PS.. is it 5? I think we're on 5 now. PS5

so Elder Scrolls 6, Starfield, next Fallout, Doom, Wolfenstein, Dishonored etc would be all day one on Gamepass?
that's a pretty big card to play just before the consoles launch ngl

if they went exclusive, that might force me to three consoles by 2023.

yes, the main fallout of this is that bethesda games won't be on ps5 beyond the ones that are already announced for it, just xbox and pc

i guess i don't mind so much when microsoft buys a decent but failing studio like obsidian but mega acquisitions like this one are certainly bad for consumers

yeh feels like a big move towards market consolidation.
was trying to think who Sony could even possibly buy to counter it.
the likes of Ubisoft are too big, Square outside of FF too niche. Capcom maybe with MH and RE?

Ugh, you're right. There will probably be a counter response of some sort.

don't think anything sony could do would have the same degree of impact. jp devs and jp game fans already favor their platform so they don't gain much there. i hope this ends up just being a one off thing

they should buy microsoft. checkmate

shouldn't apple buy sony?

the ps4 library could be cleanly folded into the apple arcade

apple does not care about video games

oh, i was just kidding, heh

i think they do sort of care about games (they managed to get me to pay $5 a month to them for it), but not in the same way that sony does

I'm still kinda scratching my head about Apple Arcade and their long-term visions for gaming that never last. Hopefully AA lasts even three years

its just there to add some value to their hardware & existing services, they have no plans to fully enter games and no interest in the Core Gamer audience that microsoft and sony compete over

Even if they only managed to fund 100 indie games and collapse, I suppose it's a net good

I kinda shrugged at this news, tbh. I didn't even buy or want to buy the most recent Doom and Wolfenstein installments (Eternal and ... Youngblood?), never played any Fallouts, don't even know what Elder Scrolls or Dishonored is. Though I'm sure some of these things must be absolute juggernauts or something, since I *am* constantly impressed at the dollar amounts of this industry. It sometimes seems like a bunch of parallel shadow mainstreams. That is, it was remarkable that, say, Red Dead Redemption 2 reportedly was the highest grossing "opening weekend" release of all time or whatever, and yet the game is nowhere near as pop-culture prominent as a big blockbuster summer event movie, as far as I can tell. Then again, per dollars, I think I saw that Microsoft has more cash on hand than the entire value of Sony, so I guess there are just always varying scales of massive success visible to anyone curious enough to seek the numbers out.

You haven't played any Fallout in the last 25 years?? Sadness.
Skyrim was a massive pop phenonemon, they're still porting that shit 9 years later. That said my copy is still unopened

Oh, wait, Skyrim is Elder Scrolls? I know that one, though I've never played it. Otherwise, I've never played any PC/computer games post Apple IIGS, and aside from early Atari/Coleco systems I've never had any non-Nintendo systems until my PS4. And I've never played anything online. So no Fallout for me.

ooh. ok now i understand your Switch lack-of-release bitterness

RDR2 did seem pretty massive when it came out, but it sounds like it didn't leave a lasting impression. It's weird because a lot of money and time is put into the single player adventure of these games (GTA IV/V too) but if there isn't a successful forever-multiplayer component it's forgotten so fast

Skyrim was amazing. Sank 200+ hours into that game (and similar with F3) but won't be that bothered if future iterations are XBox exclusive as don't have that kind of time these days anyway

And it was only the recent Fallout that was online Josh xps

Also was it this thread where people were on about the combat in Spider-man vs that of Batman?

Been playing Spider-man and the combat is superb and definitely doesn't feel like button mashing to me - my 10 year old has played it even more than me and he's pulling off these beautiful, varied, flowing combos

I do love that a large segment of people I follow on twitter picked, as the one redeeming possibility here, that this could mean a Fallout New Vegas sequel

Re: Batman v Spiderman (allonethread), I think you're sorta right. Batman felt like random button mashing to me, but Spiderman (like God of War) has tons of specific combos. However, in both cases I chose to just button mash, because it was a lot easier than remembering all those combos.

However, in both cases I chose to just button mash, because it was a lot easier than remembering all those combos.

Same here, which is why I don't much like either game (though I actually bothered to finish GOW) (or any Platinum titles that I've tried).

i can't even

Batman’s combo system is less forgiving iirc, so I did a lot more button mashing because my timing is shit

Spider-Man lets you do things a lot more loosely and isn’t based on hitting the buttons at the exact right time

Yeah, I was going to say, if you're mashing buttons on Batman, you're only hurting yourself.

and goons of course

lol I think I mostly mashed one button, with the occasional takedown two-button combo, while spamming the batarang. . Iirc the (negative) Dunkey review of "City," while done for laughs, shows him fighting one handed, just hitting that one button over and over again.

