"don't feed the monster" that is
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 26 October 2020 16:04 (three years ago) link
The walls between backpack and mainstream cracked a long time ago. El-P was about to play the Coachella mainstage before Covid
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, October 26, 2020 10:40 AM (fifty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
el-p getting booked to play coachella isn't exactly the most compelling evidence
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 26 October 2020 16:31 (three years ago) link
call me when El-P is on a BLACKPINK track
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Monday, 26 October 2020 16:39 (three years ago) link
I suppose the prog parallel is perhaps less about indie rap and more the critical scoffing at technical rapping. More pitchfork:
It must be mentioned as a baseline: Homeboy Sandman is good at rapping. But it’s the kind of good that treats words as a means to an end; that end being proving he’s good at rapping. It’s an empty loop, exacerbated by the fact that he isn’t rapping about much of anything else in particular
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 26 October 2020 16:44 (three years ago) link
I think backpack/experimental hip hop is to today's generation of critics what prog-rock was to critics of the past
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 26 October 2020 15:30 (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
You say this like ILM wasn't deeply complicit until relatively recently (Kendrick uniting the two sides probably the turning point)
― imago, Monday, 26 October 2020 16:51 (three years ago) link
well there are critics here
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 26 October 2020 16:54 (three years ago) link
I have been finding myself walking around the condo singing "make them / DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAD" and I think it's making my partner nervous
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Monday, 26 October 2020 17:14 (three years ago) link
on reflection I think what might also be happening re: pitchfork is a general disinterest in industrial-influenced stuff, see also their recent pans of HEALTH and Code Orange
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Monday, 26 October 2020 17:15 (three years ago) link
Homeboy Sandman is good at rapping. But it’s the kind of good that treats words as a means to an end; that end being proving he’s good at rapping.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 26 October 2020 17:16 (three years ago) link
"Body for the Pile" and "Looking Like Meat" are my faves of the not-previously-released tracks. relentless!
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Monday, 26 October 2020 17:16 (three years ago) link
Polaris winner Backxwash (who's become very tight with Clipping on Twitter, it's heartwarming tbh) has been daring Pitchfork to give her a 3.0, they haven't reviewed
― imago, Monday, 26 October 2020 17:17 (three years ago) link
xp didn't read that piece but criticism of that variety often strikes me as less "I don't like technical rapping" and more "why don't you rap about selling drugs, it's better when you rap about selling drugs"it's like wrestling fans complaining about how hokey sci-fi television scripts are.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 26 October 2020 17:20 (three years ago) link
I didn't read the piece very deeply but my general takeaway of its vibe was "Diggs spends so much time trying so hard that I can't tell he's a n-----"
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Monday, 26 October 2020 17:22 (three years ago) link
i mean... this would not surprise me? Like maybe Run the Jewels on a LOONA album is more likely but narcissism of small differences
um I mean narcissism of small difference is a great rhetorical device to shut down debate, but I really don't think either of these is likely and will personally bet any amount of money that neither of these things will ever happen.
...I wonder how they would feel about Diggs if he was just some guy and not in Hamilton?
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 26 October 2020 17:26 (three years ago) link
I've been wondering how much the Hamilton factor ties into their dismissal too, feel like that has to be a little bit of it.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 26 October 2020 17:29 (three years ago) link
wasn't trying to shut down an argument, was just suggesting that a run the jewels appearance on a k-pop girl band wouldn't surprise me. a solo el-p appearance might be odd but who knows! maybe open mike eagle on a stray kids track is our future.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 26 October 2020 17:30 (three years ago) link
I don't even think of him this way; I think of him as the guy from blackish. I like his lyrics but not his voice; it's a problem, because the music is often great. If his delivery was more hoarse/horrific/agitated in a New Kingdom/Son of Bazerk/ODB/Gravediggaz sort of way, I'd be much more into this.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 26 October 2020 17:36 (three years ago) link
i find the monotone, carefully paced delivery very effective
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 26 October 2020 17:38 (three years ago) link
"I wish this Tony-award winning actor was more like ODB" is ... NAGL
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 26 October 2020 17:38 (three years ago) link
I was just riffing on Coachella appearances btw
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Monday, 26 October 2020 17:39 (three years ago) link
Show your work, numbnuts. If you think ODB wasn't a performance, it's you who's got the problem.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 26 October 2020 17:40 (three years ago) link
haha, facts
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 26 October 2020 17:50 (three years ago) link
I think of him as the guy from blackish.
