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My 2014-15 MBP-15-Retina battery is also on the way out (900+ recharge cycles, tends to shut down if you tax it with anything more strenuous than web-surfing when it's below 60%). The tutorial I saw was 55 steps... to *remove* the old one. I have zero confidence I could do it myself. I tried to isolate the display issue with my old Toshiba W8.1 laptop (bought spring 2013, retired when I got the Mac) to see if I could get it working as a backup for the kids; it's still in bits under the bed several weeks later.

Β£200 to keep this thing going until the last MacOS update it receives (should be good for a couple after Big Sur, right?) seems acceptable. But not yet.

Michael Jones, Monday, 21 September 2020 10:01 (two months ago) link

The fixit tutorial seems to be several steps above and beyond, possibly in the name of caution/overkill. The OWC (video) tutorial still seems like a pain, but doesn't contain nearly as many steps:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lue6lVWhh4o

The biggest concern seems to be care/handling of the battery. There is no way to know how stuck on there it is after so many years, so yeah, may take some time/work/caution. Second after that are the number of connections, but I've changed out my hard drive before and that part doesn't seem nearly as concerning. Last are the screws, which are tiny but which are just screws. I have a compatible screwdriver set already, but if I got a kit it would come with new ones, I guess.

I'm leaning toward going through the authorized rep. $200 vs. $90 is not a terrible difference for such an important component (and potentially problematic and def. PIA DIY project).

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 21 September 2020 12:58 (two months ago) link

I think 5-6 years life on any laptop is decent enough nowadays

Nhex, Monday, 21 September 2020 13:06 (two months ago) link

Again, not talking about the laptop. Laptop is fine! It's the battery. Seems silly to replace a laptop for the battery, it's a bit like replacing a car for new tires.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 21 September 2020 13:19 (two months ago) link

A few points: lithium polymer batteries can catch fire if they are pierced. The Apple repair job is more or less guaranteed not to wreck your machine. Exposure to major solvents is not a healthy thing to do. And you’ve no way of knowing if the third party battery has the same actual capacity as the original part.
I repair the shit out of MacBooks all the time but I would hesitate before tackling a glued in battery. Check it out on ifixit and YouTube first hey.

assert (MatthewK), Monday, 21 September 2020 13:38 (two months ago) link

I think 5-6 years life on any laptop is decent enough nowadays
I would like to agree but unfortunately they stopped making good laptops 5-6 years ago, which is why I’m still using 2013 hardware.

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Monday, 21 September 2020 14:02 (two months ago) link

What’s a major solvent?

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Monday, 21 September 2020 14:03 (two months ago) link

caek, you're making me feel bad for not replacing the keyboard myself (and the battery along with it), but when I revisit this dude's guide, my stance is still 'fuck it, I'm glad I dished out an extra 150 (Canuck) bucks':

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXJBAlM32NY

pomenitul, Monday, 21 September 2020 14:10 (two months ago) link

Some years ago I looked into upgrading the CPU of our MacAir. Everyone said it was impossible except this one dude I found online with an epic instructional video involving solvents, soldering, the whole deal. The video itself was I want to say 90 minutes at least, and super intricate. I immediately thought, who the fuck would do this? So I read the comments and people were indeed asking, hold up, how in the world did you get these skills? Turns out the dude was a former Apple factory employee from China. I figured if it was a PIA for him (however achievable) then no way would I even consider it.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 21 September 2020 14:38 (two months ago) link

my new air seems good

All cars are bad (Euler), Monday, 21 September 2020 15:35 (two months ago) link

i've shared this guy's videos before. great lad

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl2mFZoRqjw_ELax4Yisf6w

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Monday, 21 September 2020 16:34 (two months ago) link

What’s a major solvent?
Anything other than water or ethanol - acetone, xylene, naphtha, DMSO. They're all carcinogens to varying extents. It's not a technical term tho, just an adjective I chose.

assert (MatthewK), Monday, 21 September 2020 20:55 (two months ago) link

I mean don’t huff it but acetone is a household chemical. I don’t think there’s much additional personal risk from using it in these amounts one time in a world where people drive cars and use bleach.

