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I was hoping you’d chime in! The Auer sounds like an excellent recommendation indeed. Ex-ILXor Tim Rutherford-Johnson’s Music After the Fall also seems like a great read if you’re interested in contemporary (post-1989) music, but I’ve yet to read it myself.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 30 September 2020 14:52 (three years ago) link

*Auner, sorry.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 30 September 2020 14:53 (three years ago) link

Ha, I didn't know he was an ilxor!

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Wednesday, 30 September 2020 19:29 (three years ago) link

wow these are such helpful responses, thank you! I'll try to respond more fully at some point but I really appreciate the guidance

rob, Wednesday, 30 September 2020 23:00 (three years ago) link

Alex Bougie doing a concert of contemporary guitar music here rn: https://www.twitch.tv/concertsfortheendoftime . Should be archived. I'll pass on the link.

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Saturday, 3 October 2020 23:35 (three years ago) link

Ha, he's playing a progressive metal-inspired piece by Bredeson rn that was introduced with "time to djent". A lot of palm-muted downstrokes.

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Sunday, 4 October 2020 00:03 (three years ago) link

lol

https://www.therestisnoise.com/2020/10/julian-anderson-on-the-rest-is-noise.html

I've bitched about Ross before but if there's one thing you can't say about The Rest Is Noise, it's that it doesn't give Sibelius his much-deserved due. I mean, it's one of the book's most memorable aspects, and I read it more than a decade ago. Nielsen does get a bit shortchanged, though.

In other news, I'm happy to see Ross rep for Bára Gísladóttir.

pomenitul, Sunday, 11 October 2020 14:02 (three years ago) link

Ha, I think Ross's adoration of Sibelius was the first thing I commented on after reading that book.

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Sunday, 11 October 2020 16:04 (three years ago) link

Ha, I think Ross's adoration of Sibelius was the first thing I commented on after reading that book.


Yeah it made me go back and really pay attention to Sibelius and find that Adorno was totally wrong about him.

Boring, Maryland, Sunday, 11 October 2020 16:24 (three years ago) link

The only Adornian musical challop I vaguely agree with is that Stravinsky is overrated. He was utterly wrong about Sibelius, though, and even wronger about jazz, although I have read some spirited defences of his disdain for the latter, the argument being that he disliked not so much the 'artsier' jazz that was still to come (a debatable claim to begin with), and that he never deigned explore anyway, but rather the swingy and commercial big bands of the 1930s and 1940s, which to him were just the noise made by American capitalism.

Anyway, Philippe Lacoue-Labarthe had a good piece about the ambiguity of Entkunstung (dis-artification? Lacoue-Labarthe gives a punny translation in the original French: désart), a concept Adorno utilized to deny jazz the mantle of 'art' and that paradoxically plays an essential role in Adorno's own understanding of modern art as deliberately turning on itself and running the risk of self-destruction, which perhaps implies that jazz is, in fact, the most modernist art of all according to Adorno. But I digress…

pomenitul, Sunday, 11 October 2020 16:57 (three years ago) link

he disliked not so much the 'artsier' jazz that was still to come (a debatable claim to begin with), and that he never deigned explore anyway, but rather the swingy and commercial big bands of the 1930s and 1940s, which to him were just the noise made by American capitalism

Isn't this true? I always thought he was writing about the pop music of the 30s and 40s, essentially - big bands and crooners, mainly. The tunes he refers to by name are "Deep Purple" and "Sunrise Serenade".

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Sunday, 11 October 2020 17:07 (three years ago) link

I mean, I don't think he was a fan of bebop or free jazz either but I doubt it would have been for the same reasons?

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Sunday, 11 October 2020 17:08 (three years ago) link

He seemed unwilling to engage with jazz beyond those commercial acts, so I think it's fair to take him to task for a stubborn shortsightedness that he never really made up for even later in life. He 'figured it out' in the 1930s and never departed from that assessment.

pomenitul, Sunday, 11 October 2020 17:17 (three years ago) link

Actually, I just came across this quote of Adorno's (from 1953) where he explicitly rejects the distinction between commercial jazz and its other:

The real conflict is about the distinction between 'authentic' and 'commercial' Jazz, which is, according to Berndt, 'foundational for any study of jazz'. He thinks that this discussion is not known to me, but my essay attacked it and therefore cannot accept its demand.

pomenitul, Sunday, 11 October 2020 17:23 (three years ago) link

Oops, forgot to block quote it.

pomenitul, Sunday, 11 October 2020 17:24 (three years ago) link

Ah, OK, I haven't read that 1953 piece.

