What are Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Flaws?

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sometimes Mike McCarthy is your coach

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 17:02 (three years ago) link

she needs to play in the Dantoni system

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 17:08 (three years ago) link

just after 2020 election: not a good time to bring up expanding court. want to show country that we all stand together, a time of healing after trump

a few months after the election: still not a good time. need to concentrate attention on most important legislation (covid-19, green dream whatever, etc). we are still healing, and with trump looking to face a trial later in 2021, it's not a good time to anger the remnants of his base even more.

end of 2021: not a good time. the backlash from the right has been substantial, and the dreaded mid-terms are coming up in 2022, likely to end with a loss of seats, considering the poor economy and the total stagnation in congress. last thing democrats need is its house members fending off worries about expanding the supreme court.

2022: uh oh, amnesiac america just voted a bunch of republicans in, and they have a mandate to oppose ALL democratic proposals. plus, a guy who was born in 1942 is running for president again in 2024, and if he appears to cede power within his own parties to the socialists who are whispering in his ear, he could be on the defensive against nikki haley, who so bravely defended the rights of normal americans against the one world order. Better hold off until the next election.........

just another 3-pinnochio post by (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 17:10 (three years ago) link

time for that 7 second offence

(•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 17:12 (three years ago) link

but make sure not to make it TOO offensive

just another 3-pinnochio post by (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 17:14 (three years ago) link

But if Biden loses, can we try an actual progressive next time?

― DJI, Tuesday, October 27, 2020 11:57 AM (nineteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I like how this scenario posits a 'next time'. Very utopian!

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 17:18 (three years ago) link

it's like this with SO many things. when is a good time to talk about the electoral college? it KIND of seems like bullshit that only 1 republican presidential term (2005-09 bush) has been legit in the last 28 years, despite their being 3 republican presidential terms during that time, but what do i know

when is a good time to talk about statehood for DC and PR (if they want it)? well not right now, that would very troublesome for our -completely- -fucking- -delusional- -family- -and- -dumbasses- -across- -the- -country- -who- -don't- -even- -know- -what- -the- -fuck- -they're- -talking- -about- -,- -EVER- (which is to say, "our friends across the aisle")

just another 3-pinnochio post by (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 17:18 (three years ago) link

my mom sent me a text about the "great reset" today (has to do with the new/one world order), so sorry for being a smartass dick. i just can't take these people seriously, at all

just another 3-pinnochio post by (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 17:25 (three years ago) link

tell me about this great reset! sounds cool

(•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 17:25 (three years ago) link

they're all people who read The Secret and thought it was non-fiction

what are you gonna do, it's magical thinking

just another 3-pinnochio post by (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 17:25 (three years ago) link

But if Biden loses, can we try an actual progressive next time?

― DJI, Tuesday, October 27, 2020 11:57 AM (nineteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I like how this scenario posits a 'next time'. Very utopian!

― OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, October 27, 2020 5:18 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

If there is a next time, it definitely won't be the time to risk running a progressive, amirite?

DJI, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 17:27 (three years ago) link

xp
at first i googled "great reset" and "international" and "one world order", and came across something disturbing, written by a Heartland Institute goon...and then published as an op-ed in The Hill. sometimes people talk shit on the hill and i think come on, they're not that bad. but then other times i remember that they publish garbage like that without a warning to their readers that the Heartland Institute has functioned as the leading purveyor of bogus "science" on climate change since the 1990s.

anyway, it turns out she didn't mean anything close to what that guy was saying. instead, she's onto another theory about how Trump is behind the Great Reset, which involves the elimination of all debt. Makes sense for Trump! And for me, lol! but for her it functions as her final explanation for why she isn't voting for Trump this year (she left President and VP blank on her early ballot)

just another 3-pinnochio post by (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 17:29 (three years ago) link

Any US concern about not knowing the result of an election on Election Night is extra-baffling when said results do not even take effect for another QUARTER OF A YEAR afterward

Un-fooled and placid (sic), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 17:32 (three years ago) link

only 1 republican presidential term (2005-09 bush) has been legit in the last 28 years

nb that even though this was an actual popular vote win, it's fine to not consider the reelection of an illegitimate president who started a fake war for votes to be a legit term

Un-fooled and placid (sic), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 17:34 (three years ago) link

Any US concern about not knowing the result of an election on Election Night is extra-baffling when said results do not even take effect for another QUARTER OF A YEAR afterward

^^^^^^

Change Display Name: (stevie), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 18:00 (three years ago) link

surely the framers envisioned a network call by 11pm EST

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 18:02 (three years ago) link

What's so baffling about it? They're trying to engineer a Trump win out of nothing.

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 18:24 (three years ago) link

the race to call predates Trump

Un-fooled and placid (sic), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 20:47 (three years ago) link

(and is not exclusive to the US - indeed, part of the bafflement is that the US' self-regard for its democratic process does not boast that the quarter-year gap allows for confidence in a measured and reviewed count)

Un-fooled and placid (sic), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 20:49 (three years ago) link

mostly, because the election is a TV show and the TV people want to have a ending before they go off the air

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 20:54 (three years ago) link

most states don't even certify results for a few weeks--this is the judicial equivalent of expecting a 30 minute pizza delivery

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 20:55 (three years ago) link

it definitely won't be the time to risk running a progressive, amirite?

if a progressive decides to run and has the kind of juice it takes to run a national campaign, voters will see their name on a ballot and have every opportunity to mark that name. if the voters are too timid and fearful to seek a change, there's no easy remedy for that.

