in the presidential election, not this poll
― i got a homogenic björk wine farmer permabanned (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 15:28 (three years ago) link
xxp RS pointed out that The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill jumped from #312 (on the 2003 list) to #10.
― jaymc, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 15:29 (three years ago) link
Is there a way to view the whole list on one page?
― Scam Likely (morrisp), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 15:29 (three years ago) link
kind of blue is perfect, it should always be on a list like this, i don't particular care that it's the token jazz record, god knows it earned it
This is exactly why I hate seeing it on these lists, again and again. It's so predictable and yes, a token choice. This is Rolling Stone. Just be honest and make a list of pop and rock, and don't pretend you also listen to jazz because you have Kind of Blue or Time Out in your collection. Kind of Blue is great, but it wouldn't even make my Top 30 of greatest jazz albums. Bitches Brew had a much bigger impact on rock and funk, anyway.
― TO BE A JAZZ SINGER YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SCAT (Jazzbo), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 15:30 (three years ago) link
Honestly, this is about as OTM a top 10 as I've ever seen from them, given all the forces at work.
― Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 15:32 (three years ago) link
Even tho it should be Innervisions at #4 instead of SitKoL.
― Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 15:33 (three years ago) link
Confessions from a listoholic ... the amount of pleasure this re-ranking gives me matching up with how fulfilled the 2012 version of the Sight and Sound list of top movies did kind of confirms to me that I've reached the peak age where those controlling the canon are in line with my own tastes, and it's probably only downhill from here.
― Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 15:35 (three years ago) link
xpost Feel like if it was actually called SitKoL we would have entered a soul/prog new age decades ago.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 15:37 (three years ago) link
If we stick to the top 10, I don't care for nos. 2-4 at all. So far, the RYM list best matches my own preferences by a significant margin.
― sock solipsist (pomenitul), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 15:37 (three years ago) link
I'm guessing Sheffield threatened to quit if they didn't put a Harry Styles record in the top 500.
― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 15:38 (three years ago) link
I did my best to diversify the proceedings.
My pick Gaye was In Our Lifetime fwiw
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 15:39 (three years ago) link
I've reached the peak age where those controlling the canon are in line with my own tastes, and it's probably only downhill from here
*new list is released in twenty years' time*
"What the--?"
"Well after the combination of the virus that took out the algorithms and the actual virus that took out the programmers of the algorithms the only song anyone could remember was "Old Town Road.""
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 15:39 (three years ago) link
No Chuck Berry or James Brown in the Top 50. But Kanye's at #17.
― TO BE A JAZZ SINGER YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SCAT (Jazzbo), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 15:40 (three years ago) link
This is Rolling Stone. Just be honest and make a list of pop and rock, and don't pretend you also listen to jazz because you have Kind of Blue or Time Out in your collection. Kind of Blue is great, but it wouldn't even make my Top 30 of greatest jazz albums. Bitches Brew had a much bigger impact on rock and funk, anyway.
Fuck this actual list, but to be fair, RS currently has Hank Shteamer on staff and he might be the most jazz-knowledgeable editor they've ever had. He knows his shit, for real. I agree that RS-the-institution is not a jazz-friendly zone by any measurement, but he's done a lot to change that since he's been there. I mean, they interviewed Anthony Braxton last year!
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 15:41 (three years ago) link
jazzbotm
also pet sounds is fine but enough already
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 15:42 (three years ago) link
I Want You > In Our Lifetime > What's Going On > Here My Dear > Let's Get It On
― Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 15:44 (three years ago) link
I rolled my eyes at seeing What's Going On in the top ten, let alone first place, groaned when I saw Ziggy Stardust as highest-ranking Bowie (what, is this STILL 1987?); but the shock was Lauryn Hill. The euphoria waned quickly after 1999, deservedly.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 15:44 (three years ago) link
I rolled my eyes at seeing What's Going On in the top ten
???? why
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 15:45 (three years ago) link
The distressingly cloying melody lobby has yet to be dismantled.
