Does bWAR (or oWAR, I guess) take baserunning into consideration?Sometimes I wish b-r and fangraphs would both put infographics explaining what their WAR takes into account on every stats page
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 23 September 2020 20:45 (three years ago) link
That could just be their logos
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 23 September 2020 20:46 (three years ago) link
unfortunate that juan soto missed a dozen games β mookieproof, Wednesday, September 23, 2020 1:17 PM (one hour ago)
β mookieproof, Wednesday, September 23, 2020 1:17 PM (one hour ago)
due to a false positive too which hurts even more.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 21:29 (three years ago) link
fangraphs now has darvish (69 IP), degrom (63 IP) and corbin burnes (56 IP) tied with 2.6 fWAR. bauer (65 IP) and max fried (55 IP) have the ERAs to join them, but not the FIPs . . . although fried is 7-0 and hasn't allowed a homer(!)
degrom leads in strikeouts and has been better than he was when he won last year. i don't know if the chance to make it three in a row helps or hurts him, though i'd guess the latter.
assuming they all pitch relatively well in their final starts, i'm not sure how one differentiates them. burnes' and fried's fewer innings will probably hurt, but of course in theory they've generated just as much value.
xp yeah soto's about to go on a pujols-like run where he's such a good hitter that his defense barely even matters
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 23 September 2020 21:56 (three years ago) link
Does bWAR (or oWAR, I guess) take baserunning into consideration
Clear edge to Betts there, but I just assumed baserunning was part of the calculation for oWAR--offense is run scoring, and it's part of that. (SB/CS, at least; not sure if bases gained/lost on the basepaths figure in.)
― clemenza, Wednesday, 23 September 2020 23:44 (three years ago) link
James always had two versions of RC, the SB version and non-SB version, based on a different number of outs. Actually, there were three:
per 25.5 outs: the basic versionper 26.0 outs: SB/CS addedper 27.0 outs: sacrifices, HBP, everything else added
― clemenza, Wednesday, 23 September 2020 23:46 (three years ago) link
if you hover your cursor over "oWAR" on anyone's bbref page it'll pop up a window that shows you everything that goes into it
― β, Thursday, 24 September 2020 00:53 (three years ago) link
also
although fried is 7-0 and hasn't allowed a homer(!)
welp!
― β, Thursday, 24 September 2020 00:54 (three years ago) link
Are there any other cases of a reigning healthy MVP betting 7th for most of the season?
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 24 September 2020 03:28 (three years ago) link
Pete Rose 1974?
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 24 September 2020 05:21 (three years ago) link
lol, thanks auto-correct
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 24 September 2020 05:30 (three years ago) link
big game from bauer last night
― mookieproof, Thursday, 24 September 2020 15:00 (three years ago) link
I honestly did not think he had another big season in him
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 24 September 2020 15:05 (three years ago) link
another comeback candidate: salvador perez
His 177 wRC+ would be the 2nd best by an #MLB catcher since 2000, trailing only Mike Napoli's 179 in 2011 with Texas.He's done that in just 140 PAs, missed the first 10 days of Spring 2.0 due to Covid, spent 24 days on the IL due to an eye injury, and coming off TJ surgery.— Nate Rowan (@njrowan) September 24, 2020
― mookieproof, Thursday, 24 September 2020 15:15 (three years ago) link
Soto overtook Freeman in BA which makes him MLB leader in all three slashes.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 24 September 2020 15:36 (three years ago) link
still trails lemahieu. but yeah
― mookieproof, Thursday, 24 September 2020 15:57 (three years ago) link
whoops, NL then
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 24 September 2020 16:01 (three years ago) link
we have the triple crown for AVG(so-so stat)/RBI(less useful stat)/HR(we all love dingers) β is there a term for AVG/OPB/SLG?
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 24 September 2020 16:39 (three years ago) link
yep, slash triple crown
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 24 September 2020 16:50 (three years ago) link
isnt it common knowledge that Bauer has been throwing doctored pitches all year?
