I don't think this gets said enough, but Eddie is a trip on headphones.
― "what are you DOING to fleetwood mac??" (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 22 October 2020 20:54 (three years ago) link
Also: The secret genius of "I'll Wait" is that it's VH doing their take on "The Model".
― "what are you DOING to fleetwood mac??" (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 22 October 2020 21:00 (three years ago) link
I'll Wait is so good. They had the sense to leave a lot of space, that eerie synth sound and the big booming drums, way different that how most big rock acts tried to embrace new wave
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 23 October 2020 15:42 (three years ago) link
really excited about this. I do a music podcast and Greg Renoff (Van Halen Rising author) gave us 2 hours of his time. so many cool tidbits on the band and its history, great guy
Did you know: Eddie Van Halen’s Eruption, the searing solo heard ‘round the world, almost didn’t make the album. @gregrenoff joins @matthelgeson and @nintendufus for a new Van Halen episode of CrossFade!https://t.co/RrDA2l5naw pic.twitter.com/WNxb7AbmIM— MinnMax (@MinnMaxShow) October 23, 2020
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 23 October 2020 17:42 (three years ago) link
i only saw Eddie Van Halen once, at Neil Young’s Bridge Benefit show in like 92 or 93? It was the end of the night and Simon & Garfunkel were doing “sound of silence”... Eddie stumbles out from backstage and (drunkenly?) attempts to accompany them on guitar. it was ridiculous and I was just happy he was there.
― brimstead, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 00:42 (three years ago) link
anybody else at that show?
did he add a tapping solo over it?
― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 00:44 (three years ago) link
Lol at the image of EVH interjecting a full Eruption style solo, divebombs and all, into the middle of SOS
― Master of Treacle, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 00:46 (three years ago) link
Wow. It's almost a shreds video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0y3o3zXFBA
― peace, man, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 00:48 (three years ago) link
haha half of that solo isn't even in key
― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 00:59 (three years ago) link
Ha, that's an infamous mess.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 01:07 (three years ago) link
shades of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkV5XqEd2Do
― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 01:11 (three years ago) link
“Special plans!”
― calstars, Sunday, 1 November 2020 00:02 (three years ago) link
Stephen Thomas Erlewine's reflections on EVH and the band through all its incarnations may be the best yet I've read:
https://sterlewine.substack.com/p/eddie-van-halen-happy-trails
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 3 November 2020 00:58 (three years ago) link
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Tuesday, 3 November 2020 02:01 (three years ago) link
I've heard "Hot for Teacher" a few times on the radio recently, turned it up and noticed a few things with the drums I'd never really thought about before. At first I was convinced there was more overdubbing throughout the whole thing, a la the intro, and maybe there was, but then I came across this isolated track:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbanpC_K62M
And a commenter made this, er, comment:
The 1st part of the intro is played on a Simmons pad with sticks then you hear the kick drums come in underneath. Everybody thinks the 1st part is his feet but that's actually his hands on a Simmons pad. Then the bass drums come in which are also Simmons pads. 1984 was Simmons pads with a ludwig super phonic snare drum and Roto-toms along with Paiste symbols. No actual real wood drums were used in the 1984 recording. I actually have very rare pictures of 5150 studio when that album was recorded, the Simmons pads were red.
I knew about the Simmons pads, but I didn't realize it was sort of an all-artificial material set, which maybe explains why the whole thing sounds so uncanny valley sci-fi.
One thing I haven't figured out (it's also mentioned in passing in those comments) is the occasional stick-click. It happens two or three times, but I can't tell if Alex is doing it on purpose for effect, doing it on purpose to help everyone's timing (a la Bonham in "Black Dog") or messing up. The last seems the least likely answer, since they would have just done another take, but I'm not sure which of the first two I'm going with.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 7 November 2020 14:01 (three years ago) link
You can see the set in the background here:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e8/b1/58/e8b1587b73c8f1995332e25eba84a01a.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 7 November 2020 14:03 (three years ago) link
that intro makes me think of Bow Wow Wow
― Josefa, Saturday, 7 November 2020 16:06 (three years ago) link
Good thread on Simmons :http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/albums-where-drummers-use-simmons-drums-electronic-drums.478617/
― calstars, Saturday, 7 November 2020 18:40 (three years ago) link
it can't be his hands at the start on the pads, b/c there's also a tom pattern he does about :12 seconds in, and he obviously does that w/hands
interesting follow up to that comment tho
Ted Templeman said in his autobiography that the first few seconds are actually a recording of the exhaust from Eddie's Laborghini. Donn Landee (the engineer) played with it until it blended with the start of Alex's drums.
― a (waterface), Monday, 9 November 2020 16:18 (three years ago) link
exhaust from Eddie's Laborghini.
No way this is accurate. This sounds like the conflation/confusion of several stories, but closest to the revving in "Panama."
