the Spielberg/Sorkin film about the trial of the Chicago Seven

i think ruminating on it overnight i’m more annoyed than i was

i love rylance so much & he was really great in this BUT
Kunstler was CRAZY TALL and embodied a human tornado even standing still so why is he being portrayed by an actor literally half his size with a completely different presence

and even the theatrics of the trial was watered down...Ginsberg’s om chant, Judy Collins singing, Kunstler’s Viet Cong flag...none of it’s there, which in itself loses something of the manic intensity of this time period ... it kinda bugs me even more now that all that stuff is removed.

Like if you were there, and you watched this movie, would you recognize any of it? or anyone?

and it’s not that it’s sanitized so much as ...it’s so much more lifeless. and maybe a little dishonest? Compared to what they all were like in the room, or out in the world.

i dunno.
i think i’m going through something guys, lol

For me, it was the lifelessness. I can put up with embellishment and inaccuracy (within reason) if the film has other compensations--I didn't think this one had much.

yeah thats whats sticking in my craw the most now

I suspect The Social Network takes lots of liberties, but I can watch that over and over...Did Sean Parker actually ever say "Drop the 'The'--just 'Facebook'"? Maybe, maybe not--who cares, it's a great moment.

Did Sean Parker actually ever say "Drop the 'The'--just 'Facebook'"? Maybe, maybe not--who cares, it's a great moment.

the thing is, most of these dudes were super articulate and interesting in real life, like, the idea that they felt the need to "re-write" Fred Hampton and some of Hoffman and Rubin's exploits just seems absurd to me. Like the latter dudes were kings of content creation. At least they kept the judge robes/cop uniform bit. ... Can't believe the movie omitted Pigasus in its entirety. Like, having this fictional undercover cop seduce Rubin ... but no fucking Pig for President, which actually happened?

if the goal was to make a relatively "feel good" simplified version of this historical event ... why the FUCK would you CUT OUT the fact they ACTUALLY BROUGHT A REAL LIVE PIG to the rally and had a ceremony announcing its candidacy??!!!!

I too am going through something ... so pissed right now about Pigasus

What I meant was that I don't mind if playing around with facts works dramatically. It didn't work here at all.

Pigasus high on the list of unforgivable omissions sarahell otm

https://d3h6k4kfl8m9p0.cloudfront.net/stories/ho4KrnLgJHCP3-gjRGSj-Q-small.jpg

https://flashbak.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/PA-12408291.jpg

this thread has a Dr. Morbius sized hole in it now ... :(

;_;

I have rarely felt more like Roger Ebert than I did while watching this film. It is probably bullshit for all of the reasons stated in this thread, and I'm sure there is some documentary that does these people and this story a much greater service than this film does, but as a slick Hollywood courtroom drama, I was involved and entertained. There is no way this is among the eight best films of this or any other year, but it is an example of the kind of movie that Hollywood does well--or at least used to do very well: I can imagine myself going to see it with my parents 25 or 30 years ago and all of us being caught up in it. Pile on me if you like, but please let me reiterate that I have no doubt that I am wrong about this movie and you are all correct.

Wow at PSH and Will Smith being some of the early potential casting.

Interesting Sorkin and Fincher chat.

xp I agree with you!

never saw Steal This Movie

actually didn't *hate* Sorkin's weird scolding bs but that was mostly due to performances and hey the guy can occasionally reel you in

i just watched this though and it's kind of rad? unfortunately some (certainly not all!) of the animated vignettes & voice perfs are clunky and the soundtrack is kind of uh not great. but a ton of nicely compiled video & audio footage (probably all available on youtube now). same guy who did the Robert Evans Kid Stays in the Picture fyi. anyway:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_10_(film)