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 24 September 2020 18:00 (three years ago) link
All of Devin Williams's Swing/Miss or Called Strikes on his Changeup from this season (so far).Pitching Porn. πhttps://t.co/kpi4F8TRud— Rob Friedman (@PitchingNinja) September 23, 2020
― mookieproof, Thursday, 24 September 2020 19:53 (three years ago) link
I wonder if there have been more slash triple crowns vs traditional.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 24 September 2020 20:21 (three years ago) link
I'd assume yes, just because RBIs are situational/luck-based whereas pure slash is not.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 24 September 2020 20:28 (three years ago) link
xps those salvador stats probably came after his game last night, where he already had 2 HRs and 5 RBI off of Carlos Martinez when i turned out around the 4th inning, before Martinez came out of the game with an injury.
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 24 September 2020 22:15 (three years ago) link
so yes, way more slash triple crown winners. 47 of them vs 18 regular. the first person to win it: Piano Legs Gore.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 25 September 2020 13:37 (three years ago) link
I doubt it will happen, but if Bauer were to win the Cy Young, it would be the first time that award was won by a Reds pitcher. I'd figure Bucky Walters might have won that award if they had it back in the late 30s, as he won an MVP and the pitching triple crown.
The Padres have had four different winners.
Kind of a fluky thing when you think about it.
― earlnash, Saturday, 26 September 2020 00:36 (three years ago) link
Well now Iβm trying to guess who the four Padres are.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 26 September 2020 00:46 (three years ago) link
trevor hoffman, andy benes and tony gwynn iirc
― mookieproof, Saturday, 26 September 2020 01:39 (three years ago) link
where have you gone, Randy Jones
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 26 September 2020 02:03 (three years ago) link
surely one for Trevor Hoffman
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 26 September 2020 02:05 (three years ago) link
wrong on Hoffman but I correctly remembered the late-career HOFer who won one with SD (first of two seasons there)
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 26 September 2020 02:12 (three years ago) link
Phil Niekro should've won that year, only time he led the league's pitchers in WAR*
*Awards blow
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 26 September 2020 02:19 (three years ago) link
it's okay -- the mets have a no-hitter and the padres don't
― mookieproof, Saturday, 26 September 2020 02:39 (three years ago) link
i also guessed hoffman, benes, and gwynn.
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 26 September 2020 15:37 (three years ago) link
Mario Soto or Jose Rijo possibly should have won a CY--they had some great years, though I'd have to check how the timing went.
― clemenza, Saturday, 26 September 2020 16:12 (three years ago) link
Probably behind a paywall, but Jayson Stark's picks:
http://theathletic.com/2090616/2020/09/25/stark-handing-out-my-2020-awards-from-cy-young-to-cy-yuk-mvp-to-lvp/
(Abreu and Freeman, Bieber and Bauer.)
I read that awful underrated/overrated book of his, so not particularly a fan.
― clemenza, Saturday, 26 September 2020 16:20 (three years ago) link
Rijo led Maddux p comfortably in WAR in '93.
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 26 September 2020 16:47 (three years ago) link
Yeah, I looked it up...There was a good argument to be made for Soto in '82 or '83, but it wasn't clear-cut either year (he slightly trailed Rogers in '82 and Denny in '83 in bWAR; Denny won, Rogers finished second).
― clemenza, Saturday, 26 September 2020 17:04 (three years ago) link
on the other side of that, fWAR puts soto 8th for '83, behind:
Steve Carlton 7.4John Denny 5.8Rick Rhoden 5.0Steve Rogers 4.9Jerry Reuss 4.8Atlee Hammaker 4.6John Candelaria 4.5Mario Soto 4.5Larry McWilliams 4.3Fernando Valenzuela 4.2
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 26 September 2020 17:18 (three years ago) link
poor steve carlton
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 26 September 2020 17:19 (three years ago) link
Poor Atlee Hammaker! (Seven earned runs in 0.2 innings at that year's AS Game.)
― clemenza, Saturday, 26 September 2020 17:23 (three years ago) link
truly, poor atlee hammaker. i have to admit that i didn't even recognize his name!
