I hate ILoveMusic, it's got too many POLLS - Artist Poll #104 - THE REPLACEMENTS - RESULTS

Kuleshov Replacement

May as well post another one methinks. I'll hopefully post 37-21 starting in about 7 hours...

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#38
Black Diamond
from Let It Be (1984)
Score: 112
Votes: 8 (0)
Youtube: audio track

I had it at number 8. Maybe their best hard rock performance, hardest best. A big improvement on the original, which I have barely heard *ducks*

Oh wait, maybe I am thinking of "Black Diamond Bay."

Tommy is a 10^x better bass player than Gene Simmons for one thing. Bob is a more interesting player than Ace. /challops4u

One of my favorite of Bob's many squealing leads. How to describe, like Johnny Thunders trying to be Prince?

*waits for Bob backlash*

I liked this from Xgau's review of PTTM:
https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?name=The+Replacements
Stinson's perpetually broken promise to harness the power of naked anarchy

Wonder where the other 7 BD voters are.

How to describe, like Johnny Thunders trying to be Prince?

omigod

and failing, hence its beauty

i'm late here and i didn't vote but i see "angels walk" didn't place among the solo tracks, which is ridiculous

Gotta love the 'Hard Luck Woman' rip on 'Unsatisfied' too.

the rhythm section is really tight on this one, which makes bob's solo even funnier

like Johnny Thunders trying to be Prince? and failing, hence its beauty...

Trouble Boys has a Westerberg quote along the lines of "Bob's fingers were fast, if not always accurate" and lauds his ability to occasionally fuck up gloriously; can't remember which song has a solo that Bob starts in the wrong key, then bends and mangles to make it work.

I laugh with Bob, not at him
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Black Diamond was #15 with a bullet on my ballot. I love their cover so much! Also the slightly moody (?) intro is a good fakeout

but i guess the orig song is kinda that way too

The original has some weird outro that they, um, wisely dispensed with.

Been dipping back into Trouble Boys because of this poll. So good. Had to avoid it for a long time because it was ultimately depressing.

I laugh with Bob, not at him
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― She Thinks I Will Dare (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, October 12, 2020 11:12 AM (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

of course

but i guess the orig song is kinda that way too

― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, October 12, 2020 11:17 AM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

the replacements do a better job with the intro, adding that little guitar lick before they start singing.

Right. The original starts with some twee Ren Faire ISB Brave SIr Robin instrumentation and vocals.

didn't vote for it but it's a great cover version, keeping the good stuff from the original, excising the bad, and adding a few fun elements (like the faint little "ooh" backing vocals during the intro).

lol yeah that medieval plucking is incredibly cheesy xp

it really is!

I found the quote of Paul talking about Bob's fingers, may post later.

I didn't vote for "Black Diamond" because I decided to go with no covers. But it is GREAT and many times better than the original.

Yup. I broke my no cover rule for that one

can't remember which song has a solo that Bob starts in the wrong key, then bends and mangles to make it work.

all of them?

Ha!

So I am reminded that Bob's stagewear choices of dresses, tutus and trenchcoats was directly influenced by Captain Sensible.

my appreciation for kiss began with "beth" and the replacements' "black diamond."

It’s pretty impressive, for what amounts to be a fairly straight cover version, how much better they made that song.

Believe I had it in my top 20 but there were moments I had “Black Diamond” a lot higher as it almost perfectly captures their whole act. A blistering rock number that, oh by the way, is a Kiss song.

Yup

I love the story in Trouble Boys about how the 'mats were doing some relatively high-profile label-showcase-type show in NYC, and Gene Simmons slinked in, trying to go unnoticed. The soundperson recognized him, and told the 'mats on their monitors (so that the audience couldn't hear) that Simmons was there. They immediately stopped whatever song they were playing and launched into "Black Diamond," while a baffled Simmons -- "How'd they know I'm here?!" -- slinked back out.

The rest of that story is great too!

