Marvel Cinematic Universe, Phase 4 & Beyond (and a chance to change your vote)

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So much character fleshing-out that was lovable but verged on dumb...Black Jack Tarr becoming a big Frank Frazetta fan, lol. (This might have been in the Mike Zeck or Gene Day days, can't remember.)

(show hidden tics) (WmC), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:26 (eight months ago) link

okay lol @ "nerd immunity"

shout-out to his family (DJP), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:27 (eight months ago) link

it looks like the Maslany She-Hulk was just a rumor that she debunked in a recent interview, sadly.

I don't know, I smell a rat. Kind of like when Taika denied he was making a Star Wars movie and then was all, psych, I'm making a Star Wars movie.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:31 (eight months ago) link

I assume she's still negotiating her contract, and Ruffalo's tweet improved her payday/terms.

(show hidden tics) (WmC), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:35 (eight months ago) link

Oh I hope it's a feint, makes sense since she called it a "press release that got out of hand", which doesn't come across as quite the strong denial the article I read implied. I'm still hopeful she shows up in it.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 16:28 (eight months ago) link

maybe she plays jennifer and somebody else plays she hulk? and she plays "the voice in her head"? it's a weird bit of pr thus far.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 17:21 (eight months ago) link

Just negotiating phase/tactics. Though I'd love to see his take on the character.

Nhex, Monday, 26 October 2020 20:44 (seven months ago) link

it's a meaty fuckin' role!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 26 October 2020 20:45 (seven months ago) link

lol oscar isaac hated working for disney so much during Star Wars, wonder what kind of sweetheart deal they’re offering him for this

you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 26 October 2020 20:49 (seven months ago) link

Well, much like Finn his role got worse and worse as the series went on, so I don't blame him

Nhex, Monday, 26 October 2020 21:03 (seven months ago) link

one month passes...

Is this the right thread for this(?) Kate Bishop on-set images have surfaced:

wet tip hen ax (egg drop mix) (morrisp), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 23:43 (six months ago) link

The casting announcements for Spider-Man 3 make it really look like they are just going to repeat the multiverse thing that worked so well in Into the Spider-Verse with a live action version. Even for the MCU this seems really lazy. Happy to be proven wrong, but I really liked watching the first two with my son and this makes me way less excited for a third one.

I mean, given the Dr. Strange sequel’s subtitle, the multiverse was already long planned, but this seems like a questionable move.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 06:03 (six months ago) link

Even for the MCU this seems really lazy.

McKenna was nominated for both an Emmy and a Hugo, for writing a multiverse story, seven years before Spider-Verse came out tbfttl

huge rant (sic), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 06:36 (six months ago) link

A bunch more Kate Bishop set pics circulating today; Steinfeld looks like a great casting choice.

good karma, my aesthetic (morrisp), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 06:51 (six months ago) link

Just misread that as 'Seinfeld' and I'm still laughing from that mental image.

You will notice a small sink where your sofa once was. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 12:11 (six months ago) link

McKenna was nominated for both an Emmy and a Hugo, for writing a multiverse story, seven years before Spider-Verse came out tbfttl

Oh I don't have any issue with McKenna and, again, this is total speculation just based on the casting, it's more just surprise that they'd use the Spider-Man film to redo the Spider-verse think so soon again.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 14:34 (six months ago) link

It may be wise to speculate with caution, as you may recall that a lot of the pre-release assumptions about the last Spidey flick were upended (ie the thing about Mysterio dropping in from a different earth).

You will notice a small sink where your sofa once was. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 14:42 (six months ago) link

they'll need to add more Spiders-Man and Girls if they're going to sorta hit the key diversity theme

Nhex, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 14:54 (six months ago) link

Maybe this is Mysterio running the same scam again. Maybe every future Marvel movie will end by revealing that actually it was Mysterio.

Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 14:55 (six months ago) link

iirc doesn't Mysterio make that multiverse claim himself in the movie, as part of his ruse? Between the timeline resolution of the Avengers, Spider-verse and Dr. Strange title, and possibly what they hinted at with the Vision/Witch show, they're definitely leaning in to this. Someone versed in the comics could maybe make a good guess as to the overarching plot or big bad. I have no idea. Does Captain Marvel 2 have a title or casting? They've hinted at introducing Adam Warlock a few times now, I think. Certainly a multiverse scenario could allow, say, the Fantastic Four to just pop in as a deus ex reboot at the end of a movie. Lots of ways Marvel can go, assuming they even want another giant overarching crossover scenario.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 15:08 (six months ago) link

Yeah, I have no issue with the multiverse idea and that's clearly where we are heading, I was just saying that it seems kinda lazy to launch into it with a do-over of the multiple Spider-Men thing. Especially since the Spider-Man flick is slated before the Dr. Strange sequel, which will obviously lean heavily into the multiverse too.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 15:13 (six months ago) link