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Sunday, 11 October 2020 17:38 (three years ago) link

Fuck adorno tbh

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Sunday, 11 October 2020 22:44 (three years ago) link

wrong

budo jeru, Sunday, 11 October 2020 23:17 (three years ago) link

anyway ... xenakis listening thread ?

budo jeru, Sunday, 11 October 2020 23:17 (three years ago) link

I’m still up for it.

pomenitul, Monday, 12 October 2020 00:12 (three years ago) link

List of works from Oxford Music Online (somehow I didn't know or remember that Kraanerg was written for the opening of the NAC and was premiered here!):

Orchestral:
Anastenaria: le sacrifice, orch (51 insts), 1953, sketch
Metastaseis, 1953–4; SWF SO, cond. H. Rosbaud, Donaueschingen, 16 Oct 1955
Pithoprakta, 1955–6; Bavarian RSO, cond. H. Scherchen, Munich, 8 March 1957
Achorripsis, 21 insts, 1956–7; Colón cond. Scherchen, Buenos Aires, 20 July 1958
Duel, 2 small orchs, 1959; Radio Hilversum PO, cond. D. Masson and F. Terby, Hilversum, 18 Oct 1971
Syrmos, 12 vn, 3 vc, 3 db, 1959; Ensemble Instrumental de Musique Contemporaine, cond. Simonović, Paris, 20 May 1969
Stratégie, 2 small orchs, 1959–62; Venice Festival Orchestra, cond. B. Maderna and C. Simonović, 25 April 1963
ST/48, 48 insts, 1959–62; Orchestre Philharmonique de l’ORTF, cond. L. Foss, Paris, 21 Oct 1968
Akrata, 16 wind, 1964–5; cond. Simonović, Paris, 1965
Terretektorh, 1966; Orchestre Philharmonique de l’ORTF, cond. Scherchen, Royan, 3 April 1966
Polytope, 4 orch groups, 1967; Ensemble Instrumental de Musique Contemporaine, cond. Simonović, Montreal, Expo 67, 1967
Nomos gamma, 1967–8; Orchestre Philharmonique de l’ORTF, cond. C. Bruck, Royan, 4 April 1969
Kraanerg (ballet), orch, tape, 1968; Ottawa, June 1969
Synaphaï, pf, orch, 1969; Pludermacher, cond. M. Tabachnik, Royan, 6 April 1971
Antikhthon (ballet), 1971; cond. Tabachnik, Bonn, Festival Xenakis, 21 Sept 1974
Eridanos, 8 brass, str orch, 1973; Ensemble Européen de Musique Contemporaine cond. Tabachnik, La Rochelle, 13 April 1973
Erikhthon, pf, orch, 1974; C. Helffer, Orchestre de l’ORTF, cond. Tabachnik, Paris, 21 May 1974
Noomena, 1974; Orchestre de Paris, cond. G. Solti, Paris, 16 Oct 1974
Empreintes, 1975; Netherlands Radio PO, cond. Tabachnik, La Rochelle, 29 June 1975
Jonchaies, 1977; Orchestre National de France, cond. Tabachnik, Paris, 21 Dec 1977
Aïs, amp Bar, perc, orch, 1980; S. Sakkas, Gualda, Bavarian RSO, cond. Tabachnik, Munich, 13 Feb 1981
Pour les baleines, str, 1982; Orchestre Colonne, cond. D. Masson, Orléans, 2 Dec 1983
Lichens, 1983; Liège PO, cond. Bartholomée, Liège 16 April 1984
Shaar, str, 1983; Jerusalem Sinfonietta, cond. J.- P. Izquierdo, Tel Aviv, 3 Feb 1983
Alax, 3 ens of 10 insts (fl, cl, 2 hn, trbn, hp, perc, vn, 2 vc), 1985; Ensemble Modern, Ensemble Köln, Gruppe Neue Musik Hanns Eisler, cond. E. Bour, Cologne, 15 Sept 1985
Horos, 1986; Japan PO, cond. H. Iwaki, Tokyo, 24 Oct 1986
Keqrops, pf, orch, 1986; R. Woodward, New York PO, cond. Z. Mehta, New York, 13 Nov 1986
Ata, 1987; SWF SO, cond. M. Gielen, Baden-Baden, 3 May 1988
Tracées, 1987; Orchestre National de Lille, cond. J.-C. Casadeus, Paris, 17 Sept 1987
Kyania, 1990; Montpellier PO, cond. Z. Peskó, Montpellier, 7 Dec 1990
Tuorakemsu, 1990; Shinsei Nippon Orchestra, cond. H. Iwaki, Tokyo, 9 Oct 1990
Dox-Orkh, vn, orch, 1991; Arditti, BBC SO, London, cond. A. Tamayo, Strasbourg, 6 Oct 1991
Krinòïdi, 1991; Orchestra Sinfonica dell’Emilia-Romagna ‘Arturo Toscanini’, cond. R. Encinar, Parma, May 1991
Roáï, 1991; Berlin RSO, cond. O. Henzold, Berlin, 24 March 1992
Troorkh, trbn, orch, 1991; C. Lindberg, Swedish RSO, cond. E.-P. Salonen, Stockholm, 26 March 1993
Mosaïques, 1993; Orchestre des Jeunes de la Méditerranée, cond. Tabachnik, Marseilles, 23 July 1993
Dämmerschein, 1993–4; Cologne RSO, cond. Peskó, Lisbon, 9 June 1994
Koïranoï 1994; NDR SO, cond. Peskó, Hamburg, 1 March 1996
Ioolkos, 1995; SWF SO, cond. K. Ryan, Donaueschingen, 20 Oct 1996
Voile, str, 1995; Munich Chamber Orchestra, cond. C. Poppen, Munich, 16 Nov 1995
Sea-Change, 1997; BBC SO, cond. A. Davis, London, 23 July 1997
O-Mega, perc solo, chbr orch, 1997; E. Glennie, London Sinfonietta, cond. M. Stenz, Huddersfield, 30 Nov 1997

