it may be possible to argue against 'fatness is also not something in need of correcting', but that's also not something you correct in interactions with small groups of people. maybe let that influence policies you believe in or how you vote. don't assume a person with a bigger body is less healthy -- that's not how statistics work, or that you need to tell them they need to correct something. you are contributing directly to one of the health issues you claim to care about.
― seven day permanence (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 16 October 2020 16:43 (three years ago) link
xp Many people labeled obese are also malnourished
but this is a weird place to have this conversation
― nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 16 October 2020 16:44 (three years ago) link
the place where the conversation started seems like a fine place to have the conversation
― seven day permanence (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 16 October 2020 16:46 (three years ago) link
I Am Not A Doctor, but, a lot of health conditions that get linked colloquially to fatness are actually to do with other things like cholesterol or sodium intake, which sometimes can correspond with fatness but also often don't. picture the classic skinny nerd who eats nothing but chicken tenders and frozen pizza - this person is almost certainly less healthy, more in danger of heart disease, etc., than my fat friend who between her backyard garden and farmers' market job eats more fresh produce in a month than i eat in a year.
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 16 October 2020 16:49 (three years ago) link
also happy to move this to an on-topic thread. is there a decent one? i opened up "the right to be fat?", but as the question mark suggests, it does not appear to have been started in good faith and there's some pretty hateful shit right up at the top. maybe less bad more recently.
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 16 October 2020 16:58 (three years ago) link
what the fuck
― brimstead, Friday, 16 October 2020 17:03 (three years ago) link
you know how stet offered to set anybody up with their own boards? is there one of those out there with former female ilxors or formers ilxors with good taste in music?
― brimstead, Friday, 16 October 2020 17:05 (three years ago) link
hey I have an idea how about we start a poll where ilxors can tell us if they’re overweight or not
― brimstead, Friday, 16 October 2020 17:10 (three years ago) link
3 posts in, and i have no idea what you are trying to communicate.
― seven day permanence (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 16 October 2020 17:12 (three years ago) link
overeating plays a highly significant part in the obesity epidemic.
― Notes on Scampo (tokyo rosemary), Friday, 16 October 2020 17:17 (three years ago) link
xp I’m just here to make everybody uncomfortable
― brimstead, Friday, 16 October 2020 17:18 (three years ago) link
we’re all experts here
― brimstead, Friday, 16 October 2020 17:19 (three years ago) link
it just seems like this is a “controversy” that should have been put to bed awhile back. I don’t know a lot about proper public health strategies but I don’t think “shame” is a powerful long term motivator for anything really. It’s sanctimonious for non fat people to judge people for being fat, but so is this post.
― brimstead, Friday, 16 October 2020 17:22 (three years ago) link
signed a tall 150 pound man
― brimstead, Friday, 16 October 2020 17:23 (three years ago) link
sorry everybody I’m done
― brimstead, Friday, 16 October 2020 17:34 (three years ago) link
Honestly, the thing is that humans are flawed but entitled to self-determination, as long as they aren't harming others. The vast majority of the population does not live their lives to maximize their health and well-being based on scientific evidence. And because fat is visible, and (at least here in the US) culturally "bad" -- this aspect of imperfection gets focused on, as opposed to countless other human flaws that don't. Like, idk, being able to do arithmetic in your head -- people that can easily do arithmetic in their heads are probably statistically more likely to live better lives -- but there isn't a culture of "You should consider working on being able to arithmetic in your head. You'll feel a lot better once you can do this."
In short ... fat-shaming, for me, is less about the flawed science and social construct, but mostly about, "I am not perfect, and I will never attain perfection, because I am human, and you know what, neither will you, so shut the fuck up!"
― sarahell, Friday, 16 October 2020 17:47 (three years ago) link
Sarahell drops the truthbomb here
the thing is that humans are flawed but entitled to self-determination, as long as they aren't harming others
Right, and you can live the most textbookish "healthy" lifestyle possile, and still die stupidly because your house slides into the sea, or because Hope Hicks coughed on you, or because a rabid marmot bites your femoral artery.
― nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 16 October 2020 18:50 (three years ago) link
Which totally happened to someone who is a friend of my dentist's cousin's friend's roommate
― nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 16 October 2020 18:53 (three years ago) link
In other words, I'm not going to be posting the masturbating orangutan video in protest ... even though I do like burrito a lot― sarahell, Tuesday, October 13, 2020 10:08 AM (four days ago) bookmarkflaglink
― sarahell, Tuesday, October 13, 2020 10:08 AM (four days ago) bookmarkflaglink
thank you for going easier on me than some of the rabidly punitive shamemongers around here.
you're alright in my book ... even though I do like the masturbating orangutan video a lot
― the burrito that defined a generation, Saturday, 17 October 2020 23:12 (three years ago) link
little burr generator
― seven day permanence (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 18 October 2020 15:44 (three years ago) link
defined by the generation of burritos
― seven day permanence (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 18 October 2020 15:47 (three years ago) link
welcome back
To that same old place that you laughed about
― they see me lollin' (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 18 October 2020 18:57 (three years ago) link
Honestly, the thing is that humans are flawed but entitled to self-determination, as long as they aren't harming others. The vast majority of the population does not live their lives to maximize their health and well-being based on scientific evidence. And because fat is visible, and (at least here in the US) culturally "bad" -- this aspect of imperfection gets focused on, as opposed to countless other human flaws that don't. Like, idk, being able to do arithmetic in your head -- people that can easily do arithmetic in their heads are probably statistically more likely to live better lives -- but there isn't a culture of "You should consider working on being able to arithmetic in your head. You'll feel a lot better once you can do this."In short ... fat-shaming, for me, is less about the flawed science and social construct, but mostly about, "I am not perfect, and I will never attain perfection, because I am human, and you know what, neither will you, so shut the fuck up!"― sarahell, Friday, October 16, 2020 1:47 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink
― sarahell, Friday, October 16, 2020 1:47 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink
this is really good. there is still wisdom on ilx sometimes.
― treeship., Sunday, 18 October 2020 19:29 (three years ago) link
defined by the generation of burritos― seven day permanence (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, October 18, 2020
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 18 October 2020 19:40 (three years ago) link
Thursday, October 22, 2020 12:06 PM Site Three Word Username has been banned permanently. Seven day timeout. 21 FPs in the space of an hour
― peace, man, Thursday, 22 October 2020 16:15 (three years ago) link
20 of those were the same person tho
― Gab B. Nebsit (wins), Thursday, 22 October 2020 16:17 (three years ago) link
lol
― imago, Thursday, 22 October 2020 16:20 (three years ago) link
Really want his responses removed from that thread but i know why that would probably be a bad idea
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 22 October 2020 16:31 (three years ago) link
i understand the impulse but i also think it's in keeping with the spirit of both bill and ilx that, to quote Wesley Snipes, some motherfuckers are always trying to ice skate uphill
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 22 October 2020 16:39 (three years ago) link
The most fitting of tributes.
― Ilxor in the streets, Scampo in the sheets (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 22 October 2020 17:04 (three years ago) link
lol forks xp
― covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 22 October 2020 17:37 (three years ago) link
wondering why an edited post on 77 is showing up on Admin Log ... ? It shouldn't be, right?
― sarahell, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 16:42 (three years ago) link
maybe it only shows up for people with 77 access?
― just another 3-pinnochio post by (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 16:50 (three years ago) link
Think it would be best removed tho if poss
― big man on scampus (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 16:51 (three years ago) link
I can't see it. I can however see (Left) is unbanned, o joy.
― Young Boys of Bernie (Tom D.), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 16:55 (three years ago) link
It only shows to 77 members, yeah
― stet, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 18:08 (three years ago) link
aha!
so for future reference -- anyone who c&p's an admin log entry from 77 to this thread, yr post will get zapped in some clever yet loving way
― Rhonda!, Tuesday, 27 October 2020 18:38 (three years ago) link
Rhondaaaaaaaa
― just another 3-pinnochio post by (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 18:42 (three years ago) link
help me get it outta this thread
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 18:46 (three years ago) link
F5
― here we go, ten in a rona (onimo), Sunday, 1 November 2020 09:34 (three years ago) link
zondag 1 november 2020 15:40 Site the burrito that defined a generation has been banned permanently. Another 20 FPs, another seven day timeout
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/PersonalOrderlyElephantseal-small.gif
― A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 1 November 2020 16:44 (three years ago) link
Hard not to feel like he really wanted this one.
― error prone wolf syndicate (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 1 November 2020 16:45 (three years ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yo-yo_club
― Young Boys of Bernie (Tom D.), Sunday, 1 November 2020 16:47 (three years ago) link
boing boing burrito
― imago, Sunday, 1 November 2020 16:48 (three years ago) link
it's like Nude Spock never left.
― real muthaphuckkin jeez (crüt), Sunday, 1 November 2020 16:49 (three years ago) link
i think they came back just to turn up the heat a few notches
― just another 3-pinnochio post by (Karl Malone), Sunday, 1 November 2020 16:58 (three years ago) link
the diablo sauce packet has been opened
Hey Nudedon't be afraid
― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Sunday, 1 November 2020 17:00 (three years ago) link
take a bad postand make it worser
― you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 1 November 2020 17:01 (three years ago) link