The genius of Batman - and of the games like Spider and Gow after it - are the awesome animations that make you seem like you are doing a lot more.

You can do that in Batman, but it’s overall more frustrating and you don’t get all the points (or whatever the system is, it’s been a while) that you get from successfully doing combos and beating the combo challenges

Iirc the points could be spent on attacks and other moves, which I didn't find I needed so much.

OK, speaking of Spider-man *and* PS5, I just saw that the PS4 game is getting a remaster (already) for the PS5, but only available if you get the deluxe version of the Miles game (for either PS4 or PS5). A press release noted:

"The remaster for the PS5 is no simple up-res, as many of the game's art assets have been completely updated to take advantage of the PS5 console's horsepower. You'll see better-looking characters with improved skin, eyes, hair, and facial animation (including our new, next-generation Peter Parker)."

"You'll also see ray-traced reflections and ambient shadows, improved lighting, more pedestrians and vehicles stretching further into the distance, and the same optional performance mode offered on Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales, allowing you to finally play the game at a targeted 60FPS frame rate. We'll be supporting near-instant loading, 3D audio, and the DualSense controller's haptic feedback. Lastly we're adding three amazing new Spider-Man suits, new photo mode features, and even new trophies for those of you looking to Platinum the game all over again."

Which all sounds fine, but if anything Spider-man looked pretty good already, so it remains to be seen what *more* good might look like, let alone if "improved skin, eyes, hair, and facial animation" doesn't just fall even further into the uncanny valley.

Did the graphics on the PS4 change drastically from its launch to, well, now? Last of Us Remastered was pretty early in its lifespan but looked pretty good to me, stuff like Uncharted 4 (which people like the look of) came soon after. Spider-man and God of War and RDR2 and Ghost of Tsushima and LOU2 are more recent, and all look pretty good if not radically better (to my eyes) than what came before on the system. I wonder how far along PS5 will get before it offers something that sets a new graphical standard?

we'll see if that's BS or not with the new models / 3D audio / etc in the PS5 SM:GOTY remaster

Last of Us Remastered vs. Last of Us II is a pretty big difference in visual quality in models, environments and animations, good to show how far they went from peak PS3 to peak PS4 graphics. i haven't even seen the game in 4K but i imagine it'll look even nicer on PS5

the demons souls remake is the only ps5 launch title that's ps5-only and not cross-gen i think? though that's still a remake of a PS3 game with the game world designed accordingly with smaller areas etc

god of war 2 (5?) will probably be the first real graphics showoff game

miles morales spider-man is a ps5 launch title, right? that’s an exclusive

tbh the moment Horizon whatever is released I’ll be on this like flies on shit

There is a part of me that wants to buy one of these repellent eyesores and develop a Josh in Chicagoesque schtick where I come on here regularly to complain at length about how every game is just a camera behind a guy running around breaking stuff

xp yes but it's a ps4 game with an enhanced ps5 version

i think horizon 2 is also gonna be ps4

yes, they confirmed. but since it's not launch it might be worth waiting to get a PS5 for

Think H2 will probably be a Christmas market 2021 release and there may be some Black Friday PS5 deals around next year - but probably only saving you thirty bucks or something.

How long was the PS4 out before it had its first price drop?

wasn't that only when the pro came out? 2016, so 3 years

had a look thru my emails and I bought my PS4 a year after launch during what must have been a Black Friday deal for £289 down from £349.
wonder how long it will take for a PS5 to dip under what is obviously my unconscious price ceiling of £300.

Does anyone know how (or if) backward compatibility will work if you buy the PS5 digital edition but have physical copies of PS4 games?

Pretty sure they confirmed it just won't work. If you want to play physical PS4 games you need the non-digital PS5.

I believe that's correct, all the more reason to get the disc version. PSN purchases probably OK i guess.

Same applies to the free PS5 upgrades, there are a bunch of games where owning a PS4 copy will entitle you to a PS5 upgrade, but physical copies will only upgrade on the non-digital PS5.

PS5 without disc would force you to re-purchase your PS4 discs

what i'd like to know is if disc PS5 will also force you to download ps4 games again or if it installs them from the blu-ray, they haven't confirmed that afaik