Tonight I'll be doing pull-ups on the toilet POLL - Artist Poll #104 - THE REPLACEMENTS Voting Thread

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For a while The Replacements were provisionally sketched in for poll #55. #104 will have to do.

You are invited to submit any or all of the following:

(a) TOP REPLACEMENTS TRACKS - up to 30, ranked or unranked
Any track released under the Replacements name.

(b) TOP SOLO / SIDE-PROJECT TRACKS - up to 20, ranked or unranked
Tracks released by any member solo, or in other projects where they were credited with a central creative or songwriting role.

(c) TOP ALBUMS - up to 5
I'm inclined to allow any Replacements album or associated solo project, etc.

Ballots to vaticanroulette AT gmail DOT com, with your username. A Replacements-related subject line would also be helpful for ease of identification.

Provisional deadline: October 4th though a small extension seems almost inevitable with these things.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Friday, 18 September 2020 23:58 (one year ago) link

ALSO:

Thanks Chris L for the thread title!

I propose familiar "40, 36, 33, 30, 28..." weightings for ranked tracks, and "5, 4, 3, 2, 1" for ranked albums. Unranked ballots use a flat 17, 22 and 3 points for a, b and c respectively.

Here's a no doubt flawed list of commercially-released Replacements recordings to get you started:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JgVyVO_-eKgs5qrYs5SEsmhYi4tLkf4w8qQp65I0h6E/edit?usp=sharing

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Friday, 18 September 2020 23:59 (one year ago) link

thanks for starting a new poll Nag! Nag! Nag!, we needed someone to do it.

i have owned three of their albums but don't know them inside and out. i'm going to try my best to vote in this.

Bee OK, Saturday, 19 September 2020 00:04 (one year ago) link

i used that same concept except i started at 50, 46, 43 ect...

Bee OK, Saturday, 19 September 2020 00:05 (one year ago) link

update the voting thread, some people have that bookmarked for such an occasion.

Bee OK, Saturday, 19 September 2020 00:08 (one year ago) link

Oh yeah. Thanks!

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Saturday, 19 September 2020 00:13 (one year ago) link

Unranked as a flat 17, 5 and 3 points respectively.

I don't think I've encountered that one--does that mean 17 for first 10, 5 for middle 10, 3 for the last 10? I often needlessly complicate polls by coming up with my own scoring system (but I like that one fine if I'm reading it right).

clemenza, Saturday, 19 September 2020 00:13 (one year ago) link

your not, 17.5 for the mail poll and 3 points for the albums part...

Bee OK, Saturday, 19 September 2020 00:16 (one year ago) link

although i never got an albums ballot that was untranked, that would be strange.

Bee OK, Saturday, 19 September 2020 00:17 (one year ago) link

Perhaps not the clearest paragraph there. Just "17, 17, 17, 17..." 30 over times for a 30-track ranked ballot. And 10 5's, and 5 3's for polls b and c. [XPOST. Yeah, what Bee OK said. :) Not counting on unranked albums, but I always get some surprises.]

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Saturday, 19 September 2020 00:21 (one year ago) link

Is there any completely new material (as in not on any older reissues or comps) on the Pleased to Meet Me deluxe set that’s out on October 9? Not that I see it making much difference in the poll, but for completist’s sake...

A White, White Gay (cryptosicko), Saturday, 19 September 2020 00:21 (one year ago) link

Xpost: Whoops, "30-track UNranked ballot"

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Saturday, 19 September 2020 00:24 (one year ago) link

Okay--so we get 510 points for the song poll.

I'll be back.

clemenza, Saturday, 19 September 2020 00:25 (one year ago) link

i even read that wrong, 17 each for the main poll, i got 17.5 for some reason but 17 makes sense as it works with the math. again i increase it by 10 points for each but this works too.

Bee OK, Saturday, 19 September 2020 00:32 (one year ago) link

Yeah, you get a bonus 7 points (totals of 517 vs 510) if you rank your 30 tracks. :)

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Saturday, 19 September 2020 00:37 (one year ago) link

That's an interesting point re the PTMM deluxe thingy. There are maybe a dozen demos with titles that don't ring any bells for me:

https://store.rhino.com/pleased-to-meet-me-deluxe-edition-placemat.html

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Saturday, 19 September 2020 00:56 (one year ago) link

i'm here for it! working on my shortlist now. there's extra stuff i want to dig in from all eras, so i can't wait!

Karl Malone, Saturday, 19 September 2020 01:01 (one year ago) link

I don't know whether I should be makin' this list drunk or sober. May try to split it up and compare in both states.