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Monday, 21 September 2020 23:14 (two months ago) link

I stand corrected on acetone - years of working in labs have given me a dread of all the solvents we used to work with happily on the bench, and later found out to be major health risks (formalin, xylene etc), so I over-generalised.

assert (MatthewK), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 01:28 (two months ago) link

ach, formalin's not a solvent but you know what I mean. Just remembered all the tissue clearing I did with chloroform too, sitting next to the wax embedding gear on a sunny afternoon.

assert (MatthewK), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 01:29 (two months ago) link

Sent my old iPhone 7 back to apple fo get a battery replacement and I’d say the new battery has about 75 pct of the capacity of one that comes with a new phone (though batttery health shows 100 pct unsurprisingly)

calstars, Tuesday, 29 September 2020 10:22 (one month ago) link

maybe let it run down to zero a couple times to dial it in - battery estimation is an inexact science, especially with a new one.

assert (MatthewK), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 10:33 (one month ago) link

i'm using my iphone 6s as a webcam, it's very nice!

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 17:56 (one month ago) link

What software are you using to do that? I tried to get my old 6s running with CamTwist on my MacBook, but nothing shows up.

beard papa, Thursday, 1 October 2020 18:33 (one month ago) link

Camo

https://www.benkuhn.net/vc/

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Thursday, 1 October 2020 18:46 (one month ago) link

40 € a year?

All cars are bad (Euler), Thursday, 1 October 2020 20:01 (one month ago) link

It's recurring? Didn't see that. There are other apps, too, but I feel like our phone already gets abused enough daily without turning it into a constant video conferencing driver.

Nhex, Thursday, 1 October 2020 21:30 (one month ago) link

yeah it's $$ but i have sympathy for the view that subscription is really the only way to make indie development work these days, and $0.99 is not going to cut it for a team. also my work pays for mine hahaha.

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Thursday, 1 October 2020 22:24 (one month ago) link

fwiw I ended up going the official route for a battery replacement. $199 all in, including tax and shipping to my home and includes for the sake of simplicity a new keyboard, trackpad etc is better than the DIY route which would have cost $90 plus tax and shipping, plus might have blown up. They are already a day past the work estimate though.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 October 2020 23:00 (one month ago) link

I will say the repair process is starting to make me a little irrationally angry. I dropped the computer off on Sunday, they gave me a completion estimate for September 30th. The last automated update I got was first thing in the morning on the 29th which said the repair was in progress. Having looked into this I know for a fact the repair as they do it, just replacing that whole part of the computer, does not take days, so I'm getting a little impatient, even though getting it back by now would still have been pretty fast.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 2 October 2020 17:52 (one month ago) link

Ok, all I wanted from these ding dongs was a new battery. Now I get a vague email claiming that they want authorization to do a new repair, this one costing not $199, but $999 (!), plus tax. It's unclear what the problem is, at least until I speak to them, but it might involve changes I made to the computer, which include putting in a new hard drive and adding RAM. Yet that should have absolutely nothing to do with a $1,000 repair, since there was nothing wrong with those parts of the computer, I just wanted a new battery! Either way, as if I would pay $1,000 to repair a 5-year-old MacBook. But now I'm forced to wait for the stupid store to open just for the satisfaction of yelling at a human.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 3 October 2020 12:57 (one month ago) link

Easy tiger

calstars, Saturday, 3 October 2020 13:00 (one month ago) link

Pfft, if you can't get mad after bringing in a computer for a new battery then hearing back that not only did they not put in a new battery, now they want to charge you several hundred dollars more for an unspecified repair, essentially totaling the cost of a new computer, then I guess you can't get mad at anything. I feel bad for the suckers that get messages like this and okay the repair.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 3 October 2020 13:13 (one month ago) link

that is fucking insane and I am sorry for suggesting the official repair was a better idea

assert (MatthewK), Saturday, 3 October 2020 13:18 (one month ago) link

okay, I just got off the phone with Apple, and in some ways it makes perfect sense and is also crazier than it seems. a while back I installed a hard drive and some RAM myself with generic, non-Apple components. Apple, however, whenever they so much as do anything beyond opening up a computer, automatically adds a 90-day work guarantee to whatever repairs or changes they make. But because there were non-Apple components I installed in the machine, Apple would not/could not invoke its 90-day work warranty. So that $1,000 quote was in essence a fee for replacing my perfectly good hard drive and perfectly good RAM with Apple versions of that hard drive and RAM so that Apple could add that 90-day warranty to its work, in this case simply replacing my battery. Long story short, they will not replace my battery - or essentially do anything to my computer, ever, even though it is out of warranty and I want to give them my money - unless I have Apple replace my hard drive and RAM with Apple products.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 3 October 2020 14:48 (one month ago) link

wow, that is super obnoxious

Nhex, Saturday, 3 October 2020 16:35 (one month ago) link

okay, so I now have some cash, and want to buy a new laptop. should i continue to wait until Apple unveils these ARM machines or just plunge in...

tbh i'm working on a 2013 13" MBP and it served my needs well until a year or so agoβ€” i've started needing to utilize InDesign and Acrobat a lot more for work and other purposes, and the machine simply cannot keep up with my commands at this point.

other than this, I'm mostly using it to write, download/listen to/manage my digital music files, as well as teach seminars and such.

i know i asked about this over the summer, but thought it wise to ask again, since things might have changed? anyway, i'm sorry i'm such a clueless idiot about this stuff, i just don't have time to parse through all these reviews that litter the internet.

