What are Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Flaws?

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Any US concern about not knowing the result of an election on Election Night is extra-baffling when said results do not even take effect for another QUARTER OF A YEAR afterward

Un-fooled and placid (sic), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 17:32 (three years ago) link

only 1 republican presidential term (2005-09 bush) has been legit in the last 28 years

nb that even though this was an actual popular vote win, it's fine to not consider the reelection of an illegitimate president who started a fake war for votes to be a legit term

Un-fooled and placid (sic), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 17:34 (three years ago) link

Any US concern about not knowing the result of an election on Election Night is extra-baffling when said results do not even take effect for another QUARTER OF A YEAR afterward

^^^^^^

Change Display Name: (stevie), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 18:00 (three years ago) link

surely the framers envisioned a network call by 11pm EST

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 18:02 (three years ago) link

What's so baffling about it? They're trying to engineer a Trump win out of nothing.

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 18:24 (three years ago) link

the race to call predates Trump

Un-fooled and placid (sic), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 20:47 (three years ago) link

(and is not exclusive to the US - indeed, part of the bafflement is that the US' self-regard for its democratic process does not boast that the quarter-year gap allows for confidence in a measured and reviewed count)

Un-fooled and placid (sic), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 20:49 (three years ago) link

mostly, because the election is a TV show and the TV people want to have a ending before they go off the air

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 20:54 (three years ago) link

most states don't even certify results for a few weeks--this is the judicial equivalent of expecting a 30 minute pizza delivery

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 20:55 (three years ago) link

it definitely won't be the time to risk running a progressive, amirite?

if a progressive decides to run and has the kind of juice it takes to run a national campaign, voters will see their name on a ballot and have every opportunity to mark that name. if the voters are too timid and fearful to seek a change, there's no easy remedy for that.

The DNC doesn't determine everything for us unless we let it. We can organize and throw what weight we've got behind a progressive. Look how much control the RNC had when Jeb was their guy and Trump brushed him aside.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 20:59 (three years ago) link

drag 'em sis

.@AOC on the New York Times’s bombshell investigation of Trump’s taxes: https://t.co/xAbI0YRPca pic.twitter.com/zht1EH9ztA

— VANITY FAIR (@VanityFair) October 28, 2020

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 17:38 (three years ago) link

She is an inspiration

shout-out to his family (DJP), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 19:05 (three years ago) link

she brings meaning to my life

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 19:06 (three years ago) link

otm, she really is a revelation

how she explained the whole fundraising ladder that first-term congresspeople are expected to start climbing was so mindblowing to me - just explaining 'this is what the job is and why it's so compromised' from the get-go. who does that? only the illest.

Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 19:14 (three years ago) link

I mean the fact that she really is a working-class person who was able to seize on a good opportunity rather than someone whose entire life goal is a cushy 50-year political career is a big difference here

frogbs, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 19:16 (three years ago) link

we need 60 like her in the senate and 250+ more like her in the House

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 19:28 (three years ago) link

New reporting on the AOC-Yoho incident: The day after Rep. Ted Yoho harassed Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez with his disgusting, vulgar tirade, @AOC approached Yoho and told him, "You do that to me again, I won't be so nice next time."https://t.co/BXck5vpLdt

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) October 28, 2020

wheeeew

frogbs, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 19:46 (three years ago) link

she then told him I'LL PUT TRADEMARKS ON YOUR EYELIDS

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 19:49 (three years ago) link

ya just got PULVERIZED ya Yoho! *AIRHORN*

just another 3-pinnochio post by (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 20:03 (three years ago) link

A couple of other passages from that profile that resonated with me:

Neither the financial collapse nor the fundamentally broken health care system were abstracts for Ocasio-Cortez, a vocal supporter of Medicare for All and a persistent critic of the Affordable Care Act. “The main reason why I feel comfortable saying that the ACA has failed is because it failed me and it failed everyone that I worked with in a restaurant,” she says. She would take wads of cash tips to doctor appointments. “You try buying insurance off of Obamacare,” she tells me, a line meant for her out-of-touch colleagues. (As a bartender, she did buy a plan, paying $200 per month, she says, for the “privilege” of an $8,000 deductible.) For a while after she was sworn in, even with a snazzy congressional insurance plan, Ocasio-Cortez says, she still rolled to the pharmacy and paid cash for her prescriptions out of habit. The first time she saw a doctor or dentist in years was when she became a congresswoman.

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Under a President Biden, “if his life doesn’t feel different,” she points to a cab driver whizzing by our table, “if their life doesn’t feel different,” she gestures to people walking by the beauty shop and Bengali Halal Grocery, “if these people’s lives don’t actually feel different”—now she is giving a stump speech over her omelet—“we’re done. You know how many Trumps there are in waiting?”

She is tired of incremental change, of “bullshit little 10 percent tax cuts,” she says. “I think, honestly, a lot of my dissent within the Democratic party comes from my lived experience. It’s not just that we can be better, it’s that we have to be better. We’re not good enough right now.”

jaymc, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 20:24 (three years ago) link

^It’s honestly shocking to me that mainstream democrats in 2020 can’t just say **that**

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 20:50 (three years ago) link

honestly the stodgy method of politician-speak is played in 2020, which is one of the few things Trump and some other Republicans have hit on.

nobody wants to hear their democratic Senator say "I am troubled by this undemocratic acquiescence to a foreign power", they want to hear "aw naw, this is some BULLSHIT!"