Choral:
Zyia (folk), S, male vv (10 minimum), fl, pf, 1952; cond. R. Safir, Evreux, 5 April 1994
Anastenaria: procession aux eaux claires, SATB (30vv), male choir (15vv), orch (62 insts), 1953, sketch
Polla ta dhina (Sophocles: Antigone), children’s vv, wind, perc, 1962; cond. Scherchen, Stuttgart, 25 Oct 1962
Hiketides: les suppliates d’Eschyle, 50 female vv, 10 insts/orch, 1964; cond. Simonović, Paris, 1968
Oresteïa (incid music/concert work, Aeschylus), chorus, 12 insts, 1965–6; cond. Simonović, Ypsilanti, MI, 14 June 1966
Medea (incid music, Seneca), male vv, orch, 1967; cond. Masson, Paris, 29 March 1967
Nuits, 3 S, 3 A, 3 T, 3 B, 1967–8; cond. M. Couraud, Royan, 7 April 1968
Cendrées, chorus, orch, 1973–4; cond. Tabachnik, Lisbon, 20 June 1974
A Colone (Sophocles), male/female vv (20 minimum), 5 hn, 3 trbn, 6 vc, 4 db, 1977; Metz, 19 Nov 1977
A Hélène, Mez, female vv, 2 cl, 1977; Epidavros, July 1977
Anemoessa (phonemic text), SATB (42 minimum), orch, 1979; cond. R. Dufallo, Amsterdam, 21 June 1979
Nekuïa (phonemes and text from J.-P. Richter: Siebenkäs and Xenakis: Ecoute), SATB (54 minimum), orch, 1981; cond. Tabachnik, Cologne, 26 March 1982
Pour la Paix (Xenakis), SATB, 2 female spkrs, 2 male spkrs, tape (UPIC), 1981, version for SATB (32 minimum); cond. M. Tranchant, Paris, 23 April 1982
Serment-Orkos (Hippocrates), SATB (32 minimum), 1981; Greek Radio Choir, Athens, 1981
Chant des Soleils (Xenakis, after P. du Mans), SATB, children’s choir, 18 brass 6 (hn, 6 tpt, 6 trbn) or multiple, perc, 1983; Nord-Pas-de-Calais [simultaneous performance in several towns of the region], 21 June 1983
Idmen A/Idmen B (phonemes from Hesiod: Theogony), SATB (64 minimum), 4/6 perc, 1985; Antifona de Cluj, Les Percussions de Strasbourg, Strasbourg, 24 July 1985
Knephas (phonemes by Xenakis), SATB (32 minimum), 1990; cond. J. Wood, London, 24 June 1990
Pu wijnuej we fyp (A. Rimbaud), children’s choir, 1992; cond. D. Dupays, Paris, 5 Dec 1992
Vakchai Evripidou (Les Bacchantes d' Euripide), Bar, female vv (also playing maracas), pic, ob, dbn, hn, tpt, trbn, 3 perc, 1993; J. Dixon, cond. N. Kok, London, 1 Sept 1993
Sea-Nymphs (phonemes from W. Shakespeare: The Tempest), SATB (24 minimum), 1994; cond. S. Joly, London, 16 Sept 1994

