We Still Have a Government, Right?: Canadian Politics 2020

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Oh, it's only been three years since the last election?

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Monday, 21 September 2020 19:00 (three years ago) link

Voters do punish that sometimes - how the NDP ended up winning ON in 1990.

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Monday, 21 September 2020 19:01 (three years ago) link

They are certainly in a strong position right now and the polls are great. Just seems like the wrong time.

everything, Monday, 21 September 2020 19:09 (three years ago) link

Yeah they're running Nathan Cullen in a safe interior seat too

Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Monday, 21 September 2020 20:11 (three years ago) link

Here's a decent round-up of the swing ridings: https://globalnews.ca/news/7344240/14-ridings-bc-election/

everything, Monday, 21 September 2020 20:59 (three years ago) link

Any predictions for tonight?

Either way, I find it somewhat rich that the two party leaders likeliest to vote no-confidence are both self-isolating right now because they tested positive for covid.

sock solipsist (pomenitul), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 17:16 (three years ago) link

I'm more concerned about the Breonna Taylor verdict tbh

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 18:03 (three years ago) link

Bit of a weird thing to post itt, but sure. Anyway, looks like one officer was indicted on criminal charges.

sock solipsist (pomenitul), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 18:10 (three years ago) link

very bullshit charges

despacito ergo sum (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 18:23 (three years ago) link

or charge singular rather

despacito ergo sum (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 18:23 (three years ago) link

'Wanton endangerment' does indeed sound like bullshit. If only Taylor had merely been 'endangered'.

sock solipsist (pomenitul), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 18:25 (three years ago) link

oh sorry, it is 3 charges of wanton endangerment - for firing into another apartment.

despacito ergo sum (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 18:31 (three years ago) link

but I'm not overly concerned about tonight's throne speech etc. don't think there'll be a no confidence vote but don't really care if there is - grits are ahead in the polls in any case, don't think we have much risk of tory rule anytime soon and that's really all that federal politics comes down to for me

despacito ergo sum (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 18:32 (three years ago) link

We've had CPAC on but Payette seems delayed?

Not sure what to expect. Probably more health care funding but hopefully some coordinated plan to fix LTC. UBI seems unlikely but they might extend CERB and expand EI.

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 18:38 (three years ago) link

Oh wait I think they're being valled to the Senate? I have been drifting obv

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 18:40 (three years ago) link

I took out the garbage and apparently missed the announcement of a natl child care program and EI coverage for the self-employed and gig workers?

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 19:17 (three years ago) link

Closing stock option loopholes and taxing digital giants

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 19:18 (three years ago) link

Nice.

sock solipsist (pomenitul), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 19:19 (three years ago) link

"this is no time for austerity"

thank fuck

despacito ergo sum (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 19:20 (three years ago) link

See, Simon, this place isn't so bad.

sock solipsist (pomenitul), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 19:21 (three years ago) link

Moving towards universal pharmacare and a rare disease strategy!

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 19:24 (three years ago) link

Cue hand-wringing about fiscal responsibility.

sock solipsist (pomenitul), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 19:26 (three years ago) link

Pharmacare would be huge

despacito ergo sum (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 19:26 (three years ago) link

Also measures to facilitate independent living outside of LTC homes, which is v important.

Homelessness strategy and expansion of housing investment

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 19:26 (three years ago) link

Ban on single use plastics

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 19:35 (three years ago) link

That one was a long time coming.

sock solipsist (pomenitul), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 19:39 (three years ago) link

Expanded intl development as well

OK, I realize this isn't actual legislation but that was kind of incredible.

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 19:50 (three years ago) link

(speech as a whole)

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 19:50 (three years ago) link

Fuck this headline:

https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/2020-09-23/un-discours-du-trone-qui-laisse-presager-d-importantes-depenses.php

That's your sole takeaway? And La Presse isn't even especially right-leaning.

sock solipsist (pomenitul), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 19:52 (three years ago) link

Even the Natl Post is better tbh.

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 19:57 (three years ago) link

Heh, that's quite the unexpected contrast. No openly snarky paragraphs such as this one:

Mis à part le « 19 » de COVID-19, on retrouve dans ce discours peu de chiffres susceptibles de donner une idée de l’ampleur des dépenses du gouvernement fédéral, dont le déficit pour 2020-2021 a été évalué à 343 milliards de dollars en juillet dernier par l’ancien ministre des Finances, Bill Morneau. Le prochain rendez-vous est fixé à l’automne, alors que sa successeure, Chrystia Freeland, fera le point sur les finances publiques.

sock solipsist (pomenitul), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 20:00 (three years ago) link

Sorry to post re: Breonna Taylor upthread-- meant to post elsewhere. Still concerned.