She Thinks I Will Dare (James Redd and the Blecchs) at 8:38 12 Oct 20

One of my favorite of Bob's many squealing leads. How to describe, like Johnny Thunders trying to be Prince?

was off brand but I believe Bob was a big Yes fan

Yes, that is correct. Big Steve Howe fan.

Some webpages say he was also influenced by Prince, which is news to me. Trouble Boys says The Replacements were Prince fans and has stories about Paul and Tommy but nothing in particular about Bob.

feels pretty convenient, I doubt it.

bob was 20 by by time Prince was getting big
feel like you're true influences come earlier

and tbh it's not like Prince (though great) was really sui generis as a lead guitarist. like Bob would have grown up listening to Hendrix on KQRS

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#37
Take Me Down to the Hospital
from Hootenanny (1983)
Score: 138
Votes: 10 (0)
Youtube: audio track

It makes sense, but I was still a little surprised to see Johnny Winter cited in Trouble Boys as a formative influence on Bob.

I love the story in Trouble Boys about how the 'mats were doing some relatively high-profile label-showcase-type show in NYC, and Gene Simmons slinked in, trying to go unnoticed.

ultimately, it was his bold black/white makeup that gave him away

Ha. Jesperson was at the soundboard, saw him and told the 'Mats on the talkback.

Robert Neil Stinson. Born 12/17/59. Replacements founder, guitarist extraordinaire: “I ended up sounding like Johnny Winter but I like to put a Steve Howe lick in. Really, I sound like me. I like the guitar. When I'm in a certain mood I can pick it up and it sounds like me." pic.twitter.com/ADawsDzrZS

— Bob Mehr (@BobMehr) December 17, 2018

one of the defining things about Minnesota punk was that there was no "year zero" movement, all those bands held sometimes unfashionable pre punk influences, and just regular 70s dirtbag midwest rocker shit

huskers obv repping the beatles in hardcore, etc...suicide commandos were def "a quick one while he's away" etc etc

What was the deal with the suicide commandos? Steve Almaas always seemed to be some kind of shadowy figure. He started some band I used to go see a lot long after he had since left, that being Beat Rodeo. Maybe once somebody pointed him out in a crowd to me.

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#36
Portland
outtake from Don't Tell a Soul sessions (1989)
Score: 146
Votes: 12 (0)
Youtube: audio track 1
Youtube: audio track 2 (Bearsville Version)

still a little surprised to see Johnny Winter cited in Trouble Boys as a formative influence on Bob

if you were in high school in the mid '70s and you were a serious rock and roll dude, johnny winter and yes were both very present in your life. and bad company. and the doobie bros. and jeff beck. and the entirety of the ILM classic rock poll.

What was the deal with the suicide commandos? Steve Almaas always seemed to be some kind of shadowy figure. He started some band I used to go see a lot long after he had since left, that being Beat Rodeo. Maybe once somebody pointed him out in a crowd to me.

― She Thinks I Will Dare (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, October 12, 2020 3:48 PM (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

to me they are the fucking greatest....Make a Record one of the smartest, funniest, best written punk records...they were so melodic and had a real 60s sensibility even as they were hyper

Chris Osgood (singer) was really the most influential man in Mpls punk, he mentored a lot of people including Bob Mould, the Suburbs, etc.

the Replacements/Husker Du are really second generation, the original (Jay's Longhorn as opposed to 7th St Entry) scene were older people, more kinda intellectual boomers like the NY scene

the Commandos were THE band when the Replacements etc were still forming

but I don't know, the record is out there and it's definitely a favorite of mine and glad I got to see them do reunions over the years.

Aalmas wasn't around as much he moved to NY and would come back for reunions but that's about it so I don't know too much about him...but I def got a "vibe" that he might have been into darker stuff...

here's a great interview with Osgood with Mary Lucia (aka Mary Westerburg, Paul's sister)

https://www.thecurrent.org/feature/2017/05/16/mary-lucia-chris-osgood-the-godfather-of-punk

here's "Complicated Fun" from Big Hits of Mid America Vol. 3 on Twin Town, about the best Mpls rock song still to me at least

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiWqT7a0EjM