― sock solipsist (pomenitul), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 15:46 (three years ago) link
Kind of Blue is great, but it wouldn't even make my Top 30 of greatest jazz albums
see this kind of holier-than-thou taste calculus is my least favorite part of digesting lists like these. kind of blue, a perfect record, wouldn't make your top 30 greatest jazz albums? damn u r an original
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 15:47 (three years ago) link
Brad otm. I wouldn't omit Beethoven's 9th from a top 30 classical compositions of all time list just for the hepcat cred.
― sock solipsist (pomenitul), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 15:49 (three years ago) link
Oooooooh, Sgt. Pepper took a drubbing!
― Wessonality Crisis (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 15:51 (three years ago) link
my biggest o_O is amy winehouse slotting in ahead of all the albums she ripped off was inspired by
― i got a homogenic björk wine farmer permabanned (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 15:52 (three years ago) link
it’s rolling stone, that the beatles don’t even appear until no. 5 is genuinely incredibly to me
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 15:52 (three years ago) link
incredible*
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 15:53 (three years ago) link
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson),
Not my favorite Gaye by any stretch, and it's made every one of their lists.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 15:53 (three years ago) link
I don't know why but there's something about this 'aging boomer Googles info on acclaimed albums from the last three decades of popular music and hastily inserts new entries he probably hasn't actually listened to in their entirety/at all' list that's more depressing than the original.
― Wessonality Crisis (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 15:55 (three years ago) link
There is no rational reason for that Kanye album scoring above every single Kendrick album. Even at its release, half of it was a mess.
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 15:57 (three years ago) link
(shouts to nephew in the other room) 'Hey Skyler, do the kids still like that Eminem album?'
― Wessonality Crisis (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 15:58 (three years ago) link
It's a sign of RS's p4k-ification.
xp
― sock solipsist (pomenitul), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 15:59 (three years ago) link
groaned when I saw Ziggy Stardust as highest-ranking Bowie (what, is this STILL 1987?); but the shock was Lauryn Hill. The euphoria waned quickly after 1999, deservedly.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, September 22, 2020 11:44 AM (three minutes ago)
Yeah, Miseducation as the best hip-hop album of all time is p bizarre. I like Ziggy and think it's slid into being underrated at this point (at least on ILM), but it is weird to see the artifacts of canons past still clinging on, especially, for me, Legend.
Also Graceland but nothing from the entire continent of Africa (or Brazil, or etc.) is ew gross, though I didn't bother looking at the full list
― rob, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:00 (three years ago) link
I'm holier than thou because I happen to love and listen to a lot of jazz? Does the same apply for anyone who loves and listens to a lot of rock/pop, and perhaps doesn't think Sgt. Pepper is one of the top 30 albums? Kind of Blue is maybe fifth or sixth on my list of favorite Miles Davis albums. He released many brilliant albums including Jack Johnson, Bitches Brew, In a Silent Way, Sketches of Spain, Porgy and Bess, Miles Ahead, Cookin', Relaxin; and many more. KoB became a big hit partly because it was so easy to listen to, and it sounded cool in the background. Some of his other major works are more challenging and rewarding, I think.
― TO BE A JAZZ SINGER YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SCAT (Jazzbo), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:01 (three years ago) link
― sock solipsist (pomenitul), Tuesday, September 22, 2020 11:59 AM (one minute ago)
eh, isn't it more that the fundamentally rockist trope of the singular, often troubled artist-genius is crucial to what RS is? see also Lauryn Hill for that matter
― rob, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:02 (three years ago) link
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― sock solipsist (pomenitul), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:03 (three years ago) link
voted Songs In The Key Of Life today cuz I have really been feeling that one lately
― sleeve, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:04 (three years ago) link
In case anyone wasn’t clear, my “confession” above was meant to be taken as evidence that this list is probably bad. But so we’re all the previous versions I’m sure.
― Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:05 (three years ago) link
this is the best bad version yet imo
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:05 (three years ago) link
― rob, Tuesday, September 22, 2020 12:00 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink
The Indestructible Beat Of Soweto is #497. Apparently, some clerical or technical error swapped its and Graceland's rankings.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:06 (three years ago) link
Quite obviously yes.
― Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:06 (three years ago) link
xp to brad
lol at putting a greatest hits album in yr top 50
― mookieproof, Tuesday, September 22, 2020 10:23 AM (forty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
'legend' is a lolworthy inclusion, indeed, but the original top 50 had chuck berry's the great twenty-eight and compilations from muddy waters and robert johnson
― i got a homogenic björk wine farmer permabanned (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:06 (three years ago) link
at the very least it's made me think harder than previous iterations of the list. literally any no. 1 is better than sgt. pepper's; they picked the right one imo, as what's going on is, among other things, the deeper psychedelic experience
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:07 (three years ago) link
It's the zeitgeistiest and least rockist one so far, which is bound to please the ILM hivemind.
― sock solipsist (pomenitul), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:07 (three years ago) link
xpok lol that is impressively insulting
― rob, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:07 (three years ago) link
I am devastated my efforts at guaranteeing a top ten placement for Hearsay were a splendid failure.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:13 (three years ago) link
imo kind of blue is both easy to listen to and profoundly rewarding, it sounds new every time i've played it even though i also have it memorized; every musician is so totally in tune with each other and the performances are so beautifully captured that it makes you imagine the room they're playing together in, except it doesn't look like a room in one's imagination, just this otherworldly atmosphere of smoke and dark that each soloist wavers in and out of. it can be background music sure! but if you study it there's so much going on. it also captures an evolutionary instep in both miles' music and jazz music in general that there aren't a lot of other examples of!
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:13 (three years ago) link
it's so special that a list without it is more suspect than a list that includes it
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:14 (three years ago) link
Old guard doesn’t have much of a leg to stand on in that the Beatles still have 10% of the top 50 locked down.
― Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:15 (three years ago) link
Why no Floyd tho. Why.
― sock solipsist (pomenitul), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:16 (three years ago) link
^Old Lunch OTM
― Scam Likely (morrisp), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:17 (three years ago) link
"Pastime Paradise" rules.
― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Sunday, 15 November 2020 01:38 (three years ago) link
that album side: i wish, knocks me off my feet, pastime paradise, summer soft, ordinary pain. i could write books about that album side. if i could write symphonies, i could write symphonies about that album side. if i had any idea what string theory is, i could probably explain string theory based on that album side. etc.
― fact checking cuz, Sunday, 15 November 2020 01:46 (three years ago) link
(i can even double post about that album side!)
― fact checking cuz, Sunday, 15 November 2020 01:48 (three years ago) link
i love "Knocks Me Off My Feet". it's just an immaculate transition from that verse to that chorus.
"Ordinary Pain" also awesome. it's just funny that i heard the album so late that after the first side I was sitting htere counting how many hip hop songs had jacked beats from/interpolated songs from that album
― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Sunday, 15 November 2020 01:49 (three years ago) link
an immaculate transition from that verse to that chorus
yes
― fact checking cuz, Sunday, 15 November 2020 01:51 (three years ago) link
i used to sing that at karaoke night but only if I was a little tipsy cos the high note would only be there then
― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Sunday, 15 November 2020 01:52 (three years ago) link
remember fifteen years ago when we were all hating on this list
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 15 November 2020 02:32 (three years ago) link
that list of 2010s albums jaymc posted on 9/22 bugs me.
not the albums themselves; there are lots of good ones on there
but am i crazy for wishing RS could at least squeeze a couple of smaller artists in there?
smallest artists on that list are, who, Rosalia and Isbell? both of whom are pretty big!
are we to believe that out of the 40ish best albums of the 2010s, not a single one was made by an artist who plays venues with capacities under 1,000?
i realize this is a niche thing, i just hate that, idk, like The Beths (just as an example) basically have no shot at being on this list.