Other vocal:
Tripli zyia, 1v, pf, 1952, unpubd
Trois poèmes (F. Villon: Aiés pitié de moy, V. Mayakovsky: Ce soir je donne mon concert d’adieux, Ritsos: Earini Symphonia [Spring Symphony]), 1v, pf, 1952, unpubd
La colombe de la paix, A, 4vv (SATB), 1953, unpubd
Stamatis Katotakis (table song), 1v, male vv, 1953, unpubd
N’shima, 2 Mez/A, 2 hn, 2 trbn, vc, 1975; cond. J.-P. Izquierdo, Jerusalem, Feb 1976
Pour Maurice, Bar, pf, 1982; S. Sakkas, C. Helffer, Brussels, 18 Oct 1982
Kassandra (Aeschylus), Bar + 20str psalterion, perc, 1987; Sakkas, Gualda, Gibellina, 21 Aug 1987 [second part of Oresteïa: see CHORAL]
La déesse Athéna (Aeschylus), Bar, pic, ob, E♭ cl, db cl, dbn, hn, pic tpt, trbn, tuba, perc, vc, 1992; Sakkas, cond. Tabachnik, Athens, 3 May 1992 [scene from Oresteïa: see CHORAL]

Chamber:
Dipli Zyia, vn, vc, 1951, unpubd
ST/4, str qt, 1956–62; Bernède Quartet, Paris, 1962
ST/10, cl, b cl, 2 hn, hp, perc, str qt, 1956–62 cond. Simonović, Paris, May 1962
Morsima-Amorsima, pf, vn, vc, db, 1956–62; cond. Foss, Athens, 16 Dec 1962
Analogique A, 9 str, 1958 [must be performed with tape work Analogique B]; cond. Scherchen, Gravesano, summer 1959
Amorsima-Morsima, cl, b cl, 2 hn, hp, perc, str qt; cond. Foss, Athens, 1962
Atrées, fl, cl, b cl, hn, tpt, trbn, 2 perc, vn, vc, 1962; cond. Simonović, Paris, 1962
Eonta, 2 tpt, 3 trbn, pf, 1963–4; cond. P. Boulez, Paris, 16 Dec 1964
Anaktoria, cl, bn, hn, str qt, db, 1969; Octuor de Paris, Avignon, 3 July 1969
Persephassa, 6 perc, 1969; Les Percussions de Strasbourg, Persepolis, 9 Sept 1969
Aroura, 12 str, 1971; cond. Tabachnik, Lucerne, 24 Aug 1971
Charisma, cl, vc, 1971; Royan, 6 April 1971
Linaia-Agon, hn, trbn, tuba, 1972; cond. Tabachnik, London, 26 April 1972
Phlegra, 11 insts, 1975; cond. Tabachnik, London, 28 Jan 1976
Epeï, eng hn, cl, tpt, 2 trbn, db, 1976; cond. S. Garant, Montréal, 9 Dec 1976
Retours-Windungen, 12 vc, 1976; Berlin PO, Bonn, 20 Feb 1976
Dmaathen, ob, perc, 1976; N. Post, J. Williams, New York, May 1977
Akanthos, 9 insts, 1977; Ensemble Studio 111, Strasburg, 17 June 1977
Ikhoor, str trio, 1978; Trio à Cordes Français, Paris, 2 April 1978
Dikhthas, vn, pf, 1979; S. Accardo, B. Canino, Bonn, 4 June 1980
Palimpsest, eng hn, b cl, bn, hn, perc, pf, str qnt, 1979; cond. S. Gorli, Aquila, 3 March 1979
Pléïades, 6 perc, 1979; Les Percussions de Strasbourg, Strasbourg, 17 May 1979
Komboï, amp hpd, perc, 1981; Chojnacka, Gualda, Metz, 22 Nov 1981
Khal Perr, brass qnt, 2 perc, 1983; Quintette Arban, Alsace Percussions, Beaune, 15 July 1983
Tetras, str qt, 1983; Arditti String Quartet, Lisbon, 8 June 1983
Thalleïn, pic, ob, cl, bn, hn, pic tpt, trbn, perc, pf, str qnt, 1984; cond. E. Howarth, London, 14 Feb 1984
Nyûyô [Setting Sun], shakuhachi, sangen, 2 koto; 1985; Angers, Ensemble Yonin-No Kai (Tokyo), 30 June 1985
