 2023 17:15 (seven months ago) link
So does that mean he's good at being in Norway, or does he merely dream about Norway?
― The Royal House of Hangover (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 5 October 2023 17:31 (seven months ago) link
(Alfred Nobel, also a famous Viking of course)
― The Royal House of Hangover (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 5 October 2023 17:32 (seven months ago) link
I'll try one of his short ones but idk it does sound the accrual of simpleton repetition over a long period of time is what gives whatever Fosse does it's power over the reader (besides being a Viking)
I've never tried him bcz the passages I have seen on twitter are very annoying.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 5 October 2023 17:38 (seven months ago) link
His style is particular and instantly recognisable across novels (in his plays too, but in slightly different ways) - but as you read them, your attention is very quickly turned towards the tender sweetness at the core of all his character portrayals. The style simply supports that.
― abcfsk, Thursday, 5 October 2023 17:43 (seven months ago) link
septology sounds very much like my shit, looking forward to a copy arriving.
― ꙮ (map), Friday, 6 October 2023 21:10 (seven months ago) link
Tarjei Vesaas wuz robbed.
― I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Friday, 6 October 2023 21:25 (seven months ago) link
And (among the living) Dag Solstad!
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 7 October 2023 10:25 (seven months ago) link
My mate was highly recommending Fosse to me a year ago and I coulda finally been ahead of the trend! Anyways, just started septology and I know I am really going to like this
― H.P, Sunday, 8 October 2023 07:47 (seven months ago) link
'll try one of his short ones but idk it does sound the accrual of simpleton repetition over a long period of time is what gives whatever Fosse does it's power over the reader (besides being a Viking)I've never tried him bcz the passages I have seen on twitter are very annoying.― xyzzzz__... but as you read them, your attention is very quickly turned towards the tender sweetness at the core of all his character portrayals. The style simply supports that.
― xyzzzz__
... but as you read them, your attention is very quickly turned towards the tender sweetness at the core of all his character portrayals. The style simply supports that.
― dow, Sunday, 8 October 2023 21:07 (seven months ago) link
yeah tbh since the award went to Dylan i kind of believe it’s impossible to take the prize seriously at all
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Sunday, 8 October 2023 22:48 (seven months ago) link
Jon Fosse's Septology is presented as three audiobooks, Parts I-II, III-V, Vi-VII - The Other Name, I Is Another, and A New Name. They don’t seem that daunting to me from a time point of view, but from what I’ve read they are very experimental novels, a single sentence of stream-of-consciousness narration. I like the concept of slow prose - the copying out, recombining, substituting this word for that, and rephrasing that clarifies ideas
He and Can Xue were the two writers who were thought to be most likely to win this year's award, so it's not a surprise
― Dan S, Monday, 9 October 2023 00:01 (seven months ago) link
still holding out for Murnane. doubt he gets it, a shame really
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Monday, 9 October 2023 01:02 (seven months ago) link
since the award went to Dylan i kind of believe it’s impossible to take the prize seriously at all
things you have learned from Bob Dylan
― difficult listening hour, Monday, 9 October 2023 03:05 (seven months ago) link
xp I wouldn't call them experimental novels exactly, since that often connotes something difficult, challenging, not about regular storytelling. His style is different and it sounds weird to not have full stops at first but it does not make the novels fundamentally different reading experiences. They are not difficult reads, they deal with people and their emotions in a relatively straightforward way. The style, if anything, makes an attempt at capturing inner monologues more truthfully, more everyday-like, less formally.
― abcfsk, Monday, 9 October 2023 08:36 (seven months ago) link
Pretty out of character for you to have taken it seriously before, table!
It is a good way to make authors from countries that don't get much exposure more popular tho, was a huge deal when Saramago got it.
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 9 October 2023 08:49 (seven months ago) link
Yeah it's really not difficult reading at all. The comparisons to Knausagaard are obvious and already made a 100x times, but from what I've read so far there its really operating on a similar level, minus full-stops and autobiography (afaik)
― H.P, Monday, 9 October 2023 08:54 (seven months ago) link
The Nobel prize has been awarded to writers from Africa, Asia, Latin America. It's mostly Europe but still it's been important.
There have been some howlers like any prize and in the last few years it has been mostly easy to predict. Fosse and Ernaux in line with the betting. Michon or Wrinkler would've been more baffling white male Europeans. Want to see media incomprehension.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 9 October 2023 08:57 (seven months ago) link
_since the award went to Dylan i kind of believe it’s impossible to take the prize seriously at all_things you have learned from Bob Dylan🕸
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Monday, 9 October 2023 13:56 (seven months ago) link
those who learn nothing from dylan are fated to repeat him
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 9 October 2023 13:59 (seven months ago) link
like a rolling stone, perhaps
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Monday, 9 October 2023 14:01 (seven months ago) link
okay, i am being hyperbolic— i just don’t think he deserved the Nobel, nor do I think he deserves a great majority of the praise he receives. it reads to me as Boomer self-mythologizing, and i am absolutely done with it.
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Monday, 9 October 2023 14:03 (seven months ago) link
He is one of Jann Webber’s Masters, which is a bigger deal than the Nobel
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Monday, 9 October 2023 14:30 (seven months ago) link
table fwiw though I love Dylan I totally agree with you - one becayse I think songwriting is a different artform and two because as I see it the only utility of the Nobel is in honouring ppl who haven't gotten as much fame as they deserve and Dylan is obviously not that
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 9 October 2023 14:34 (seven months ago) link
Dylan should get a different Nobel every year
― Ward Fowler, Monday, 9 October 2023 15:03 (seven months ago) link
Sure why not
― insert nothing here (Eric H.), Monday, 9 October 2023 15:03 (seven months ago) link
Well I, see you got yourBrand new Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred NobelYes I, see you got yourBrand new Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred NobelWell, you must tell me, baby how yourHead feels under somethin' that swellUnder your brand new Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Monday, 9 October 2023 15:08 (seven months ago) link
Seriously tho, big co-sign with tabes on Dylan, tho I'd probably be a lot more forgiving of the Boomer self-mythologizing if his compositions were even remotely sophisticated, musically speaking
― insert nothing here (Eric H.), Monday, 9 October 2023 15:08 (seven months ago) link