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Just read that that was supposed to be on Tutu but Prince and Miles were not happy with it so Prince asked Warner Bros. to take it off.

It sounds a lot like what Miles did on Amandla. So clearly even if the track didn't work, the general aesthetic absolutely did.

Was the jill jones album recorded in 86?

Yep, but more of it in 1985: http://www.princevault.com/index.php?title=Album:_Jill_Jones
So I'll be the jerk: what would you cut from SoTT? For me, a few easy choices: "It", "Hot Thing" and "U Got the Look" (I know, but it grates).

Delete from SOTT or the crystal ball triple?

Sott I think is a brilliant set of songs but not a great album (the triple I think would have been even more unwieldy). It doesn't really hang that well (better to listen in vinyl sides, in short 3 song sequences) That's an issue with a lot of prince albums, as he used multiple aesthetics, didnt care much for cohesion, just song quality, but its more pronounced here. I like the camille album as a concept and just as a tight, super funky album so I'd delete all those songs from sott.

Good point, I have to make myself a playlist of that. All the tracks are out now, right?

Most of it's on the box - for my compiled version I nicked the full-length Feel U Up ("Long Stroke") from the Partyman single, the original Good Love from Bright Lights, Big City OST, Rockhard In A Funky Place from The Black Album, and used the full-length ("Extended," but actually the original) Shockadelica.

Thinking of princes funk out put in this period, I think 87 is a cut off point for his funkiest songs. Housequake, rebirth..., not only did these songs kinda mark and end his 80s funk style (chicken scratch rhythm guitar mainly), but he started channelling JB or more traditional funk lyrics on say, rebirth, or housequake, that p funk ish sort of self reflexive lyric writing I think, writing about being the baddest rather than anything else. Then he would get more openly JB derivative on sexy mf of course, then the work, and musicology (all lousy IMO). Theres also the use of horns. I mean, his horns during this period were generally great, but it does seem like he was inching towards a more traditional, or more expansive setup compared to say, head or lady cab driver. Then again, he was still using drum machines so obv he wasnt going retro, but it was obv more drawing from earlier influences.

Those little passages of funky guitar at the start of the raspberry beret and u got the look videos are two of his all time funkiest teasers

Going back to the box set, why is Dave Chappelle in this thing? Did they think Chappelle show fans would buy it?! The book is more notable for being so huge and heavy than what's really in it (not to downplay the essays, they're good, but I dont much like essays in my box sets, I just like liner notes like what Alan Leeds did in the hits compilations). A nice paperback would have been more practical.

Also I wonder how many units these re releases sell....

He wrote a few things for Miles D.
https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/1114-inside-miles-davis-prince-obsession-as-detailed-by-davis-family-and-collaborators/

Also - the horn charts alone on Lovesexy make that album a constantly fascinating listen. Incredible considering the short gestation time for the album. It's the peak for me of Prince's musical interplay with his horn players.

The drum machine rework of big tall wall is stone cold classic.

If you like creepy, obsessive prince that is. Which this era is lacking.

Lovesexy has always felt like Prince's most blatantly funky album. I mean, you mention chicken scratch guitars and instantly I think of Alphabet Street.

uh, Controversy would like a word

https://www.princevault.com/index.php?title=Can_I_Play_With_U%3F
This also lists the other three songs that Prince wrote for Miles and what became of them.

Lovesexy has always felt like Prince's most blatantly funky album. I mean, you mention chicken scratch guitars and instantly I think of Alphabet Street.

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v cherished memory of putting on Eye No at a party of cartoonist nerds c. 1993 upon which it instantly turned into a crazy dance party

(at j4s0n Lut3s' house - this detail for sic)

My favorite thing about Lovesexy is when a friend put it on a college dive bar jukebox, got the whole album for the cost of one play (to the consternation of everyone else in there, especially those who were trying to get the next tune).

hahaa of course

So I'll be the jerk: what would you cut from SoTT? For me, a few easy choices: "It", "Hot Thing" and "U Got the Look" (I know, but it grates).

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can't believe this is easy for you, especially "hot thing"

i'm the only person in the world whose favorite song on sott is "it" though

my hot take (which probably isn't so hot) is that the og "strange relationship" with wendy and lisa >>> album version, and that's probably the only adjustment i'd make to sott, which is otherwise perfectly pared down. i actually think it works really well as a sequence, but i'm not sure how much that's due to the movie, which works very hard to create a visual universe where these sounds can coexist (the melted art-deco city edifices and neon signs in the stage setup, modeled after the guys and dolls backdrop on the album cover)

well i also wish "all my dreams" were on an official prince album, but sott is not that one. maybe it would've happened had prince and wendy and lisa actually picked up roadhouse garden again in the late '90s/early '00s

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I kind of get the hate for It bc it's so extreme, but it's one of my favorites. Such outrageous ideas--the flurries of orchestra hits, the way the vocals are layers of robotic monotone and unhinged squealing...

If I had to kick anything from SOTT it would be Play in the Sunshine and/or *ducks* Housequake. I haven't absorbed the new tracks enough to pick replacement tracks

who hates "all my dreams," and what is their address, i am gonna drive by their house and stick out my tongue at them

my desire for a cleaned-up "dance with the devil" means i want a batman box next, which i assume no one in the prince estate or warner bros. is considering lol

Who knows! It had hits!

I heard the next expansion is D&P

lol ugh

i listened to my old bootleg version of "the ball" today and boy it sounds like shit, thank god for this set

“Hot Thing” and “It” are phenomenal and anyone who hates them probably hasn’t, you know, ever had that proper, atom-crushing good sex.

hahaha the old school "I am an awesome sex haver" music brag always a good one

Had never occurred to me until listening to this set that “La, La, La, He, He, Hee" is proto-“Doghouse”

i have never had sex and do not believe it is real

Ain’t I awesome?!

"Hot Thing" is in my SOTT Top 5, so funky, that "when you smile" part, I love it

We should poll SOTT for the song we'd leave out.

Me? It's "It's Gonna Be a Beautiful Night"

I don't worship "Adore" like my fellow Prince-ologists, but it's a jam.

Yeah, ditch "It's Gonna Be a Beautiful Night."

Thirded.

Thirded.

And fourthed, I guess!

I'd cut "It" and "Starfish and Coffee." And I'd put "Adore" before "It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night" and end the album with "The Cross."

"The Cross" would be a good closer.

I usually skip “The Cross” and “I Could Never...”

What?!? Why you wanna treat SotT so bad, CJV?

I'll always ditch 'Play in the Sunshine'. 'Beautiful Night' is one of my most-listened SotT tracks.

“hot thing” was always the weak link for me, sorry. everything else is the bomb. in the context of an epic double album closer “it’s gonna be a beautiful night” works really well... but putting “adore” on right after is kinda too much, it needs something less completely amazing and perfect to end on lol, like a 2 minute ditty with just prince and an electric guitar.