I just have no idea why they'd want to maintain any association with the awful Andrew Garfield movies

Number None, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 15:26 (six months ago) link

there's (un)surprisingly a small, vocal fanbase online who grew up with and liked those movies

Nhex, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 15:43 (six months ago) link

i can't lie though - i am excited to see all those jabronis in one big battle royale. even the characters who died! let's get Topher Grace in there while we're at it

Nhex, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 15:44 (six months ago) link

hoping they insert Mulaney's Spider-Ham Who-Framed-Roger-Rabbit-style

DJP, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 16:17 (six months ago) link

It could be cool if they do it right.

It’s kind of funny that a generation will grow up thinking of multiple Spideys as a basic “Spider-Man” feature, when for most of Marvel’s history, there was only one Parker, he was a very singular hero... even while there were a few different Caps, Thors, Captain Marvels, etc. (I’m talking back in the ’80s, long before there were a zillion versions of every character.)

good karma, my aesthetic (morrisp), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 16:21 (six months ago) link

I mean, a generation already has grown up thinking multiple Spideys are a basic Spider-Man feature; Ben Reilly, although created in the 70s, came into his own circa 1994.

DJP, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 16:29 (six months ago) link

Huh, I had stopped reading by then.

good karma, my aesthetic (morrisp), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 16:52 (six months ago) link

Spider-Man 2099 was an ongoing two years before that

not to mention that the film had Spider-Folk from six universes, but the original Spider-Verse comics on which the film was based featured Spidey-Persons from dozens of universes, crossed over half a dozen existing titles, launched several titles featuring new Spider-Ladies and recurring -Verse miniseries, and was itself adapting a video game by the same spider-writer-and-comments-troll.

huge rant (sic), Thursday, 10 December 2020 09:21 (six months ago) link

Anything with superheroes is fundamentally uninteresting to me, I don't like to begrudge others their fun but in the last decade it has become impossible to filter out while still being interested in other pop culture, just hope we can move on soon.

Gary Sambrook eats substantial meals (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 10 December 2020 10:23 (six months ago) link

May I c+p your post into all 413,209 threads about things that don't interest me? I think people would really enjoy that.

You will notice a small sink where your sofa once was. (Old Lunch), Thursday, 10 December 2020 12:10 (six months ago) link

We're 10,000 posts into the Marvel Cinematic Universe: Classic Or Dud thread, with about three or four of those posts saying "dud." You don't need to freak out on anyone who mildly says "idk, idgi"

huge rant (sic), Thursday, 10 December 2020 12:16 (six months ago) link

10000 posts in and OL still doesn't realize that this mega franchise is in no way similar to anything else in existence in terms of pop culture dominance and sheer unavoidability, just a straight decade of acting like people are needlessly piling on some poor random movie and not the default interest of human beings under the age of 50

, Thursday, 10 December 2020 12:48 (six months ago) link

I thought my joek was pretty mild, sic, compared to the umpteenth hyperbolic claim that we are still collectively unable to avoid this franchise that hasn't had a new entry in (checks) 1.5 years now.

You will notice a small sink where your sofa once was. (Old Lunch), Thursday, 10 December 2020 13:23 (six months ago) link

you've been posting like this much longer than 1.5 years and will continue to do so after covid dies down and disney begins pummeling movie theaters with their franchises once more

, Thursday, 10 December 2020 13:31 (six months ago) link

Yeah probably, because I enjoy the MCU movies and enjoy posting about how I enjoy the MCU movies in the thread dedicated to the MCU movies.

You will notice a small sink where your sofa once was. (Old Lunch), Thursday, 10 December 2020 13:36 (six months ago) link

I've also posted about how Disney's business practices are increasingly fucked and how I don't enjoy that but please don't let me interrupt ya flow.

You will notice a small sink where your sofa once was. (Old Lunch), Thursday, 10 December 2020 13:38 (six months ago) link

plenty of people here are capable of talking about enjoying this franchise without acting like someone shot their dog whenever it's lightly criticized. i still care enough about it to watch them in theaters. meanwhile you immediately jumped into this poll after it was made with your dukes up looking to rehash the same arguments with the same posters. it doesn't have to be this way!

, Thursday, 10 December 2020 13:52 (six months ago) link

there is only #onethread but unfortunately it's the politics thread

DJP, Thursday, 10 December 2020 14:05 (six months ago) link

I'm done I'm done

Anyway dud

, Thursday, 10 December 2020 14:10 (six months ago) link

Eh, who cares about criticizing the MCU? Plenty of valid reasons to do so imo and even those of us that are big fans do it too, at least about specific decisions/ideas. For me, it's just exhausting that people feel the need to go out of their way to jump into the one active thread about the MCU to remind us all how much they hate the franchise and don't get how anyone could possibly enjoy it. What's the point? Considering we keep it to one rolling thread at a time to cover multiple films a year, and now multiple upcoming TV series, it's not like ILM is getting flooded with obnoxious MCU threads.