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 21:04 (three years ago) link

otm

a certain derecho (brownie), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 21:05 (three years ago) link

It’s honestly shocking to me that mainstream democrats in 2020 can’t just say **that**

They can’t because they don’t agree with her, though.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 21:19 (three years ago) link

Still, Ocasio-Cortez rejects the idea of "aspiring to a quote-unquote higher position just for the sake of that title," she said. "I think it's part of our cultural understanding of politics, where — if you think someone is great, you automatically think they should be president," Ocasio-Cortez added. "I joke. I'm like, 'Is Congress not good enough?'"

Of course she is shy about it and it's a long way off but I sure as hell hope to be able to vote for her someday.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 21:43 (three years ago) link

she should 100% primary schumer in 2022

cointelamateur (m bison), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 21:48 (three years ago) link

otm

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 21:50 (three years ago) link

Yeah I’d love to vote for her for pres but I wouldn’t be mad at all if she were to garrote Schumer in a primary challenge and then go on to be our longest-serving Senate Majority Leader

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 21:53 (three years ago) link

if only that was how Majority Leader worked

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 22:41 (three years ago) link

true. but in my dreamworld someone like Schumer being successfully primaried might put the fear into the dorks.

but I suspect he reality would be quite different, particularly in the near term

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 23:20 (three years ago) link

I don't think primarying Schumer in '22 would end well.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 23:33 (three years ago) link

what if she punks him out and he retires rather than suffer the humiliation

cointelamateur (m bison), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 23:34 (three years ago) link

I don't think primarying Schumer in '22 would end well.


sadly I think you might be correct. someone with some juice really should though. Run explicitly on expanding the courts, free college, & M4A. if it’s a credible threat maybe that bag of gas would make some real moves

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 23:40 (three years ago) link

jk he wouldn’t

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 23:40 (three years ago) link

In a difficult midterm election where they want to keep Biden's suburban Republicans on their side the machine isn't going to give an inch to challengers, they'd pour money into primarying her (or anyone else who tried) at the same time.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 23:45 (three years ago) link

Ilhan Omar has a 17 year old kid ??!?!?!?

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 29 October 2020 03:58 (three years ago) link

Astounding

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 29 October 2020 03:58 (three years ago) link

I presume you all do understand that if AOC were to primary Schumer and then become Senator AOC, she would not inherit Schumer's power as Leader, but would be the least senior Senator on any committee she sat on. The Senate Dems would just elect a new Leader who'd almost certainly be another geriatric status quo Senator from who knows where.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Thursday, 29 October 2020 03:59 (three years ago) link

Ilhan Omar has a 17 year old kid ??!?!?!?

yeah she rules

frogbs, Thursday, 29 October 2020 04:00 (three years ago) link

xpost Senate Majority Leader.........Diane Feinstein

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Thursday, 29 October 2020 04:05 (three years ago) link

yeah ftr I do understand that taking out Schumer doesn’t mean you assume his role as Leader.


maybe a celebrity could primary Chuckles

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Thursday, 29 October 2020 04:08 (three years ago) link

30 years from now our Majority Leader will be Senator Jack Black

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Thursday, 29 October 2020 04:09 (three years ago) link

I presume you all do understand that if AOC were to primary Schumer and then become Senator AOC, she would not inherit Schumer's power as Leader, but would be the least senior Senator on any committee she sat on. The Senate Dems would just elect a new Leader who'd almost certainly be another geriatric status quo Senator from who knows where.

― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Wednesday, October 28, 2020 10:59 PM (eleven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

primary them too

cointelamateur (m bison), Thursday, 29 October 2020 04:12 (three years ago) link

^ now yer on the right track. especially if the better candidate goes on to win the seat. this has got to develop into a national movement to give voters better choices, no matter which states now appear hopeless. there is strength in numbers and progressive voters in places like WY need a way to be counted, so their true numbers can be seen, no matter what that number may be.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Thursday, 29 October 2020 04:16 (three years ago) link

yeah ftr I do understand that taking out Schumer doesn’t mean you assume his role as Leader.

this only works if you drink your enemies' blood from his skull iirc

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 29 October 2020 10:30 (three years ago) link

💯% worth it, would do again https://t.co/0crlR7eXWT

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) October 29, 2020

frogbs, Thursday, 29 October 2020 18:09 (three years ago) link

I mean yeah, isn't that called WINNING?

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 29 October 2020 18:15 (three years ago) link

Pff, Trump would have walked out wearing the clothes because he's *smart.*

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 29 October 2020 18:17 (three years ago) link

lol there was some hater talking about how that means she's a fake leftist and like 1) no one owns the clothes they wear in a cover shot, 2) people who key in on nice clothes or nice food as the focus of their opprobrium are horrible idiots, espoecially when the 630 billionaires in the us can each presumably buy at least 71428 of those outfits.

Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Thursday, 29 October 2020 18:26 (three years ago) link


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