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Thursday, 24 September 2020 01:24 (three years ago) link

gentlemen you can't apologize in here, this is the Canadian politics thread

Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Thursday, 24 September 2020 01:33 (three years ago) link

Ontario finally came to its senses and closed strip clubs. Also a ban on liquor sales after 11 pm, which must have been a painful decision for Ford.

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Friday, 25 September 2020 16:56 (three years ago) link

Agree that it's interesting.

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Saturday, 26 September 2020 03:14 (three years ago) link

Singh and Trudeau reach a deal on sick leave. I feel like Singh might have been able to aim higher but this is still a good step: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ndp-liberals-deal-sick-leave-1.5739658

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Saturday, 26 September 2020 17:17 (three years ago) link

Although there wasn't much in the way of specific solutions, Trudeau actually strongly called out major superpowers (in all but name) on pretty specific things and laid out a pretty stark view of how things are in his UN address. He also acknowledged Canada's, and other middle or lesser powers', inability to change much on our own and called for broader intl co-operation, while pledging increased funds towards intl development. (But why the recent need to phrase any call-out of racism as being about "anti-black and anti-indigenous racism"? Are we all OK with anti-Asian and anti-Arab racism now?)

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-un-general-assembly-1.5739530

^The article is good but the video annoyingly overdubs an English translation over the French passages without muting the French so that it is unlistenable. This is all English, with the French parts dubbed and muted: https://youtu.be/13ImxYuB4d4 . Unfortunately, I couldn't find a bilingual clip that just left things the way he said them.

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Saturday, 26 September 2020 20:50 (three years ago) link

All very reasonable stuff, though I do agree with your quibble, re: racism. I guess he's stating where the priorities lie, but even that is kind of debatable tbh. In Quebec, at least (much like in France, for that matter), I get the sense that anti-Arab racism is an even bigger concern at the moment than anti-black racism. But I digress.

pomenitul, Saturday, 26 September 2020 21:24 (three years ago) link

Yeah, the mass mosque shooting isn't exactly a distant memory, nor are attempts at both the federal and provincial level, to regulate traditional Muslim garb. Hate crimes against Asians have risen significantly this year.

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Saturday, 26 September 2020 21:27 (three years ago) link

The Quebec City mosque shooting happened here for a reason and I have (East) Asian friends who've experienced overt covid-related racism since the start of the pandemic, so I'm not sure what focusing exclusively on BIPOC (as they now say across the border) people achieves in a Canadian context.

xp yep, precisely.

pomenitul, Saturday, 26 September 2020 21:29 (three years ago) link

I assume JT’s wording is yet another slightly garbled translation of terminology that makes a bit more sense in specific academic contexts (i.e., anticolonialism within a settler colony).

BIPOC is by no means a US only term ime

rob, Saturday, 26 September 2020 21:31 (three years ago) link

There’s a ton of missing the racism forest for the semantic trees right now, it is getting frustrating.

rob, Saturday, 26 September 2020 21:33 (three years ago) link

You know, on further reflection it might make sense to focus on anti-Black and anti-indigenous racism in the specific context of police violence and incarceration, but I’d have to check Canada’s stats

rob, Saturday, 26 September 2020 21:37 (three years ago) link

I don't think he was talking about that specific context, which would make more sense. Serena Ryder definitely wasn't when she called out "anti-black and anti-indigenous racism" in the virtual Canada Day celebrations!

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Saturday, 26 September 2020 21:39 (three years ago) link

Sure, but specifying that might help. Otherwise you risk making other visible minorities feel like the discrimination they experience on a regular basis can be hand-waved as 'second-tier' racism. Honestly, I think 'racism' pure and simple remains the most useful term of all because it pre-empts potentially divisive, internecine responses.

xp

pomenitul, Saturday, 26 September 2020 21:42 (three years ago) link

Xp
if you wanted to be generous you could say it’s the implied context, but it strikes me as more likely to be somewhat thoughtless trend hopping / being petrified of saying the wrong thing

To be clear I agree with both of you! Just thinking through how this language circulates and why

rob, Saturday, 26 September 2020 21:44 (three years ago) link

I certainly agree that racism manifests itself in different ways and it's important not only to acknowledge that but also to come up with tailor-made measures to fight back against these different 'sub-categories' of racism. From a rhetorical perspective, however, I think Trudeau would do better to resort to more neutral, unifying language while simultaneously targeting the issues specific communities face via policy. So I totally agree with you that, as far as police violence and incarceration rates are concerned, the Native and Black populations of Canada do not require the same kinds of solutions as, say, the Muslim community (especially in Quebec).

pomenitul, Saturday, 26 September 2020 21:50 (three years ago) link

I mean, different groups of women may face different kinds of sexism but he didn't insert qualifiers when he said women's rights are human rights.

The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Saturday, 26 September 2020 21:54 (three years ago) link


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