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Monday, 5 October 2020 14:39 (one month ago) link

and thanks in advance for any help!

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Monday, 5 October 2020 14:40 (one month ago) link

I would wait if you can, they've said they will introduce the first ARM laptop before the year's out and it will probably be a 13 incher.

calstars, Monday, 5 October 2020 15:09 (one month ago) link

i'd wait as well, unless you have specific needs for Intel

Nhex, Monday, 5 October 2020 15:23 (one month ago) link

Go for used, every time. The depreciation is insane on these things. At least with recent generations the RAM is on the motherboard and the chance of a non Apple SSD is very low, so you won’t run into the scenario you’re in now. That said, the SSDs can be third party upgraded up until a few years ago.

assert (MatthewK), Monday, 5 October 2020 17:08 (one month ago) link

Thanks y'all. Going to put some dough aside for the purpose. I appreciate it!

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Monday, 5 October 2020 18:18 (one month ago) link

Thread title does not deliver

DT, Monday, 5 October 2020 23:47 (one month ago) link

In waiting for arm but it i depended on a specific non apple big application like indesign I would wait to hear there plans and err on the side of getting an intel. And yeah used is a pretty good deal on macs these days (better than it used to be, and I can only imagine that gets even better as the impending arm transition drives used intel Mac prices down).

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 00:09 (one month ago) link

Thanks again for the advice, all. I ended up plunking down for one of the newer, faster Airs, refurbished (of course). With my education discount and AppleCare plus tax, turned out to be $1400. Arrives on Wednesday. Will report back!

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Monday, 12 October 2020 15:08 (one month ago) link

I've started using Spaces and just switched to a new MacBook. Why is the dock now showing only on my main workspace and not the others? I can't find this setting anywhere in preferences for mission control or dock. Googling finds no answer. What's going on??

Alba, Tuesday, 13 October 2020 13:21 (one month ago) link

Oh, I figured it out. I was creating new workspaces (or are they called desktops?) by dragging the apps up there in Mission Control. That creates them in full screen mode, in which you can't see the dock unless you do some weird double-swipe manoeuvre that I'm completely unable to replicate except by chance. More zoom window, less full screen window is the answer for me.

Alba, Tuesday, 13 October 2020 13:59 (one month ago) link

This shit shouldn't be this hard, even for an ageing doofus like me.

Alba, Tuesday, 13 October 2020 13:59 (one month ago) link

They are called Spaces but named Desktop 1, Desktop 2, Desktop 3, etc. (Thanks Apple.)

Nhex, Tuesday, 13 October 2020 14:05 (one month ago) link

At home I prefer a deskspace over something like a worktop. But on the road I’m all about purpose-driven stacked control views, separated by spaces

calstars, Tuesday, 13 October 2020 14:36 (one month ago) link

I’ve been a Mac guy forever and still have never used Spaces.

DJI, Tuesday, 13 October 2020 15:02 (one month ago) link

I use a lot of spaces, one for each writing project that I'm actively working on, plus one for mail, calendar, bibliography manager, another for browser. I would not want to do without it, even though the old 3x3 grid version was better.

All cars are bad (Euler), Tuesday, 13 October 2020 15:04 (one month ago) link

Long time user of Spaces - especially so now that I work from home and only have one monitor. ILX gets its own space.

beard papa, Friday, 16 October 2020 19:58 (one month ago) link

Maybe I should try it out.

DJI, Friday, 16 October 2020 21:33 (one month ago) link

alright maybe someone here knows the answer to this: is there a way to see the files that you have uploaded to the iCloud music library and ONLY those files? Apparently I hit 100,000 uploaded files (this doesn't count things I just added via Apple Music, but actual files I've uploaded that weren't in Apple Music, or didn't match); this seems basically impossible to me. But I can't find a way to see these files by themselves. Anyone know if this is possible?

akm, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:09 (one month ago) link


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