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 26 September 2020 17:27 (three years ago) link
look at all those pirates
in the last 25 years, exactly two pirate pitchers have topped larry mcwilliams' 4.3 fWAR in a season -- gerrit cole in 2015 (5.1) and oliver perez in 2004 (4.5)
― mookieproof, Saturday, 26 September 2020 21:05 (three years ago) link
well, i think degrom is now out of the NL cy equation : /
― mookieproof, Saturday, 26 September 2020 21:12 (three years ago) link
Jake Peavy! I'm also guessing Gaylord Perry, which is probably a longshot because he played for so many teams.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 26 September 2020 23:25 (three years ago) link
Yup. Those are the easy ones.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 26 September 2020 23:25 (three years ago) link
I see now that I'm a day late on this trivia question and they everyone has looked up the answer by now ... carry on.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 26 September 2020 23:27 (three years ago) link
I assume Brandon Lowe will be Top 5 in AL MVP?
― clemenza, Sunday, 27 September 2020 21:39 (three years ago) link
Using the ILB fantasy league categories as guidelines:
NL MVP: FreemanAL MVP: JRamirezNL CY: DarvishAL CY: BieberNL ROY: Dustin May AL ROY: Kyle Lewis (barely edging Luis Robert & Cristian Javier)
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 28 September 2020 21:37 (three years ago) link
Name them after Frank Robinson, the only player to win in both leagues. https://t.co/Nwa9syw0wJ— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) October 2, 2020
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 October 2020 22:55 (three years ago) link
I wonder if there was even one baseball fan, in 2011, who thought that Cruz (31 at the time) would go on to hit 300+ HR.
― clemenza, Sunday, 25 October 2020 08:19 (three years ago) link
When he hit free agency, the consensus was you'd be crazy to give him a multi-year deal and overpay for 25-30 HR/year (with a .300 OBP and bad defense, assuming that his skills didn't fall off a cliff in his mid-30's). And somehow he ended up on the shortlist of the greatest 40-year old hitters ever.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 25 October 2020 08:31 (three years ago) link
Holy shxx the Rays won game 4? I figured it was done and turned it off.
― earlnash, Sunday, 25 October 2020 15:07 (three years ago) link
How could you turn off a back and forth game like that?!
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 25 October 2020 18:13 (three years ago) link
Liam Hendricks wins Reliever of the Year
1.4 fWAR (2nd in MLB RPs to Devin Williams)1.1 bWAR (2nd in MLB RPs to his teammate Jake Diekman*)
*Diekman's fWAR is 0.5, earning him 49th place of all MLP RPs... which is why I'm always fascinated to compare these two sites.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 26 October 2020 22:16 (three years ago) link
1.4 fWAR (2nd in MLB RPs to Devin Williams)
Williams takes NL ROY
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 10 November 2020 01:05 (three years ago) link
Lewis unanimous in the AL.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 10 November 2020 04:34 (three years ago) link
god bless devin williams but ffs he threw 27 innings
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 10 November 2020 04:39 (three years ago) link
Did he ever.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 10 November 2020 04:46 (three years ago) link
yeah it was the one bright spot of our season come on
― frogbs, Tuesday, 10 November 2020 04:48 (three years ago) link
he was the one bright spot of 5% of your season
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 10 November 2020 04:55 (three years ago) link
yeah that's right
― frogbs, Tuesday, 10 November 2020 04:59 (three years ago) link
AL MVP: Abreu!
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 13 November 2020 00:09 (three years ago) link
Anyone predict that? Clemenza? Morbs?
Seems like a pretty good vote. Freeman surprised me--I thought it'd be Betts or Tatis.
― clemenza, Friday, 13 November 2020 14:15 (three years ago) link
One manβs mistake is another manβs claim to an NL MVP vote. Thanks Rick! Honored by the vote. π https://t.co/wsqJpbHpcN— Ryan Tepera (@RTepera) November 13, 2020
― mookieproof, Friday, 13 November 2020 16:48 (three years ago) link
SK Wyverns 1B Jamie Romak wins the 2020 Tip O'Neill Award, given annually to a Canadian baseball player who is "judged to have excelled in individual achievement and team contribution while adhering to the highest ideals of the game of baseball."
first non-MLB player since 1991
― mookieproof, Thursday, 3 December 2020 16:02 (three years ago) link
a 35 year old dude playing in the KBO, who hit 32 home runs and a .946 OPS. kind of a neat choice!
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 3 December 2020 21:44 (three years ago) link