― alpine static, Sunday, 15 November 2020 06:15 (three years ago) link
No “Light Up Gold,” no credibility.
― it's AG in your faaaace.... (morrisp), Sunday, 15 November 2020 06:32 (three years ago) link
literally all I'd have wished for in an updated RS list is for Pet Sounds to drop 20 places, but here we are
― cerebral halsey (rip van wanko), Sunday, 15 November 2020 10:43 (three years ago) link
Haha, this was the thread that sparked the Xenakis listening project.
I voted for Kind of Blue in the end, btw.
― I guess I'd be lonesome (Sund4r), Sunday, 15 November 2020 16:56 (three years ago) link
RS didn't game the results, 500 some odd people voted
― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Sunday, 15 November 2020 17:00 (three years ago) link
I fell in love with songs in the key of life around the same age as my uncle did, i remember my grandmother telling me how she knew the album by heart because he played it all the freakin time when he was around 14
― brimstead, Sunday, 15 November 2020 19:09 (three years ago) link
xpost alright, fine ... ppl like popular artists, turns out
― alpine static, Monday, 16 November 2020 05:33 (three years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Saturday, 21 November 2020 00:01 (three years ago) link
Don’t forget to vote in this historical poll that will determine the fate of ILM’s Tacit Canon for the next twenty years.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 21 November 2020 00:03 (three years ago) link
Screw the canon revisionists - I'm voting Sgt Peppers.
― o. nate, Saturday, 21 November 2020 03:33 (three years ago) link
Could have been my choice on another day
― actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Saturday, 21 November 2020 03:36 (three years ago) link
I surprised myself and went with VU & Nico.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Saturday, 21 November 2020 11:34 (three years ago) link
Couldn’t choose between VU, Ramones, or T Heads, so went for Miles.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Saturday, 21 November 2020 15:52 (three years ago) link
I voted for the VU too. Exile would be second for me...bold picks!
― clemenza, Saturday, 21 November 2020 15:56 (three years ago) link
Pretty sure I voted for Nation of Millions, obviously, but as the years go by I think the first Ramones LP might be overtaking it
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, 21 November 2020 18:18 (three years ago) link
NYC bias makes me wonder about whether other people more or less unconsciously voted based on geographical proximity.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 21 November 2020 18:21 (three years ago) link
I voted for Nation of Millions. I was 16 when it came out and I can't even describe how hard it hit me. I listened to that record basically every day that summer, and through most of my junior year of high school. Saw them live that year, too, with Stetsasonic, EPMD and Big Daddy Kane opening. What a time to be alive, as old people say.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 21 November 2020 18:31 (three years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Sunday, 22 November 2020 00:01 (three years ago) link
I prefer the original order tbh.
― On average, this critic grades 8.3 points lower than other critics (Eric H.), Sunday, 22 November 2020 00:20 (three years ago) link
I can't object to any of the albums with 0 votes.
― Advanced Doomscroller (Sanpaku), Sunday, 22 November 2020 00:32 (three years ago) link
I object to 2 of the 3 that won.
― On average, this critic grades 8.3 points lower than other critics (Eric H.), Sunday, 22 November 2020 00:35 (three years ago) link
Great three-way tie!
― down like 6:30 (morrisp), Sunday, 22 November 2020 00:44 (three years ago) link
Putting To Pimp a Butterfly over The Chronic, Low End Theory, Enter the Wu-Tang and Illmatic is such a hilarious decision
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 22 November 2020 00:51 (three years ago) link
1. Marvin Gaye, 'What's Going On' 0
Take that, Rolling Stone.
― pomenitul, Sunday, 22 November 2020 02:01 (three years ago) link
Butterfly not even my favorite Kendrick album lol
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Sunday, 22 November 2020 02:07 (three years ago) link
ilm list is an improvement. 5 votes for Ramones as GOAT was the biggest surprise.
― Indexed, Tuesday, 24 November 2020 15:25 (three years ago) link
the write-in vote for Bathtub Shitter was surprising
― Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 15:31 (three years ago) link