Akea, pf, str qt, 1986; Helffer, Arditti String Quartet, Paris, 15 Dec 1986
A l’Ile de Gorée, amp hpd, pic, ob, cl, bn, hn, tpt, str qnt, 1986; cond. Kerstens, Amsterdam, 4 July 1986
Jalons, pic, ob, b cl, db cl, dbn, hn, tpt, trbn, tuba, hp, str qnt, 1986; cond. Boulez, Paris, 26 Jan 1987
XAS, sax qt, 1987; Raschèr Quartet, Lille, 17 Nov 1987
Waarg, pic, ob, cl, bn, hn, tpt, trbn, tuba, str qnt, 1988; cond. Howarth, London, 6 May 1988
Echange, solo b cl, fl, ob, cl, bn, hn, tpt, trbn, tuba, str qnt, 1989; H. Sparnaay, cond. Porcelijn, Amsterdam, 26 April 1989
Epcycle, solo vc, fl, ob, cl, hn, tpt, trbn, tuba, 2 vn, va, db, 1989; R. de Saram, Spectrum Ensemble, cond. G. Protheroe, London, 18 May 1989
Okho, 3 djembés, tall African drum, 1989; Trio Le Cercle, Paris, 20 Oct 1989
Ophaa, hpd, perc, 1989; Chojnacka, Gualda, Warsaw, 17 Sep 1989
Tetora, str qt, 1990; Arditti String Quartet, Witten, 27 Apr 1991
Paille in the wind, vc, pf, 1992; J. Scalfi, Woodward, Milan, 14 Dec 1992
Plektó, fl, cl, perc, pf, vn, vc, 1993; cond. R. Platz, Witten, 24 April 1994
Ergma, str qt, 1994; Mondrian String Quartet, The Hague, 17 Dec 1994
Mnamas Xapin Witoldowi Lutoslavskiemu [In Memory of Witold Lutosławski], 2 hn, 2 tpt, 1994; cond. W. Michniewki, Warsaw, 21 Sept 1994
Kaï, fl, cl, bn, tpt, trbn, vn, va, vc, db, 1995; cond. D. Coleman, Oldenburg, 12 Nov 1995
Kuïlenn, fl, 2 ob, 2 cl, 2 bn, 2 hn, 1995; Netherlands Wind Ensemble, Amsterdam, 10 June 1996
Hunem-Iduhey, vn, vc, 1996; E. Michell, O. Akahoshi, New York, 9 Aug 1996
Ittidra, str sextet, 1996; Arditti String Quartet, T. Kakuska (va), V. Erben (vc), Frankfurt, 4 Oct 1996
Roscobeck, vc, db, 1996; R. de Saram, S. Scordanibbio, Cologne, 6 Dec 1996
Zythos, trbn, 6 perc, 1996; Lindberg, Kroumata Ensemble, Birmingham, 10 April 1997

Solo instrumental:
Seven piano pieces without title, Menuet, Air populaire, Allegro molto, Mélodie, Andante, pf, 1949–50, unpubd
Suite, pf, 1950–51, unpubd
Thème et conséquences, pf, 1951, unpubd
Herma, pf, 1960–61
Nomos alpha, vc, 1965–6; S. Palm, Bremen, 5 May 1966
Mikka, vn, 1971; I. Gitlis, Paris, 27 Oct 1972
Evryali, pf, 1973; C. Helffer, Paris, 1974
Gmeeoorh, org, 1974; C. Holloway, U. of Hartford, CT, 1974
Psappha, perc, 1975; S. Gualda London, 2 May 1976
Theraps, db, 1975–6; F. Grillo, 26 March 1976
Khoaï, hpd, 1976; E. Chojnacka, Cologne, 5 May 1976
Mikka ‘S’, vn, 1976; R. Pasquier, Orléans, 11 March 1976
Kottos, vc, 1977; M. Rostropovich, La Rochelle, 28 June 1977
Embellie, va, 1981; G. Renon-McLaughlin, Paris, 1981
Mists, pf, 1981; Woodward, Edinburgh, 1981
Naama, amp hpd, 1984; Chojnacka, Luxembourg, 20 May 1984
Keren, trbn, 1986; B. Sluchin, Strasbourg, 19 Sept 1986
A r. (Hommage à Ravel), pf, 1987; H. Austbö, Montpellier, 2 Aug 1987
Rebonds, perc, 1988; Gualda, Rome, 1 July 1988

