Crusader Kings and games of that ilk

it's either a clan or tribal government, can't remember which, which limits your ability for adjusting various succession laws. this is the furthest i've ever gotten into the game so it doesn't make much difference to me. if anything it simplifies things

anyone taken / thinking of taking the plunge on Victoria 3? never played the old ones and in fact i've never fully gotten over the hump on any Paradox franchise but i'm intrigued by what i gather is the focus of this one (i.e. not role-playing like CK, not a war simulator like HOI, less direct emphasis on conquest than in EU). just... run a country! any country! at an absurd level of micro and macro detail!

idk, i'm sure if i bought it i'd bounce off it pretty quick but i'm really really tempted

i bailed on the CK3 demo after an hour so no, not me

the voice of conscience. think my wallet agrees with you. and yet...

someone please come in now and tell me how how much fun it is and how i should certainly buy it this very evening, no regrets and no guilt

I wasn't trying to put you off tbf, just acknowledging I don't have brainpower/patience any more

vic2 is the paradox game i like so i’ve been kind of interested in this too but idk tbh i hate this boring company and their torrent of dlc and their one ugly interface they use for everything

THAT SAID the vic focus on the demographic or class rather than the individual or even rly nation as structuring unit (what party are the preponderance of flemish artisans supporting; what are the current grievances of the walloonian bourgeoisie; what is the level of war weariness amongst brazilian peasants etc)— esp when your instruments for manipulating these units are so contingent and third-order removed— makes for a p interesting toy, if it sounds to you like it would. a lot of nice pie charts.

Oh the DLC does irritate, I hate the thought of how much you have to pay out to get the full experience, again a me problem really but still

Not at all, you’re bang on. I’ve never yet got my money’s worth out of a paradox game but I always convince myself that this time will be different.

I’m positive that if I put a few hours in to push past that barrier, this time…

Xp to NV

The dlc thing would bother me more from another company I think but Paradox feel like they do listen to their player base and try to give back in other ways.

And thank you dlh for coherently articulating what intrigues me about this one

I’ve given paradox enough money with all the eu4 dlc’s and games i bought so I thought I’d pirate this. Then I got distracted and figured what better time than now to start a mega campaign: imperator-ck3-eu4-vic3-hoi4-Stellaris. Problem being I have only played a combined hour of everything bar eu4 (probably 1000 hours).

So anyways, learning imperator is fun. God these games are good if they hook you, it’s just suuuuuuuch an investment before that hook happens. Was impressed with how pretty vic3 was when I loaded it up. Hopefully I can get to it.

Okay, Imperator is actually really good and fun. Like EU4 for kids, so much simpler and streamlined. Better for small hits. Very nice flavour to it