BlackIronPrison, Saturday, 19 September 2020 01:22 (one year ago) link

i'm going to do a little of both. actually a lot of both

Karl Malone, Saturday, 19 September 2020 01:24 (one year ago) link

*checks news*
*checks calendar*

yes, this is a good time to begin an intense study of the replacements

Karl Malone, Saturday, 19 September 2020 01:24 (one year ago) link

I haven't slept since Monday night, and I'm only drinking enough tonight to get me to pass out for a few solid hours of dream-quality sleep (hopefully) before returning to the office tomorrow to finish what I couldn't finish as a zombie today. So yeah, this is the perfect headspace for knocking my ballot out tonight, thank you ILM

the burrito that defined a generation, Saturday, 19 September 2020 02:34 (one year ago) link

:)

Just had a bit of a dig around. At least five of the PTMM era compositions with no prior commercial release have been bootlegged in some form. Mostly intriguing.

Time is Killing Us
Run For the Country
Learn How to Fail
Trouble on the Way
Lift Her Skirt

That leaves "Awake Tonight", "Hey Shadow" and "Even If It’s Cheap" remaining wholly elusive AFAICT. Until Oct 9, I guess.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Saturday, 19 September 2020 02:46 (one year ago) link

yeah so my mats list is shaping up pretty much the way I'd always expected it to, but

my Paul solo list is lookin a little weird, mostly due to how he formatted (or didn't) the 49:00 album, which I LOVE. any suggestions?

Only Lie Worth Telling
Gun Shy
As Far As I Know
(49:00: Something in My Life is Missing - Terry, Who You Gonna Marry? - Visitor’s Day - Outta My System)
My Daydream
Got You Down
Making Me Go
What About Mine
We May Be the Ones
No Place for You
Best Thing That Never Happened
Love You in the Fall
My Dad
Lookin’ Up in Heaven
World Class Fad

the burrito that defined a generation, Saturday, 19 September 2020 03:24 (one year ago) link

if this poll is worth it’s salt it’ll go ahead and cancel two results in bc its too drunk to continue

also hells yes I will be doing a ballot


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terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 19 September 2020 03:35 (one year ago) link

^ so great pic! also never seen the OG post pic. wow tommy so smol! I mean knew he was a smol but still

the burrito that defined a generation, Saturday, 19 September 2020 04:17 (one year ago) link

yeah, that is unbelievable. i knew he was young when they started, but holy shit

Karl Malone, Saturday, 19 September 2020 04:32 (one year ago) link

its good that they were easy on the eyes

https://alloverthesilence.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/tumblr_mztp6iftrc1qzezj5o3_1280.jpg

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 19 September 2020 05:18 (one year ago) link

xxpost: Maybe 49:00 could be one track? Does a definitive list of distinct songs even exist?

Maybe one track with notes, if you like.

Might be worth noting preferred versions on ballots too, come to think of it. Not least for things like the Dead Man's Pop stuff. I'll combine votes in the final tally, but am happy to keep track of differing versions where a distinction is made.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Saturday, 19 September 2020 05:30 (one year ago) link

that's not tommy, that's tina weymouth's daughter

Karl Malone, Saturday, 19 September 2020 05:40 (one year ago) link

If anyone has or can link to a good post-PTMM list of their work it’d be appreciated.

*Eno voice* - “Their third record sold adequately, but everyone who heard it unfortunately became aware of Kiss.”

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Saturday, 19 September 2020 06:05 (one year ago) link

i don't even know - what are the early period consensus favorites? watching something like this, from 1981, the whole show is brilliant:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHBE7o_WWsI

Karl Malone, Saturday, 19 September 2020 06:20 (one year ago) link

xxpost well i learned something today

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 19 September 2020 06:21 (one year ago) link

if this poll is worth it’s salt it’ll go ahead and cancel two results in bc its too drunk to continue


My ballot will have half of “I Will Dare” before I give up and try listing Thin Lizzy’s “Jailbreak,” then giving up on that, then being handed $100 cash for participating in the poll, which I promptly tear up and set on fire, just before insulting the poster running the poll, despite their hard work. Then I’ll complain at length about my ballot not being counted.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 19 September 2020 08:24 (one year ago) link

<3

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 19 September 2020 15:37 (one year ago) link

I listened to Tim last night and realized most if not all of it will be on my ballot

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 19 September 2020 15:38 (one year ago) link

Same. And weirdly, I could only come up with one Don't Tell A Soul song that I would definitely put on my ballot, and three from All Shook Down...but I feel like I prefer DTAS as an album. Which doesn't make any sense. I have some relistening to do.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 19 September 2020 15:43 (one year ago) link

yep

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 19 September 2020 15:48 (one year ago) link

I feel obligated to participate in this one but I dont' really wanna.

ABBA O RLY? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 19 September 2020 16:02 (one year ago) link

you w-w-w-w-on't?

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 19 September 2020 16:23 (one year ago) link

I went through their discography on Wikipedia and jotted down the 16 easy picks for me. So I'll push my ballot to 20 songs--I don't like to fill out lists with songs I like but don't love.

