Seriously, how well do you think "shoot 'em in the leg" plays with the most important of those "key Democratic voting constituencies" you referenced earlier, if his opponent wasn't so unabashedly evil?
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Thursday, 15 October 2020 02:37 (three years ago) link
Biden isn't highly popular though - his positives have just started to break 50% (against unabashed evil). He's just not hated.
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Thursday, 15 October 2020 02:38 (three years ago) link
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/joe_biden_favorableunfavorable-6677.htmlthese are old but up through June
somewhere else on RCP I saw the more recent numbers that are cresting 50% favorable
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Thursday, 15 October 2020 02:39 (three years ago) link
I'd also suggest that Tara Reade's account might have landed with more impact had it not come the same week most of the country locked down.
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Thursday, 15 October 2020 02:45 (three years ago) link
mighta coulda. You can beat a dead horse all you want, but passive aggressive vote withholding is not going to move the democratic party a micrometer.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 15 October 2020 02:52 (three years ago) link
Okay? (pssst, I voted for Biden at lunch today - in a state where I don't think he's going to win)
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Thursday, 15 October 2020 02:54 (three years ago) link
You seem to really want something to be mad at or a gotcha but as above, yes, the idea of leveraging votes has to be organized and demand concessions. No idea who you think is arguing otherwise.
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Thursday, 15 October 2020 02:57 (three years ago) link
counterfactuals are unprovable, but I also think any of the primary candidates that are better at talking in full sentences than Biden would have done better than him, in that alternate timeline. I think a world where Biden's record and mental acuity were the focus of prolonged media scrutiny would be bad for him
― Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Thursday, 15 October 2020 03:58 (three years ago) link
sorry, one primary - Iowa
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Thursday, 15 October 2020 04:09 (three years ago) link
Dem voters would have lined up behind Pete (or Harris, or etc) just as they did with Biden, noses held or not, because Trump. Doesn't seem controversial to me.
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Thursday, 15 October 2020 04:44 (three years ago) link
we're talking about a world without COVID
cool thought experiment bro
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 15 October 2020 04:50 (three years ago) link
The party power brokers' eagerness to clear the field for a doddering centrist sex pest rather than cede ground to the left is actually pretty important to think about in terms of future left strategy, brad.
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Thursday, 15 October 2020 05:28 (three years ago) link
Kind of weird to go "well you can't prove this!" or "cool thought experiment" this late into a discussion that started with milo saying Biden wouldn't be winning w/o covid and others disagreeing with that.
― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 15 October 2020 10:31 (three years ago) link
"Like what the fuck do you think is going to happen, 200,000 leftists in key swing states are going to spontaneously express their "discontent with the rightward drift of the party" by not voting or voting third party, Democrats will lose, and then four years from now they'll say "Man, we fucked up in 2020, we'd better nominate a socialist this time." I can't even begin to parse the cloudy thinking behind that idea."
This strategy, of organised abstention, could've been tried but the militancy isn't there at the moment. This organisation is not just for an election but it also flows at the workplace and at street-level too.
That should've been the strategy at this election and maybe every election until concessions are extracted.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 15 October 2020 11:01 (three years ago) link
daniel welcome to the non-linear world of message board conversation
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 15 October 2020 11:44 (three years ago) link
this whole convo started off as a non-sequitur in one of milo’s posts and is just a bunch of unprovable theorizing, which i guess qualifies this for a politics thread
i fucking hate joe biden’s guts but don’t think it’s necessarily guaranteed that he’d be losing to trump rn without covid but also we don’t live in that world and i hate this discussion
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 15 October 2020 11:48 (three years ago) link
just feels less like strategizing and more like a way of shoring up superiority, the cool new bernie would’ve won
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 15 October 2020 11:52 (three years ago) link
two ways forward for the left, form a worker's party or write choose yr own adventure books
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Thursday, 15 October 2020 11:55 (three years ago) link
or stock up on Campari.
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 October 2020 12:07 (three years ago) link
there's a reason Trump wanted to run against Bernie and not Biden. The "Commies are coming" campaign strategy is kind of laughable when deployed against Biden. Mayor Pete would have faced a strategy of "God is angry, our values are crumbling!" Biden's main weaknesses were all zeroed out because they applied to Trump as well--groping women, old, can't put sentences together.
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 15 October 2020 13:08 (three years ago) link
ah yes, noted master of 2020 campaign stratagems, Donald Trump
but seriously this is fuckin boring yall
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Thursday, 15 October 2020 13:24 (three years ago) link
yes, absolutely, split the left
― Bnad, Thursday, 15 October 2020 13:30 (three years ago) link
The "Commies are coming" campaign strategy is kind of laughable when deployed against Biden.
Mayor Pete would have faced a strategy of "God is angry, our values are crumbling!"
