Outkast poll #2: ATLiens

couple more remixes we did.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mdEtaMXMmRY

this was always the one that clicked for me over aquemini (and the subsequent ones aren't even close)

Random reactions listening to this after about 20 years when I used to listen to it a ton is that musically I love it, onp were so good, and outkast were underrated as producers, their flows went askew after the first album where they sounded so in sync like clipse or alkaholiks, they sounded less like a unit now, where I once thought these lyrics were deep, it turns out it just sounds like young guys thinking they are deep, believing they know so much, but actually dont, and why, presumably just cos they were feeling a little sad and had a big debut success, so now felt they had to do the slightly introspective or darker, slightly more jaded follow up. Great hooks though. I downloaded an instrumental version of it to ease my disappointment.

Strange actually as if you asked me in the late 90a I'd say this was obv their best album,but now I'd prob say stankonia or the debut. Turns out deep sounding thoughts arent always that deep, even if the music is.

I'm also willing to admit some stuff might be lost in translation by way of me not being southern and being British :)

actually it should be said that without the vocals, these tracks suck, lolh

gonna be less confrontational here, but i'm curious about which parts of this come off as fake deep or insincere?

and it seems like most of this criticism is directed towards andre? big boi is mostly still on his fly shit on this album.

it turns out it just sounds like young guys thinking they are deep, believing they know so much, but actually dont, and why, presumably just cos they were feeling a little sad

like a candyman post on a hiphop thread.

i felt the pressure like sun shining, while raining at the same time.
i kept on rhyming.
not complaining.

actually it should be said that without the vocals, these tracks suck, lolh

last summer i think i fell asleep to either this record or me against the world every night

you know what it is, its listneing to this as an adult, vs the memory of listening to it a ton as a teenager. coming back to it, and it just seemed like not such a big deal anymore. its also the way that musically it is much more subdued than their first album, which lends to the feeling of it being kinda 'deeper', or the expectation that it will be more... idk, reflective? when really, a lot of the lyrics on this would prob be just at home on beats from the first one. when i say these tracks suck without vocals, i mean, the tracks are great, but without the raps, it just doesnt feel complete, not that 'oh these beats suck' because as i wrote earlier, they are actually one of the best things about this album. anyway, for my money, the best songs are ET and growing old, and at the risk of causing outrage, you may die is perhaps the most affecting moment on the album.

cool.

also how does it feel to be totally incorrect about everything?

Just stop being a cunt for once. You want to be a smug twat, faux outraged about your sacred cows being talked about in a way that isnt received wisdom, just stick to the actual points, rather than ad hominem attacks.

It's pretty obv to anyone whos listened to their albums that atliens is the outlier, the one that sounds most unlike the rest, its actually a weirdly quiet album too, not in the way a roc marciano is, but they really committed to a much more introverted *sounding* aesthetic, and sustained it. I wonder if as they were such big native tongues fans if they purposely wanted to make something like their own de la soul is dead or low end theory. Or even j beez with the remedy, although it has much less musical range than those albums IMO as it's so much more minimal.

you’re allowed to criticize any album you like and austin is allowed to think your criticisms are inane

you’re not a bold truth teller for disliking an album that other people like

Does Austin need you as his wingman?

Never said I was some bold truth teller but an opinion that isnt consensus is surely ok.

wasn’t gonna do anything but flag your unnecessary insults but i decided to bump the thread in the off chance someone else wanted to flag it too

Unnecessary? Ha. Flag what you like.

Honestly am kinda tired of the ilxor.com inner cabal with their dogmatic agenda in what is and isnt ok to be uttered w/r/t rap and black music, never mind their personal attacks and delicate sensitivities. But you guys enjoy yourselves.

start a sub stack about it or something

anyway, elevators is the best song on here, but it wouldn’t have needed my help.

“mainstream” is my current fav, andre’s verse is packed with puns that teeter juuuust on the right side of corniness. also dig how he plays up his country side when paired with the goodie mob.

“my partners call me big boi but my first name is not steven”

when i say these tracks suck without vocals, i mean, the tracks are great, but without the raps, it just doesnt feel complete, not that 'oh these beats suck' because as i wrote earlier, they are actually one of the best things about this album.

Who would think that a rap album track would sound incomplete without the raps?

Rap! The Musical - all the fun of rap, without all that rap!

Piano concertos sound so incomplete without the piano.

I don't know what's so difficult about parsing "these instrumentals, which are great and one of the best things about the album, suck without the vocals, which I find to be pseudo-profound", as opposed to the music which truly is deep and therefore elevates the lyrics, tricking you into thinking they're legitimately deep.

Oops misplaced the end quote

gotta go. need to hit the pink floyd dark side of the moon thread with this copy:

you know what it is, its listneing to this as an adult, vs the memory of listening to it a ton as a teenager. coming back to it, and it just seemed like not such a big deal anymore. its also the way that musically it is much more subdued than their first album, which lends to the feeling of it being kinda 'deeper', or the expectation that it will be more... idk, reflective? when really, a lot of the lyrics on this would prob be just at home over music from the first one. when i say these tracks suck without vocals, i mean, the tracks are great, but without the vocals, it just doesnt feel complete, not that 'oh these musicians suck' because as i wrote earlier, they are actually one of the best things about this album. anyway, for my money, the best songs are on the run and any colour you like, and at the risk of causing outrage, breathe is perhaps the most affecting moment on the album.

also i'm always on the lookout for another wingman. please send applications to austin_needs_a_wing✧✧✧@doram✧✧✧.c✧✧ all applications automatically accepted and approved. welcome aboard.

LOL IT'S NOT A REAL EMAIL ADDRESS YOU STUPID ROBOT

WHAT AN ABSOLUTE FOOLE

"seeking wingman (no r*bots)"

a love supreme also very shitty w/o vocals, btw

It’s been a while but I’m getting huge “raccoon tanuki” vibes from the candyman in this thread

This is elevators easy for me but Millennium has a special place in my heart

The top 3 in this poll are my top three. I don't remember much about the other tracks.

new anniversary reissue coming with 14 instrumental tracks, sure to please the ilxor.com inner cabal with their dogmatic agenda

https://pitchfork.com/news/outkast-announce-25th-anniversary-reissue-of-atliens/

released twenty five years ago today. perfect album.

Their best

rt

my favorite rap record

it's up there

I should feel like shit for skipping "Decatur Psalm" eh

no. you're a good person and you don't deserve to feel bad.

(but that beat _is_ one of the album's best and i personally love to relish in it. you do you tho.)