Clipping - Midcity (noise rap)

until clipping goes out on halloween and robs children of their candy bags then punches the sidewalk frankly i'm not convinced

xpost idk about that since guys like Earl Sweatshirt are basically making Madlib albums now.

More along the lines of “these guys are writing song cycles about wizards and flying saucers!”

again, idk, because Rolling Stone just said Kid Cudi made an album better than the Anthology of American Folk Music

The walls between backpack and mainstream cracked a long time ago. El-P was about to play the Coachella mainstage before Covid

I think backpack/experimental hip hop is to today's generation of critics what prog-rock was to critics of the past

they're fine with it as long as there's an autobiographical hook they can grok, eg the anime-themed Open Mike Eagle record they just praised (which tbc is actually quite good)

or to put it another way, I don't think anyone is listening to clipping. principally for the lyrics (which is not to say they're bad), but instead for the sonics, mood and for Diggs' remarkable dexterity, and the 'fork seems uncomfortable with that for...some reason

just gonna mention here that the Homeboy Sandman album is very good

"don't feed the monster" that is

The walls between backpack and mainstream cracked a long time ago. El-P was about to play the Coachella mainstage before Covid

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, October 26, 2020 10:40 AM (fifty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

el-p getting booked to play coachella isn't exactly the most compelling evidence

call me when El-P is on a BLACKPINK track

I suppose the prog parallel is perhaps less about indie rap and more the critical scoffing at technical rapping. More pitchfork:

It must be mentioned as a baseline: Homeboy Sandman is good at rapping. But it’s the kind of good that treats words as a means to an end; that end being proving he’s good at rapping. It’s an empty loop, exacerbated by the fact that he isn’t rapping about much of anything else in particular

I think backpack/experimental hip hop is to today's generation of critics what prog-rock was to critics of the past

― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 26 October 2020 15:30 (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

You say this like ILM wasn't deeply complicit until relatively recently (Kendrick uniting the two sides probably the turning point)

well there are critics here

I have been finding myself walking around the condo singing "make them / DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAD" and I think it's making my partner nervous

on reflection I think what might also be happening re: pitchfork is a general disinterest in industrial-influenced stuff, see also their recent pans of HEALTH and Code Orange

call me when El-P is on a BLACKPINK track

Homeboy Sandman is good at rapping. But it’s the kind of good that treats words as a means to an end; that end being proving he’s good at rapping.

"Body for the Pile" and "Looking Like Meat" are my faves of the not-previously-released tracks. relentless!

Polaris winner Backxwash (who's become very tight with Clipping on Twitter, it's heartwarming tbh) has been daring Pitchfork to give her a 3.0, they haven't reviewed

xp didn't read that piece but criticism of that variety often strikes me as less "I don't like technical rapping" and more "why don't you rap about selling drugs, it's better when you rap about selling drugs"
it's like wrestling fans complaining about how hokey sci-fi television scripts are.

I didn't read the piece very deeply but my general takeaway of its vibe was "Diggs spends so much time trying so hard that I can't tell he's a n-----"

call me when El-P is on a BLACKPINK track

i mean... this would not surprise me? Like maybe Run the Jewels on a LOONA album is more likely but narcissism of small differences

um I mean narcissism of small difference is a great rhetorical device to shut down debate, but I really don't think either of these is likely and will personally bet any amount of money that neither of these things will ever happen.

...I wonder how they would feel about Diggs if he was just some guy and not in Hamilton?

I've been wondering how much the Hamilton factor ties into their dismissal too, feel like that has to be a little bit of it.

wasn't trying to shut down an argument, was just suggesting that a run the jewels appearance on a k-pop girl band wouldn't surprise me. a solo el-p appearance might be odd but who knows! maybe open mike eagle on a stray kids track is our future.

...I wonder how they would feel about Diggs if he was just some guy and not in Hamilton?

I don't even think of him this way; I think of him as the guy from blackish. I like his lyrics but not his voice; it's a problem, because the music is often great. If his delivery was more hoarse/horrific/agitated in a New Kingdom/Son of Bazerk/ODB/Gravediggaz sort of way, I'd be much more into this.

i find the monotone, carefully paced delivery very effective

"I wish this Tony-award winning actor was more like ODB" is ... NAGL

I was just riffing on Coachella appearances btw

"I wish this Tony-award winning actor was more like ODB" is ... NAGL

Show your work, numbnuts. If you think ODB wasn't a performance, it's you who's got the problem.

haha, facts

I think of him as the guy from blackish.

Also Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt

he was absolutely the best thing about this very bad play that i ended up leaving at intermission; he's one hell of a good theater actor
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/20/theater/white-noise-review.html

Okay, so I already knew Death Grips and was pointed to JPEGMAFIA by Spotify; who else is in this vein that I should be checking out?

*cracks knuckles*

lol I almost wrote WHINEY/SIMON H BAT SIGNAL

First and foremost is Dälek, obviously. Chase with Cannibal Ox, Techno Animal, B L A C K I E and Food for Animals

i am curious what a djp thinks about DJ Paul

Also, you're into 80s industrial right? Are you up on the Beatnigs?

First and foremost is Dälek, obviously. Chase with Cannibal Ox, Techno Animal, B L A C K I E and Food for Animals

Also Ice's Bad Blood (a Techno Animal offshoot) and anything by Sensational, especially Loaded With Power (any/all of his albums on WordSound are better than the one he did for Ipecac).

I haven't thought about The Beatnigs in decades, wow

getting to see Death Grips (touring Ex Military) with B L A C K I E opening was a wild delight

(obv I was all about them/Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy back in the day)

Dalek is a great call, though I haven't really kept up with the more recent albums. The run of From Filthy Tongue of Gods and Griots through Abandoned Language is phenomenal though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00NVXqc_zOk

I've probably said this before, but Beatnigs to this is one of the wildest career arcs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqgHosrqJ8o

I can remember the exact face I made when I realized who "Say Hey" was by

raise the double standard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnQTFBpcBp0

not sure if all this is exactly right but i love all this stuff:

Armand Hammer is fucking amazing and also Elucid solo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9qV_h0Q3YM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8_dJ-eVFPw

Billy Woods & Kenny Segal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83F4JpVu61k

The Koreatown Oddity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65SbCnAMDgo

Kill the Vultures (great underrated group from Mpls)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRnYMOkKFfs

Jeremy Nutzman (has performed as Spyder Baybie Raw Dog, Pony Bwoy and now Velvet Negroni - VN is more in the Frank Ocean vibe now than what he was doing)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnc8K_6N-SM&t=40s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYX4nVXDOx0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz_WF2OUNd8

oops broken link on spyder

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqPUEKE9l58

I don't know why I avoided Dälek and Cannibal Ox for so many years

:)