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Thursday, 15 October 2020 15:54 (three years ago) link
both of which are falling flat
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 15 October 2020 15:55 (three years ago) link
Because the culture war arguments of 1970 don't really work in 2020. They were going to be deployed, and fail, regardless.
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Thursday, 15 October 2020 15:56 (three years ago) link
Every republican and a sizable chunk of liberals are uncomfortable with socialism.
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 15 October 2020 16:43 (three years ago) link
Just as we can't pretend that there are no voters Bernie would have reached that Biden can't, we also can't pretend that there are no Biden voters that wouldn't have voted for Bernie. I don't know how to quantify which category is greater.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 15 October 2020 16:46 (three years ago) link
lol i thought "oh funny there must be some left podcaster dude named tim robbins too -- oh wow like THE tim robbins"
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 15 October 2020 17:04 (three years ago) link
Not a single Bull Durham joke, disappointing.
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Thursday, 15 October 2020 17:05 (three years ago) link
lol I had the same thought re Tim Robbins (in fact I thought "Oh wait, is that one of those repeat past guests?" probably conflating Tim Faust and some other guy in my mind)
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 15 October 2020 17:22 (three years ago) link
could not get through the Tim Robbins intvw tbh
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Thursday, 15 October 2020 17:54 (three years ago) link
Haven't listened yet but I imagine him to be one of those guests who kind of doesn't *get* the podcast and acts like he's on Terry Gross
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 15 October 2020 18:10 (three years ago) link
yeah not far off
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 15 October 2020 18:13 (three years ago) link
he knows he's with leftists, and laughs at some of the jokes, but his tone doesn't match the show as much as some other actors who have appeared
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 15 October 2020 18:16 (three years ago) link
The way he describes this Bobbo thing is the sort of deal they’d make fun of any other time, but it’s not very awkward except when he doesn’t believe their appreciation of “Mission to Mars.”
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Thursday, 15 October 2020 18:16 (three years ago) link
for half a sec I thought it was the I Think You Should Leave guy and was pretty excited
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Thursday, 15 October 2020 18:33 (three years ago) link
Da Bears
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Saturday, 17 October 2020 19:07 (three years ago) link
book looks fun & interesting. I remember in the earlier internet days, chained to my desk and being amused and curious about this nascent NH “free state project”. Luckily I was safely past my college libertarian phase and it didn’t go beyond point and lol
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Saturday, 17 October 2020 20:27 (three years ago) link
Matt’s Trump impression actually manages to get even worse over time. Someone please ban it.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Saturday, 17 October 2020 21:28 (three years ago) link
Too much Amber in the Sorkin ep
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Friday, 23 October 2020 20:54 (three years ago) link
MILO SHE READ THE TRANSCRIPTS!!
She's intolerable, just constantly cutting off everyone
Also, I'm a Felix fan but if you were too lazy to watch a movie for a podcast just dip out of the episode instead of trying to drop random jokes that don't land
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 26 October 2020 14:00 (three years ago) link
I watched a few minutes of the West Wing Thing Reunion Thing - Dave Anthony looks nothing like what I expected and Josh Olson looks 20 years younger than I would have guessed. He's got old guy voice.
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Monday, 26 October 2020 17:18 (three years ago) link
Olson seems like an absolute delight and a mensch. I've been listening to WWT during Covid and they get a surprising amount of mileage out of their righteous lefty anger vs smug Sorkin brain. really love how the intent at the outset was to just dunk on the politics, agreeing that the writing & performances were above reproach.,, but pretty quickly into the project degenerates into shock & dismay how painfully shitty the writing actually is once Sorkin's bag of tricks lose their novelty.
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Monday, 26 October 2020 19:02 (three years ago) link
this is exactly how i felt, maybe he needs to take a lil sabbatical (and do episode 1 for a few months to cleanse his palate) (but also mostly because he's great on e1)
― TRANCED INTO RADIOACTIVE PUREE (Will M.), Monday, 26 October 2020 21:20 (three years ago) link
Aren't they all on sabbatical? Seems like the regular feed and Patreon/Black Wolf feed combined are averaging 1/week for the last couple of months.
Which is too bad, because one of the recent ones pointed to a Biden Presidency and getting to shit talk Democrats in power might revitalize the show a bit.
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Monday, 26 October 2020 21:25 (three years ago) link
they're still doing an ep every 4 days or so. whether I actually listen depends largely on subject matter + lineup
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Monday, 26 October 2020 21:32 (three years ago) link
latest qanon anonymous, infiltrating and recording their conference, is amazing
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 18:08 (three years ago) link
btw i don't know maybe ppl know this already but found this site, easier than the reddit for black wolf
https://www.bullhorn.fm/blackwolffeedchapopremiumfeedb
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 18:09 (three years ago) link
Will’s dad died
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 18:19 (three years ago) link
aw, fuck.
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 18:26 (three years ago) link