Does a 20-song ballot get 340 points then?

clemenza, Saturday, 19 September 2020 17:01 (one year ago) link

just picked 16 songs from the big three albums, gotta reacquaint with the rest.

pretty positive I already know what my number one is, though

i got a homogenic björk wine farmer permabanned (voodoo chili), Saturday, 19 September 2020 17:28 (one year ago) link

Anyone considering Dead Man's Pop instead of Don't Tell a Soul? (assuming either would have made your top 5)

birdistheword, Saturday, 19 September 2020 21:23 (one year ago) link

Haven't but certainly would pick the one over the other.

ABBA O RLY? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 19 September 2020 21:33 (one year ago) link

Does a 20-song ballot get 340 points then?

An unranked one does, yes. A ranked ballot gets significantly more as 21-30 get the tiniest weightings.

A few polls back I toyed with giving 'shorter' unranked ballots approximately the same number of total points as a ranked one of the same length, but it meant deciding on a different value per entry for each ballot length, and ever longer explanations. Given that folks overwhelmingly (i) opt for a ranked ballot and (ii) torture themselves for ages over what to leave out, it felt like I was thinking too hard about a 'problem' that barely seems to arise. :)

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Saturday, 19 September 2020 23:31 (one year ago) link

Okay--I'll add up what #1-20 would get on a full ballot and work something out (I generally like to rank the top five songs and then cluster the rest in groups).

clemenza, Sunday, 20 September 2020 01:11 (one year ago) link

sorry ma, forgot to take out the trash kind of rules! it's a little inconsistent, but kick your door down, customer, takin' a ride, shutup...

i am not a replacements live footage connoisseur, but i thought this video was great too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHBE7o_WWsI

there's a second set, too

Karl Malone, Sunday, 20 September 2020 01:26 (one year ago) link

Seeing as I didn't explain it very well up top in English, the proposed scoring in is now in the spreadsheet in the second post. Just to the right of the tracks list. And I changed the side-project weights such that they follow the same basic pattern as the main tracks poll.

Clemenza: just confirming, the total points in a ranked list of twenty is 452, so take that as your total if you want go with bespoke weightings.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Sunday, 20 September 2020 02:41 (one year ago) link

Sent mine in earlier--20 songs, 452 points.

clemenza, Sunday, 20 September 2020 02:54 (one year ago) link

Reminds me of the first time I thought of going to a crossword puzzle contest, which was then a block from my house. I had already registered but I saw some dude going in with a record bag over his shoulder and just couldn't do it, at least not that time.

Erdős-szám 69 (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 4 October 2020 18:41 (one year ago) link

Ballot sent.

Erdős-szám 69 (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 4 October 2020 18:41 (one year ago) link

A bunch of ballots in my mailbox, I see. Nice. That must be 30-something in total now.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Sunday, 4 October 2020 23:16 (one year ago) link

So should we now stop posting and go into deep hibernation cover on the incognito tip until the rollout?

Erdős-szám 69 (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 4 October 2020 23:51 (one year ago) link

ballot sent!

fact checking cuz, Monday, 5 October 2020 00:43 (one year ago) link

i didn't submit a solo/side projects ballot 'cause i couldn't come up with anywhere near 20 of those, but for anyone who hasn't voted yet and is still contemplating, can i lobby for this fantastic tune westerberg co-wrote and recorded with the leatherwoods:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mebxXIPPMs

fact checking cuz, Monday, 5 October 2020 00:45 (one year ago) link

I didn’t submit that part either so that is actually going to be one of the more interesting aspects of the roll-out.

Erdős-szám 69 (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 5 October 2020 01:03 (one year ago) link

I should probably mention that if I haven't acknowledged receipt of your ballot over the last two weeks something has possibly gone awry. Typically within 8 hours or so. (Though I always say this and no irregularities ever seem to emerge, so...)

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 5 October 2020 01:56 (one year ago) link

Up to 34 voters now.

And almost as many solo/other tracks as Replacements tracks cited, from a significantly smaller pool of participants. Might attempt a *complete* playlist of every solo/other track raised seeing as quite a few will surely miss the formal rollout.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 5 October 2020 04:18 (one year ago) link

Intel suggests that it's well into Monday east of the international dateline. So, if those requesting a little more time can submit ballots in the next 18 hours or so that would be immensely pleasing.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 5 October 2020 14:24 (one year ago) link

nag3, it's your man on the inside, reporting in. central time is 10:19am, i repeat, CST is one zero one nine, alpha mike

president of my cat (Karl Malone), Monday, 5 October 2020 15:19 (one year ago) link

I will!

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 5 October 2020 15:20 (one year ago) link

just voted

i got a homogenic björk wine farmer permabanned (voodoo chili), Monday, 5 October 2020 17:02 (one year ago) link

I bought a headache.