The DNC doesn't determine everything for us unless we let it. We can organize and throw what weight we've got behind a progressive. Look how much control the RNC had when Jeb was their guy and Trump brushed him aside.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 20:59 (three years ago) link

drag 'em sis

.@AOC on the New York Times’s bombshell investigation of Trump’s taxes: https://t.co/xAbI0YRPca pic.twitter.com/zht1EH9ztA

— VANITY FAIR (@VanityFair) October 28, 2020

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 17:38 (three years ago) link

She is an inspiration

shout-out to his family (DJP), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 19:05 (three years ago) link

she brings meaning to my life

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 19:06 (three years ago) link

otm, she really is a revelation

how she explained the whole fundraising ladder that first-term congresspeople are expected to start climbing was so mindblowing to me - just explaining 'this is what the job is and why it's so compromised' from the get-go. who does that? only the illest.

Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 19:14 (three years ago) link

I mean the fact that she really is a working-class person who was able to seize on a good opportunity rather than someone whose entire life goal is a cushy 50-year political career is a big difference here

frogbs, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 19:16 (three years ago) link

we need 60 like her in the senate and 250+ more like her in the House

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 19:28 (three years ago) link

New reporting on the AOC-Yoho incident: The day after Rep. Ted Yoho harassed Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez with his disgusting, vulgar tirade, @AOC approached Yoho and told him, "You do that to me again, I won't be so nice next time."https://t.co/BXck5vpLdt

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) October 28, 2020

wheeeew

frogbs, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 19:46 (three years ago) link

she then told him I'LL PUT TRADEMARKS ON YOUR EYELIDS

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 19:49 (three years ago) link

ya just got PULVERIZED ya Yoho! *AIRHORN*

just another 3-pinnochio post by (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 20:03 (three years ago) link

A couple of other passages from that profile that resonated with me:

Neither the financial collapse nor the fundamentally broken health care system were abstracts for Ocasio-Cortez, a vocal supporter of Medicare for All and a persistent critic of the Affordable Care Act. “The main reason why I feel comfortable saying that the ACA has failed is because it failed me and it failed everyone that I worked with in a restaurant,” she says. She would take wads of cash tips to doctor appointments. “You try buying insurance off of Obamacare,” she tells me, a line meant for her out-of-touch colleagues. (As a bartender, she did buy a plan, paying $200 per month, she says, for the “privilege” of an $8,000 deductible.) For a while after she was sworn in, even with a snazzy congressional insurance plan, Ocasio-Cortez says, she still rolled to the pharmacy and paid cash for her prescriptions out of habit. The first time she saw a doctor or dentist in years was when she became a congresswoman.

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Under a President Biden, “if his life doesn’t feel different,” she points to a cab driver whizzing by our table, “if their life doesn’t feel different,” she gestures to people walking by the beauty shop and Bengali Halal Grocery, “if these people’s lives don’t actually feel different”—now she is giving a stump speech over her omelet—“we’re done. You know how many Trumps there are in waiting?”

She is tired of incremental change, of “bullshit little 10 percent tax cuts,” she says. “I think, honestly, a lot of my dissent within the Democratic party comes from my lived experience. It’s not just that we can be better, it’s that we have to be better. We’re not good enough right now.”

jaymc, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 20:24 (three years ago) link

^It’s honestly shocking to me that mainstream democrats in 2020 can’t just say **that**

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 20:50 (three years ago) link

honestly the stodgy method of politician-speak is played in 2020, which is one of the few things Trump and some other Republicans have hit on.

nobody wants to hear their democratic Senator say "I am troubled by this undemocratic acquiescence to a foreign power", they want to hear "aw naw, this is some BULLSHIT!"

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 21:04 (three years ago) link

otm

a certain derecho (brownie), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 21:05 (three years ago) link

It’s honestly shocking to me that mainstream democrats in 2020 can’t just say **that**

They can’t because they don’t agree with her, though.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 21:19 (three years ago) link

Still, Ocasio-Cortez rejects the idea of "aspiring to a quote-unquote higher position just for the sake of that title," she said. "I think it's part of our cultural understanding of politics, where — if you think someone is great, you automatically think they should be president," Ocasio-Cortez added. "I joke. I'm like, 'Is Congress not good enough?'"

Of course she is shy about it and it's a long way off but I sure as hell hope to be able to vote for her someday.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 21:43 (three years ago) link

she should 100% primary schumer in 2022

cointelamateur (m bison), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 21:48 (three years ago) link

otm

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 21:50 (three years ago) link

Yeah I’d love to vote for her for pres but I wouldn’t be mad at all if she were to garrote Schumer in a primary challenge and then go on to be our longest-serving Senate Majority Leader

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 21:53 (three years ago) link

if only that was how Majority Leader worked

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 22:41 (three years ago) link

true. but in my dreamworld someone like Schumer being successfully primaried might put the fear into the dorks.

but I suspect he reality would be quite different, particularly in the near term

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 23:20 (three years ago) link

I don't think primarying Schumer in '22 would end well.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 23:33 (three years ago) link

what if she punks him out and he retires rather than suffer the humiliation

cointelamateur (m bison), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 23:34 (three years ago) link

I don't think primarying Schumer in '22 would end well.


sadly I think you might be correct. someone with some juice really should though. Run explicitly on expanding the courts, free college, & M4A. if it’s a credible threat maybe that bag of gas would make some real moves

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 23:40 (three years ago) link

jk he wouldn’t

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 23:40 (three years ago) link

In a difficult midterm election where they want to keep Biden's suburban Republicans on their side the machine isn't going to give an inch to challengers, they'd pour money into primarying her (or anyone else who tried) at the same time.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 23:45 (three years ago) link

Ilhan Omar has a 17 year old kid ??!?!?!?

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 29 October 2020 03:58 (three years ago) link

Astounding

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 29 October 2020 03:58 (three years ago) link


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