Also Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt
― I guess I'd be lonesome (Sund4r), Monday, 26 October 2020 17:59 (three years ago) link
he was absolutely the best thing about this very bad play that i ended up leaving at intermission; he's one hell of a good theater actorhttps://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/20/theater/white-noise-review.html
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 26 October 2020 18:04 (three years ago) link
Okay, so I already knew Death Grips and was pointed to JPEGMAFIA by Spotify; who else is in this vein that I should be checking out?
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 14:51 (three years ago) link
*cracks knuckles*
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 14:52 (three years ago) link
lol I almost wrote WHINEY/SIMON H BAT SIGNAL
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 14:55 (three years ago) link
First and foremost is Dälek, obviously. Chase with Cannibal Ox, Techno Animal, B L A C K I E and Food for Animals
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 14:57 (three years ago) link
i am curious what a djp thinks about DJ Paul
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 14:58 (three years ago) link
Also, you're into 80s industrial right? Are you up on the Beatnigs?
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 15:02 (three years ago) link
Also Ice's Bad Blood (a Techno Animal offshoot) and anything by Sensational, especially Loaded With Power (any/all of his albums on WordSound are better than the one he did for Ipecac).
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 15:03 (three years ago) link
I haven't thought about The Beatnigs in decades, wow
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 15:09 (three years ago) link
getting to see Death Grips (touring Ex Military) with B L A C K I E opening was a wild delight
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 15:10 (three years ago) link
(obv I was all about them/Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy back in the day)
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 15:10 (three years ago) link
Dalek is a great call, though I haven't really kept up with the more recent albums. The run of From Filthy Tongue of Gods and Griots through Abandoned Language is phenomenal though.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 15:12 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00NVXqc_zOk
I've probably said this before, but Beatnigs to this is one of the wildest career arcs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqgHosrqJ8o
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 15:31 (three years ago) link
I can remember the exact face I made when I realized who "Say Hey" was by
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 15:33 (three years ago) link
raise the double standardhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnQTFBpcBp0
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 15:41 (three years ago) link
not sure if all this is exactly right but i love all this stuff:
Armand Hammer is fucking amazing and also Elucid solo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9qV_h0Q3YM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8_dJ-eVFPw
Billy Woods & Kenny Segal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83F4JpVu61k
The Koreatown Oddity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65SbCnAMDgo
Kill the Vultures (great underrated group from Mpls)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRnYMOkKFfs
Jeremy Nutzman (has performed as Spyder Baybie Raw Dog, Pony Bwoy and now Velvet Negroni - VN is more in the Frank Ocean vibe now than what he was doing)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnc8K_6N-SM&t=40s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYX4nVXDOx0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz_WF2OUNd8
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 17:26 (three years ago) link
oops broken link on spyder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqPUEKE9l58
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 17:27 (three years ago) link
I don't know why I avoided Dälek and Cannibal Ox for so many years
― DJP, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 15:02 (three years ago) link
:)
― imago, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 15:03 (three years ago) link
Stuck deciding whether From Filthy Tongue... or The Cold Vein is better eh
― imago, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 15:05 (three years ago) link
Cold Vein is so sick, I'm not in the mood for it all that often but it sure scratches a very specific itch
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 15:22 (three years ago) link
Another vote for Cold Vein, it's crazy good.
― A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 15:25 (three years ago) link
The Cold Vein is all-time, as is Funcrusher Plus, which doesn't get name-checked as often as it should imo. Dälek also rules, of course.
Anyway, this may be relevant to your interests, DJP:
yo is it true vordul got sonned by a wite kid after a aol beef??????
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 15:26 (three years ago) link
I would actually vote From Filthy Tongue in that poll, it is completely mindblowing imo and it has probably the best pair of closing tracks I can think of
― imago, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 15:29 (three years ago) link
imago otm, I love Cold Vein but From Filthy Tongue has held up even better over the years imo
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 15:31 (three years ago) link
lol pomentitul beat me to it
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 15:46 (three years ago) link
DJP is all over that thread already lol, but always worth a read
― imago, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 15:50 (three years ago) link