Also:
It's overdubbed, that much everyone agrees on.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 November 2020 16:33 (three years ago) link
Like, the bulk of the song is fast/exhausting enough, but it's telling that afaict he never did the full intro live. There are, of course, all sorts of mutant drummers now that have figured out ways to do it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GXshVjEVU8
And there's a similar callback here (which is insane, but Meshuggah, you know)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc98u-eGzlc
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 November 2020 16:44 (three years ago) link
ah my bad i thought you were stating there were no overdubs
― a (waterface), Monday, 9 November 2020 17:42 (three years ago) link
Reminds me of Copeland’s stories, another multi-tracker that people have figured how to replicate
― calstars, Monday, 9 November 2020 18:04 (three years ago) link
Yeah, he supposedly got a hoot out of watching people play, say, "Message in a Bottle," which takes a few extra arms/overdubs.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 November 2020 20:01 (three years ago) link
Wolfgang Van Halen has released a solo track in tribute to his father. The song is barely there, but the video is worth watching.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI3aPJkZmNU
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 16 November 2020 15:25 (three years ago) link
Emotional! Thanks
― calstars, Monday, 16 November 2020 16:52 (three years ago) link
Hot shoe, boinin’ down the avenue
― calstars, Sunday, 6 December 2020 19:24 (three years ago) link
he went for John Fogerty on that one for some reason
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 6 December 2020 22:21 (three years ago) link
Huh. Apparently Eddie and Alex recorded demos of "Christine Sixteen" and "Got Love For Sale" with Simmons. Had no idea.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWPOJWevONI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yccJRMHRNDk
― Darin, Friday, 29 January 2021 16:07 (three years ago) link
It's Two for Tuesday on the local classic rock station. They played Hot for Teacher, so I was pumped, but they followed it with a really shitty Sammy Hagar solo track. That's cheating!
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 13 April 2021 17:34 (three years ago) link
a real #2 all right
― microsloth fig stimulator (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 13 April 2021 18:44 (three years ago) link
You should be able to conduct a citizen's arrest in this situations
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 13 April 2021 18:51 (three years ago) link
They should have played "Just Like Paradise" instead of "Hot for Teacher", as a democratic gesture.
― Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 13 April 2021 18:55 (three years ago) link
that is a goddamn outrage imo
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 13 April 2021 19:50 (three years ago) link
they should be forced by a court to play "beautiful girls" at least once per day for the next month
― voodoo chili, Tuesday, 13 April 2021 19:54 (three years ago) link
I believe that is an FCC violation, iirc, per the Two-Fer Tuesday/Mandatory Metallica/Get the Led Out reauthorization act of 1996.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 13 April 2021 19:55 (three years ago) link
Yeah, no amount of Breakfast with the Beatles can redeem a DJ essentially cock-blocking a rock block, let alone with the Red Rider.
The shitty song in question was something called "Your Love Is Driving Me Crazy." The classic rock station should have known better, or at least if you are going to play a solo song by human dud Sammy Hagar in tandem with a Van Halen song, pick a "classic" Hagar song and not some blatant stinker. As Genius notes in response to the line "hot, sweet cherries on the vine," "This leads one to believe that Mr. Hagar is not much of a horticulturalist. Cherries grow on trees. It’s a tough spot. 'Grapes' would be an unstressed syllable short, and 'melons' would bear unintended meanings." He's got a point, in that Hagar is such a shitty lyricist that what little meaning his songs have are always totally, thoroughly intentional. When Hagar is singing about aliens, he is not using metaphors.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 13 April 2021 20:05 (three years ago) link
Sammy loves his fruit, though, as one listen to "Up for Breakfast" on the 2004 Van Halen compilation will indicate.
― Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 13 April 2021 20:15 (three years ago) link
Hmm having just peruse the lyrics for "Up for Breakfast" I'd wager a single US dollar this song is about sexual intercourse
She put the cream in my coffee (first thing in the morning)Put that butter on my biscuit (honey to my melons)Woo, cherries on bananas (you gonna need a second helping)You know I'm up for breakfast so early in the morning
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 13 April 2021 20:21 (three years ago) link
Is cherries on bananas a sex thing? I've been out of the game too long
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 13 April 2021 20:23 (three years ago) link
it means there's acne on his dick, Woo
― microsloth fig stimulator (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 13 April 2021 21:27 (three years ago) link
― calstars, Tuesday, 13 April 2021 21:28 (three years ago) link
nah, just in the vocal
― voodoo chili, Tuesday, 13 April 2021 21:34 (three years ago) link
Only time will tell if cherries wilt on vines... yeah!
― pplains, Wednesday, 14 April 2021 12:32 (three years ago) link
"The shitty song in question was something called "Your Love Is Driving Me Crazy"
you strike me, JiC, as a guy what had listened to or at least was present for the AOR era, distinct from classic rock. and the above indicates that you had not heard the above song prior to the other day? That's odd to me… I'm fond of it, in that I often am fond of songs which owe their existence to John David Kalodner not hearing a single among the songs recorded for an early 80s AOR-oriented record and insisting that the artist write some sell out shit…
― veronica moser, Wednesday, 14 April 2021 13:34 (three years ago) link
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, April 13, 2021 3:23 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
i don't think there's any reason to read anything dirty into this...sammy's just a foodie, for ex "poundcake"
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 13:44 (three years ago) link
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/TxLCnR2iwGBHejVGMGbKCK-q09QD-4s1nTGrucEWIiTx5AofIrYdQHn2nIMNvRVOLRxC2IJO7ZlulqOXdS6jeaXbhmuTovXkENX5bWzcbPCTLx5fwlRwiYLW1w
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 14 April 2021 13:59 (three years ago) link
thought that was Bob Plant on the right
― calstars, Wednesday, 14 April 2021 14:17 (three years ago) link