I don't know, it's just that people get understandably annoyed when someone randomly parachutes into, say, the yearly rolling rap thread to remind everyone that they can't stand rap. But somehow it just keeps happening on the MCU threads and even just pointing it out is someone the wrong thing to do?

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 10 December 2020 14:51 (six months ago) link

Understandable, but in that case it probably shouldn't be a Classic or Dud thread.

jmm, Thursday, 10 December 2020 14:58 (six months ago) link

Fair, I don't know if I understand the reason of why we are structuring them as such still.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 10 December 2020 15:01 (six months ago) link

there just needs to be a thread exclusively for stanning the MCU and The 1975

, Thursday, 10 December 2020 15:06 (six months ago) link

*runs to the Guy Fieri thread*

DJP, Thursday, 10 December 2020 15:12 (six months ago) link


jmm, Thursday, 10 December 2020 15:13 (six months ago) link

xp’s to sic – Obv. I’m aware of the Spider-Verse comics, which kicked off this trend – I was referring to there only being #OneSpidey in the sixties thru the eighties. (I acknowledge that the generation who began reading the comics in the early ’90s is also familiar with multiple Spider-Men; if not to the crazy extent of today.)

I mentioned the casting news to my son, and he just said, “They already did that!” (Then he added, “But this will be live-action, huh...”)

good karma, my aesthetic (morrisp), Thursday, 10 December 2020 15:19 (six months ago) link

Thought this was fun, exciting, well scripted, well performed, a story I haven’t seen before on television – the whole package. Some of the Kirby-tribute background shots were stunning. And it looks especially amazing considering almost every scene is basically just two people in a room talking, during a pandemic. Like Wandavision - and TFAWS, which did it badly - it feels like an actual comic book story, not just a blockbuster movie with comic book characters in it.

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 22 June 2021 17:00 (three days ago) link

Intrigued to figure out how they’ll do their usual thing and turn it into an airborne fight between two energy beings in the last half an hour.

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 22 June 2021 17:02 (three days ago) link

"warring timelines" will be the beams of light, obviously

Nhex, Tuesday, 22 June 2021 17:36 (three days ago) link

I look forward to getting stuck in to Loki based on what I've read here. WandaVision was so much fun but F&WS ultimately pretty boring and dour, and I couldn't give a shit about the Falcon's sister's damn boat.

chap, Tuesday, 22 June 2021 17:48 (three days ago) link

Guess you aren't gonna be waiting in line when the Falcon's Sister's Damn Boat film drops next year.

Jerome Percival Jesus (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 22 June 2021 18:15 (three days ago) link

I heard a rumor that the boat is actually Mephisto in disguise.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 22 June 2021 18:17 (three days ago) link

lol at the notion that umbrella academy somehow broke important new ground in comic book storylines

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 02:22 (two days ago) link

Yeah but the comment was "it'll remind a lot of people of The Umbrella Academy" which I think is fair enough as would imagine the majority of Netflix viewers who watched it don't read comics.

groovypanda, Wednesday, 23 June 2021 06:42 (two days ago) link

I only read the first volume of Umbrella Academy, did it develop a concept or storyline beyond "1989 Doom Patrol tribute band"?

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 07:15 (two days ago) link

funny you should say, given s1 of doom patrol was effectively “umbrella academy, but good”

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 11:51 (two days ago) link

the 1989 Doom Patrol was good

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Wednesday, 23 June 2021 20:39 (two days ago) link

Yo this show, it’s my shit

an eco-conscious Music Box (DJP), Thursday, 24 June 2021 02:12 (yesterday) link

the 1989 Doom Patrol was good

umbrella academy should have steered into that a bit more

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 24 June 2021 03:35 (yesterday) link

Holy shit, ep 3 is full-on a Doctor Who episode

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Thursday, 24 June 2021 04:14 (yesterday) link

Definitely that but relatedly some serious Douglas Adams vibes too, it wasn’t called an ark for nothing. Best episode yet, especially for being essentially a bottle episode at that.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 June 2021 05:02 (yesterday) link

Oh yeah, definitely caught some Hitchhiker vibes, too

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Thursday, 24 June 2021 05:40 (yesterday) link

There is a cast of dozens, almost none of the regulars appear, and all but one (used for thirty seconds) of the sets was new to this ep iirc - that's the opposite of a money-saving bottle episode!