Tape
some works exist in one or more revised realizations

Diamorphoses, 2-track, 1957–8; Brussels, 5 Oct 1958
Concret PH, 2-track, 1958; Brussels, Philips Pavilion, 1958
Analogique B, 2-track, 1958–9 [must be performed with chbr work Analogique A]; cond. Scherchen, Gravesano, summer 1959
Orient-Occident, 2-track, 1960; Cannes, May 1960
The Thessaloniki World Fair (film score), 1-track, 1961
Bohor, 4-track, 1962; Paris, 15 Dec 1962
Hibiki Hana Ma, 12-track, 1969–70; Osaka, Expo 70, 1970
Persépolis, 8-track, 1971; Persepolis, 26 Aug 1971
Polytope de Cluny, 8-track, lighting, 1972; Paris, 17 Oct 1972
Polytope II, tape, lighting, 1974; Paris, 1974
La legénde d'Eer (Diatope), 4- or 8-track, 1977; Paris, 11 Feb 1978
Mycenae alpha, 2-track, UPIC, 1978; Mycenae, 2 Aug 1978
Taurhiphanie, 2-track, UPIC, 1987; Arles, 13 July 1988
Voyage absolu des Unari vers Andromède, 2-track, UPIC; Osaka, 1 April 1989
GENDY3, 2-track, Dynamic Stochastic Synthesis, 1991; Metz, 17 Nov 1991
S 709, 2-track Dynamic Stochastic Synthesis, 1994; Paris, 2 Dec 1994

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Monday, 12 October 2020 01:51 (three years ago) link

That's... a lot of music.

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Monday, 12 October 2020 01:52 (three years ago) link

I'm totally up for doing it but how do you think we should we tackle it? Should we limit ourselves to orchestral music maybe?

I guess I'd be lonesome (Sund4r), Monday, 12 October 2020 02:00 (three years ago) link

Heh, no kidding.

I honestly think we should do it wholesale, even if it takes a full year. I’ve been getting into a more patient listening groove lately...

pomenitul, Monday, 12 October 2020 02:05 (three years ago) link

Maybe pick about 45m-1h of music from all genres a week, going chronologically?

I guess I'd be lonesome (Sund4r), Monday, 12 October 2020 02:30 (three years ago) link

Sounds like a plan.

pomenitul, Monday, 12 October 2020 02:39 (three years ago) link

works for me

budo jeru, Monday, 12 October 2020 11:22 (three years ago) link

enjoyed Philip Corner's Chord Gong! (with Carles Santos), four-hand versions of Corner’s “Chord” and “Gong!”: https://unseenworlds.bandcamp.com/album/chord-gong-with-carles-santos

actually, I've liked everything Unseen Worlds has released this year

here 1st (roxymuzak), Saturday, 24 October 2020 22:04 (three years ago) link

This might be the dumbest woke classical music take yet (by a UMass Amherst theorist): https://slate.com/culture/2020/10/fullname-famous-composers-racism-sexism.html

I guess I'd be lonesome (Sund4r), Sunday, 25 October 2020 20:00 (three years ago) link

Collaborative Arts Chicago streaming a concert of art song by modern women composers tonight: https://www.caichicago.org/broadcast.html

Programme: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xF2RFfp5Wg3rhCH4NEzDwFY7-7BRlTuO/view

I guess I'd be lonesome (Sund4r), Monday, 26 October 2020 01:56 (three years ago) link

On that fullname thing, I thought someone who was as universally known as Beethoven or Mozart was referred to by last name only because of their fame? I can see a case for Schumann, since there are two of close to equal standing. But if I said Bach, would you assume I meant CPE, or Johann Sebastian? Price is almost known enough to be referred to by surname, but really, why try that when she's still a forgotten composer? New composers aren't known yet, why would you say "the Blanchard" if I'm not going to know what that is?

