6.0 from the irrelevant Conde Nast webzine!
― imago, Monday, 26 October 2020 12:21 (three years ago) link
And as ever, the criticism is "too academic, not gangsta enough". Pitchfork you're a fucking embarrassment
― imago, Monday, 26 October 2020 12:26 (three years ago) link
It's 0.3 better than the Menswear retrospective! lol
― Ilxor in the streets, Scampo in the sheets (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 26 October 2020 12:42 (three years ago) link
Though Diggs is an animated performer, he isn’t a strong orator
There is a lot wrong in that review, this line is the most egregious.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 26 October 2020 13:37 (three years ago) link
well in this album's context "Lend me your ears" would have a literal meaning
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 26 October 2020 14:10 (three years ago) link
by contrast occasional pfork contributor and wonderful songwriter in his own right Fred Thomas unsurprisingly nails their appeal in his AMG review - "the midway point between Wolf Eyes and Three 6 Mafia"
https://www.allmusic.com/album/visions-of-bodies-being-burned-mw0003420014
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Monday, 26 October 2020 14:14 (three years ago) link
Hey, 6.0 is the highest they've ever rated a Clipping album!
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 26 October 2020 14:44 (three years ago) link
my references have been more blanck mass/disposable heroes of hiphoprisy/gravediggazwhich is to say i'm liking it a lot
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 26 October 2020 15:06 (three years ago) link
idk, it reminds me of when I dragged my friend to see Hausu at an ATP and he was like "that's not a horror" because it's not scary, but it's one of my favorites because I love the filmmaking and the humor and weirdness. I don't watch horror movies to be scared!
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 26 October 2020 15:23 (three years ago) link
yeah, that makes sense. am i wrong in thinking the critical issues of "authenticity" that i keep seeing from other reviewers (not gangsta enough, too clear of a flow, too dramatic in presentation, too gonzo) run perilously close to "not black enough"?
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 26 October 2020 15:27 (three years ago) link
no
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Monday, 26 October 2020 15:28 (three years ago) link
that is exactly what it is
I think backpack/experimental hip hop is to today's generation of critics what prog-rock was to critics of the past
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 26 October 2020 15:30 (three years ago) link
until clipping goes out on halloween and robs children of their candy bags then punches the sidewalk frankly i'm not convinced
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 26 October 2020 15:31 (three years ago) link
xpost idk about that since guys like Earl Sweatshirt are basically making Madlib albums now.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 26 October 2020 15:32 (three years ago) link
More along the lines of “these guys are writing song cycles about wizards and flying saucers!”
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 26 October 2020 15:37 (three years ago) link
again, idk, because Rolling Stone just said Kid Cudi made an album better than the Anthology of American Folk Music
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 26 October 2020 15:38 (three years ago) link
The walls between backpack and mainstream cracked a long time ago. El-P was about to play the Coachella mainstage before Covid
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 26 October 2020 15:40 (three years ago) link
they're fine with it as long as there's an autobiographical hook they can grok, eg the anime-themed Open Mike Eagle record they just praised (which tbc is actually quite good)
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Monday, 26 October 2020 15:53 (three years ago) link
or to put it another way, I don't think anyone is listening to clipping. principally for the lyrics (which is not to say they're bad), but instead for the sonics, mood and for Diggs' remarkable dexterity, and the 'fork seems uncomfortable with that for...some reason
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Monday, 26 October 2020 15:58 (three years ago) link
just gonna mention here that the Homeboy Sandman album is very good
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 26 October 2020 16:03 (three years ago) link
"don't feed the monster" that is
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 26 October 2020 16:04 (three years ago) link
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, October 26, 2020 10:40 AM (fifty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
el-p getting booked to play coachella isn't exactly the most compelling evidence
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 26 October 2020 16:31 (three years ago) link
call me when El-P is on a BLACKPINK track
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Monday, 26 October 2020 16:39 (three years ago) link
I suppose the prog parallel is perhaps less about indie rap and more the critical scoffing at technical rapping. More pitchfork:
It must be mentioned as a baseline: Homeboy Sandman is good at rapping. But it’s the kind of good that treats words as a means to an end; that end being proving he’s good at rapping. It’s an empty loop, exacerbated by the fact that he isn’t rapping about much of anything else in particular
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 26 October 2020 16:44 (three years ago) link
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 26 October 2020 15:30 (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
You say this like ILM wasn't deeply complicit until relatively recently (Kendrick uniting the two sides probably the turning point)
― imago, Monday, 26 October 2020 16:51 (three years ago) link
well there are critics here
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 26 October 2020 16:54 (three years ago) link
I have been finding myself walking around the condo singing "make them / DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAD" and I think it's making my partner nervous
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Monday, 26 October 2020 17:14 (three years ago) link
on reflection I think what might also be happening re: pitchfork is a general disinterest in industrial-influenced stuff, see also their recent pans of HEALTH and Code Orange
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Monday, 26 October 2020 17:15 (three years ago) link
Homeboy Sandman is good at rapping. But it’s the kind of good that treats words as a means to an end; that end being proving he’s good at rapping.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 26 October 2020 17:16 (three years ago) link
"Body for the Pile" and "Looking Like Meat" are my faves of the not-previously-released tracks. relentless!