Erdős-szám 69 (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 5 October 2020 17:10 (one year ago) link

LOL @ Karl Malone.

Another 12-ish hours...

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 5 October 2020 21:49 (one year ago) link

I have to say that doing this poll was kind of a nice distraction. The default Replacements vibe of "everything sucks, but oh well" is timely.

OTM

Erdős-szám 69 (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 00:15 (one year ago) link

agree

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 01:39 (one year ago) link

I think voters have been overwhelmingly in the USA for this poll. A bit more so than my previous poll collating experiences, anyway. So I'll think I'll try first-thing-the-morning (my time, Melbourne, AEDT) for this rollout. I'll try to spread it out bit more too and hopefully place it around noon to early evening for most of the Americas.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 6 October 2020 02:29 (one year ago) link

Starting with albums perhaps...17 hours from now.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 6 October 2020 02:34 (one year ago) link

So, yeah, obviously get ballots in soon if you intend to submit one. :)

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 6 October 2020 02:53 (one year ago) link

Also: I've been totes digging that Leatherwoods track. Thanks ffc!

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 6 October 2020 02:55 (one year ago) link

fcc, even.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 6 October 2020 02:56 (one year ago) link

Just submitted!

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Tuesday, 6 October 2020 02:57 (one year ago) link

I'll see about a tracks-only ballot shortly...this ended up not being a good time to binge-listen for me.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 02:59 (one year ago) link

ffs

Erdős-szám 69 (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 02:59 (one year ago) link

'Nag!3' - my bad - I just realized in my original ballot, I accidentally pasted a 'draft' from another text file. What I just sent you is my preferred 'ranked' 'Category One' list. If it's too late, and 'Never Mind' gets an extra vote skew - 'Never Mind' I guess!

BlackIronPrison, Tuesday, 6 October 2020 03:04 (one year ago) link

lol this deadline feels v punk rock now

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 03:13 (one year ago) link

I've been totes digging that Leatherwoods track

glad you like. that whole leatherwoods album -- they only made one -- is really good!

fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 6 October 2020 05:25 (one year ago) link

ffs

works for me, kinda like a rolling pin.

fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 6 October 2020 05:28 (one year ago) link

SENT!

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 05:44 (one year ago) link

Okay, I'll close this thing now to finalise the albums and solo/other stats. I'll begin the rollout with those, hopefully in the morning (my time), perhaps 10 hours from now.

Though if anyone sneaks in a last minute submission for the main tracks poll while I sleep I'm hardly going to exclude it from the tally. :)

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 6 October 2020 10:01 (one year ago) link

wait for me!

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 10:15 (one year ago) link

sent!

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 10:17 (one year ago) link

*thumbs up*

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 6 October 2020 10:25 (one year ago) link

I would think you'd get a lot of voters in that one--at least 40.
― clemenza, Friday, September 18, 2020

Pretty close, it turns out: 38

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 6 October 2020 10:59 (one year ago) link

XXXPOST:
If it's too late, and 'Never Mind' gets an extra vote skew - 'Never Mind' I guess!

I meant to mention that. I removed the duplicate at the time and intended ask whether you wanted to substitute something else in. Sorry!

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 6 October 2020 11:43 (one year ago) link

Anything you want, I’ll Nag! Nag! Nag!

Erdős-szám 69 (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 15:00 (one year ago) link

38 votes, nice! i'm excited for all of this.

president of my cat (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 15:09 (one year ago) link

re: albums you know it's not that I think PTMM is exponentially greater than any of the records from the classic run. I just think for really the only time in Paul's career solo or otherwise, they found a perfect producer where the whole ends up being more than the sum of the parts.

campreverb, Tuesday, 6 October 2020 15:18 (one year ago) link

Ha, that is definitely clear from listening to all their albums back to back. They were recorded and mixed badly in many different ways! Although I don't mind the murk on Let It Be, it suits the album.

38 votes, nice! i'm excited for all of this.

Almost posted a link to them playing “Saturday Night Special”

Erdős-szám 69 (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 16:05 (one year ago) link

When I listened on LPs the messed up recording could bother me a bit, but now with streaming/remastering/listening through earbuds there is kind of a flattening effect.

Erdős-szám 69 (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 16:07 (one year ago) link

Hell-o-o?

Erdős-szám 69 (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 19:27 (one year ago) link

nag3, it's your man on the inside, reporting in. central time is 2:28pm, i repeat, CST is four teen two eight, charlie mike

president of my cat (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 19:28 (one year ago) link

Haha. Okay, I think I'm ready....

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Tuesday, 6 October 2020 19:58 (one year ago) link

wow, almost exactly 10 hours later!!

president of my cat (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 19:59 (one year ago) link

tbh, such punctuality seems at odds with the spirit of the replacements, but still, i'm here for it

president of my cat (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 19:59 (one year ago) link


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