Iannis Xenakis double fisting Cutty Sark (Tom Violence), Monday, 26 October 2020 12:31 (three years ago) link

Yes. It's true that white men dominate the European art music canon but the fairly obvious reasons for that precede their 'last-naming'. People do say "Ellington" or "Oliveros". Demanding that people say "Ludwig van Beethoven" every time will not help women or minorities and if anything just seems even more alienating and exclusionary to a general audience. As a nonwhite composer, this is certainly not something that has ever concerned me, nor does the white male author cite any women or minorities who have expressed concern about this. If you want to do something, do more to promote performances of contemporary composers so more diverse names become well-known enough to recognize.

I don't think even my undergrad music and gender prof would argue that Clara Schumann was as important a composer as Robert btw.

I guess I'd be lonesome (Sund4r), Monday, 26 October 2020 13:59 (three years ago) link

Yeah, I think I took a joke too seriously about Clara being "the good Schumann" tbh. Bobby did some pretty great stuff, and I'm not as into solo piano music as I am symphonic stuff, so I'm probably overcompensating.

Iannis Xenakis double fisting Cutty Sark (Tom Violence), Monday, 26 October 2020 14:26 (three years ago) link

I've been happily but haphazardly dipping into the 19th century thanks to pomenitul's polls, and so far the big revelation is Gabriel Fauré (I've listened to plenty of new-to-me pieces by other more familiar composers), based only on the Nocturnes so far. I gather the Requiem is major--does anyone have a recording to recommend? And my thanks to pom for specifically mentioning Le Sage's Nocturnes, which is wonderful.

rob, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 19:56 (three years ago) link

I like William Schuman, me. And I like the full-name proposal! didn't really need to be argued so hard, even. Thought it was funny that the article concluded with "let it be Ludwig Beethoven" ... ...

flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 20:04 (three years ago) link

Also plz let it be "Adolf Hitler"; Idi Amin not getting enough respect.

I guess I'd be lonesome (Sund4r), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 22:07 (three years ago) link

I think I'd actually be on board with people saying "Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi" tbf.

I guess I'd be lonesome (Sund4r), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 22:27 (three years ago) link

Clara was always "the good Hitler" tbf

flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 22:30 (three years ago) link

lol

I guess I'd be lonesome (Sund4r), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 22:31 (three years ago) link

*Kneels in fgti’s direction*

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 23:37 (three years ago) link

rob, which recording(s) of fauré's "requiem" did you end up listening to?

budo jeru, Saturday, 7 November 2020 17:21 (three years ago) link

Not rob, obv., but I'm very fond of the pared down 1893 chamber version, featuring two of the greatest living French vocalists (really):

https://www.allmusic.com/album/fauré-requiem-mw0001869315

And I second your enjoyment of Scelsi Revisited. Pure (post-)(proto-)spectralist bliss.

pomenitul, Saturday, 7 November 2020 20:42 (three years ago) link

Today's listening: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6357vL9TPg

"Poor fellow, I weep for him"

I guess I'd be lonesome (Sund4r), Saturday, 7 November 2020 23:01 (three years ago) link

Does that Scelsi cover actually say "Ragnhild Berståd"?? Over-Nordicizing if so; her name is Berstad afaik.

anatol_merklich, Monday, 9 November 2020 09:13 (three years ago) link

rob, which recording(s) of fauré's "requiem" did you end up listening to?

― budo jeru, Saturday, November 7, 2020 12:21 PM (two days ago)

pomenitul very kindly ilxmailed me a recommendation of the Accentus recording he linked to. I loved it—and have really enjoyed all the other Fauré I've checked out in the past few weeks—though my mental space was invaded by the US election and I need to return and revisit. I'm definitely open to other versions though, so let me know if you have a favourite!

rob, Monday, 9 November 2020 14:00 (three years ago) link

Does that Scelsi cover actually say "Ragnhild Berståd"?? Over-Nordicizing if so; her name is Berstad afaik.

Mötley Crüe-style, heh. At least Kairos's website dispenses with the overring.

pomenitul, Monday, 9 November 2020 14:05 (three years ago) link

Now that the year is slowly drawing to a close, I put together a list of my favourite 2020 classical releases so far, if anyone's interested. A word of warning, however: it skews heavily towards contemporary music, in keeping with my listening habits of late. Oh, and the periodization is a bit iffy at times, but that's almost always the case anyway.