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Monday, 26 October 2020 17:16 (three years ago) link
Polaris winner Backxwash (who's become very tight with Clipping on Twitter, it's heartwarming tbh) has been daring Pitchfork to give her a 3.0, they haven't reviewed
― imago, Monday, 26 October 2020 17:17 (three years ago) link
xp didn't read that piece but criticism of that variety often strikes me as less "I don't like technical rapping" and more "why don't you rap about selling drugs, it's better when you rap about selling drugs"it's like wrestling fans complaining about how hokey sci-fi television scripts are.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 26 October 2020 17:20 (three years ago) link
I didn't read the piece very deeply but my general takeaway of its vibe was "Diggs spends so much time trying so hard that I can't tell he's a n-----"
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Monday, 26 October 2020 17:22 (three years ago) link
i mean... this would not surprise me? Like maybe Run the Jewels on a LOONA album is more likely but narcissism of small differences
um I mean narcissism of small difference is a great rhetorical device to shut down debate, but I really don't think either of these is likely and will personally bet any amount of money that neither of these things will ever happen.
...I wonder how they would feel about Diggs if he was just some guy and not in Hamilton?
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 26 October 2020 17:26 (three years ago) link
I've been wondering how much the Hamilton factor ties into their dismissal too, feel like that has to be a little bit of it.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 26 October 2020 17:29 (three years ago) link
wasn't trying to shut down an argument, was just suggesting that a run the jewels appearance on a k-pop girl band wouldn't surprise me. a solo el-p appearance might be odd but who knows! maybe open mike eagle on a stray kids track is our future.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 26 October 2020 17:30 (three years ago) link
I don't even think of him this way; I think of him as the guy from blackish. I like his lyrics but not his voice; it's a problem, because the music is often great. If his delivery was more hoarse/horrific/agitated in a New Kingdom/Son of Bazerk/ODB/Gravediggaz sort of way, I'd be much more into this.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 26 October 2020 17:36 (three years ago) link
i find the monotone, carefully paced delivery very effective
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 26 October 2020 17:38 (three years ago) link
"I wish this Tony-award winning actor was more like ODB" is ... NAGL
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 26 October 2020 17:38 (three years ago) link
I was just riffing on Coachella appearances btw
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Monday, 26 October 2020 17:39 (three years ago) link
Show your work, numbnuts. If you think ODB wasn't a performance, it's you who's got the problem.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 26 October 2020 17:40 (three years ago) link
haha, facts
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 26 October 2020 17:50 (three years ago) link
I think of him as the guy from blackish.
Also Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt
― I guess I'd be lonesome (Sund4r), Monday, 26 October 2020 17:59 (three years ago) link
he was absolutely the best thing about this very bad play that i ended up leaving at intermission; he's one hell of a good theater actorhttps://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/20/theater/white-noise-review.html
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 26 October 2020 18:04 (three years ago) link
Okay, so I already knew Death Grips and was pointed to JPEGMAFIA by Spotify; who else is in this vein that I should be checking out?
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 14:51 (three years ago) link
*cracks knuckles*
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 14:52 (three years ago) link
lol I almost wrote WHINEY/SIMON H BAT SIGNAL
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 14:55 (three years ago) link
First and foremost is Dälek, obviously. Chase with Cannibal Ox, Techno Animal, B L A C K I E and Food for Animals
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 14:57 (three years ago) link
i am curious what a djp thinks about DJ Paul
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 14:58 (three years ago) link