Seems likely that Adams' Ark was inspired by Who, fwiw: he'd already been mailing pitches in when Doctor Who's serial The Ark In Space ran in 1975, and got a meeting & pitched a story called The Krikkitmen in 1976, directly to the author of Ark In Space, who was also the equivalent of a head writer/showrunner at the time*. Adams got his first freelance commission as a writer for the show by pitching with the pilot script of Hitchhikers in 1977, and had to get John Lloyd to write the later eps of the first series with/for him bcz he was busy with that Who four-parter.

Having gotten hired as a BBC radio producer after that first HHTTG series was produced, he became Who's "~showrunner~" six months later in October 1978, while his first serial as writer was going to air (his first obvious rewriting is on the final ep of Season 16). It took six months of rescheduled studio bookings to get the five episodes of Hitchhiker's second series - including the Golgafrincham B-Ark plotline - done, as Adams repeatedly failed to complete the scripts, due to simultaneously working on the HHTTG novel, stage play, LP and having a full-time day job on Who.

So Long And Thanks For All The Fish is basically the first** piece of Hitchhikers after the pilot episode that wasn't bashed out in a panic as a side-project from, or reworking of, Doctor Who!

* (Adams later rewrote the pitch as a Doctor Who And The Krikkitmen feature film in 1980, and re-rewrote as the third HHTTG novel when that went nowhere.) ((The first Dirk Gently novel is also a reworking of two of his Who serials, down to still including a TARDIS, dematerialising so the sofa gets stuck.))

** or only, if your headcanon rightly doesn't include Mostly Harmless.

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 24 June 2021 06:15 (yesterday) link

Well, conceptual bottle if you like, didn’t expect most of the episode to be the two of them just talking!

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 June 2021 06:23 (yesterday) link

the sicbot will not tolerate your puny human asides


terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 24 June 2021 06:50 (yesterday) link

Both the first two episodes also (seemed to me to be saving money by) having half the running time be two ppl in a room talking - either Wilson and Loki, or Wilson and boss. Though the sets look to be almost entirely digital, and I wonder if that's because it's cheaper, or just safer in covid times, and actually more expensive.

(This interview with the bloke who novelised Krikkitmen in 2018 claims that the Golgafrincham plot was actually reworked from a Who pitch that was rejected because he'd clearly been too closely inspired by Ark In Space! Which I've never heard before, but since this guy had access to Adams' archives in order to write these and other novelisations...)

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 24 June 2021 06:59 (yesterday) link

I appreciate all of Loki's confusing and elaborate metaphors.

This show looks really good for an MCU thingy - loved the purple skyline with the asteroids falling all around a dying planet

Roz, Thursday, 24 June 2021 10:42 (yesterday) link

Wasn't sure at first how I felt at first about the abrupt, Owen-free segue this episode but it won me over. Long unbroken action shots are turning out to be my crack, it seems, so I was a big fan of the end sequence.

Jerome Percival Jesus (Old Lunch), Thursday, 24 June 2021 11:06 (yesterday) link

Can we get the Loki show runner to take over Doctor Who and commission a Snowpiercer episode?

an eco-conscious Music Box (DJP), Thursday, 24 June 2021 12:23 (yesterday) link

Yes please - I still can’t get through the Chibnall era and it bums me out so much cause I love Jodie Whittaker.

Kate Herron is a director on Sex Education too, she seems pretty fantastic so far.

Roz, Thursday, 24 June 2021 13:26 (yesterday) link

The director of all the Capaldi Who two-part season finales is watching Loki:

Loki ep 3 (spoiler, opinion) -- first third pure Doctor Who, a really beautifully choreographed fight, 2nd third a lot of talking that's like, um, wha?, last third amazing action putting Who budget to bed in the first three shots. I found the action particularly engaging.

— Rachel Talalay (@rtalalay) June 24, 2021

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 24 June 2021 20:27 (yesterday) link

From the moment I joined @LokiOfficial it was very important to me, and my goal, to acknowledge Loki was bisexual. It is a part of who he is and who I am too. I know this is a small step but I’m happy, and heart is so full, to say that this is now Canon in #mcu #Loki 💗💜💙

— Kate Herron (@iamkateherron) June 23, 2021

Which is awesome though I did wonder if there are parts of the community who will be unhappy at the higher percentage of bi visibility that are now trickster gods of lies.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 24 June 2021 21:44 (yesterday) link

The FX and direction are *really• impressive. And somehow manages to be flamboyant without being Fukunaga-ishly "look at me!!!"

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 24 June 2021 21:58 (yesterday) link

"my sole personal intent in taking this job was to represent bisexuality by making it clear that the most self-interested and mendacious people in the world will take advantage of either binary gender if it suits their own nefarious purposes 🌈"

it worked for John Constantine though, so

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 24 June 2021 21:59 (yesterday) link

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