Renaissance

Philippe Pierlot, Lucile Boulanger, Myriam Rignol & Rolf Lislevand – Monsieur de Sainte-Colombe et ses filles

Baroque

Johann Sebastian Bach – Johannes-Passion (Collegium Vocale Gent, Philippe Herreweghe)

Classical

Ludwig van Beethoven – Violin Sonatas 1-4 (Frank Peter Zimmermann & Martin Helmchen)
Ludwig van Beethoven & Joseph-François Gossec – Symphony No. 5; Symphonie à 17 parties (Les Siècles, François-Xavier Roth)

Romantic

Edvard Grieg – Violin Sonatas (Eldbjørg Hemsing & Simon Trpčeski)
Franz Liszt – Années de pèlerinage (Suzana Bartal)
Franz Liszt – Between Light & Darkness (Vincent Larderet)
Johannes Brahms – Clarinet Sonatas (Jörg Widmann & András Schiff)
Johannes Brahms – The Final Piano Pieces (Stephen Hough)

Late Romantic / Early Modern

Amatis Trio – Enescu, Ravel, Britten
Carl Nielsen – Symphonies 1 & 2 (Seatle Symphony, Thomas Dausgaard)
Célimène Daudet – Messe noire. Liszt, Scriabine
Charles Ives – Complete Symphonies (Los Angeles Philharmonic, Gustavo Dudamel)
Jean Sibelius – Symphony No. 2; King Kristian II (Gothenburg Symphony, Santtu Matias-Rouvali)
Ralph Vaughan Williams – Symphony No. 3, ‘Pastoral’; Symphony No. 4 (BBC SO, Martyn Brabbins)

Modern

Constantin Silvestri – Complete Piano Works (Luiza Borac)
Cyrillus Kreek – The Suspended Harp of Babel (Vox Clamantis, Jaan-Eik Tulve)
Daniil Trifonov – Silver Age
Dmitri Shostakovich – Piano Quintet; Seven Romances (Trio Wanderer, et al.)

Postwar / Late 20th Century

Luciano Berio – Coro; Cries of London (Norwegian Soloists’ Choir, Norwegian Radio Orchestra, Grete Pedersen)

Contemporary

Alberto Posadas – Poética del laberinto
Bára Gísladóttir – HĪBER
Benjamin Dwyer – what is the word
Christian Mason – Zwischen den Sternen
Clara Iannotta – Earthing
Enno Poppe – Fett; Ich kann mich an nichts erinnern
Éric Montalbetti – Chamber Music. Harmonieuses dissonances
Gerald Eckert – absence
Gonçalo Gato – NowState
Howard Skempton – Preludes and Fugues; Nocturnes; Reflections; Images (William Howard)
Klangforum Wien – Scelsi Revisited
Leo Brouwer – 30 Estudios sencillos (Thibault Cauvin)
Linda Buckley – From Ocean’s Floor
Liza Lim – Extinction Events and Dawn Chorus
Naomi Pinnock – Lines and Spaces
Outi Tarkiainen – The Earth, Spring’s Daughter; Saivo
Rebecca Saunders – Still; Aether; Alba
Richard Valitutto – Nocturnes & Lullabies
Sebastian Hilli – confluence / divergence
Stockholm Syndrome Ensemble, Andrej Power, Lawrence Power & Christianne Stotijn – Voices of Angels
Thomas Wally – Jusqu’à l’aurore
Timothy McCormack – KARST
Tobias Eduard Schick – Chamber Music
Tõnu Kõrvits – Hymns to the Nordic Lights
Tõnu Kõrvits – You Are Light and Morning (Sei la luce e il mattino)
Víctor Ibarra – The Dimension of the Fragile
Wet Ink Ensemble – Smoke, Airs
Xavier Dayer – Chamber Music
Zeynep Gedizlioğlu – Verbinden und Abwenden

Cross-Era Recitals

Barbara Hannigan & Ludwig Orchestra – La passione: Nono, Haydn, Grisey
Bertrand Chamayou – Good Night!
Élodie Vignon – D’ombres. Dutilleux, Ledoux
Jean-Pierre Collot – The Way to Sound: Spectral Visions of Goethe (Dufourt, Liszt, Schubert)

pomenitul, Monday, 9 November 2020 14:33 (three years ago) link

i will likely go fishing in the contemporary collection. what from that list do you think is most accessible?

Four Seasons Total Manscaping (forksclovetofu), Monday, 9 November 2020 15:20 (three years ago) link


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