Specifically when you plant your petard next to the fortress wall but don’t run away fast enough and get flung into the air (hoist) by the blast
― sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Friday, 18 September 2020 16:16 (three years ago) link
That’s how we learned it in basic training obv
― sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Friday, 18 September 2020 16:17 (three years ago) link
I never bothered to look into it (obvs) and just always assumed it was like a jock strap or something. Perhaps a portmanteau of 'peter' and 'leotard'. Like casting out a line and catching your own dick with the hook.
― Wessonality Crisis (Old Lunch), Friday, 18 September 2020 16:19 (three years ago) link
hoist by your own petard = blown up by your own bomb. I thin
Yeah it's this. I always pictured someone getting run through with a sword and slightly lifted off their feet.
― Josefa, Friday, 18 September 2020 16:41 (three years ago) link
i always assumed it was like a pike or spear, and in my mind hoisting yourself on your own mean you were running too fast, got the tip stuck in the ground, and kind of pole-vaulted yourself up into the air
― joygoat, Friday, 18 September 2020 16:45 (three years ago) link
My mental image was something along the lines of Old Lunch's post. Like a belt/jockstrap version of "pulling oneself up by one's own bootstraps."
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 18 September 2020 16:57 (three years ago) link
Since I learned the actual meaning I’ve completely forgotten what I imagined it to mean before.
― sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Friday, 18 September 2020 16:58 (three years ago) link
I swear there was some story I read as a preteen that even had an illustration of the saying: a character unwittingly tying himself to a pulley attached to a pole when he meant to tie something else to it and then he pulled on the rope and lifted himself skyward and was unable to get down
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 18 September 2020 17:05 (three years ago) link
^^ - I have a very similar memory of such an illustration
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 18 September 2020 17:06 (three years ago) link
There's a scene in the Pink Panther with David Niven and Capucine where she tries to say this while drunk and it is charming
― velcro-magnon (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 18 September 2020 17:07 (three years ago) link
https://www.zbook.ir/the-chronicles-of-narnia/the-horse-and-his-boy/chapter-12-15/images/pic05.jpg
the petard of tash hoists from above
― mookieproof, Friday, 18 September 2020 17:08 (three years ago) link
thought petard was another word for "gallows" and you were being hung by your own rope
― a certain derecho (brownie), Friday, 18 September 2020 17:11 (three years ago) link
Perhaps a portmanteau of 'peter' and 'leotard'.
I'm absolutely dying at this reverse-engineered explanation, and will never be able to think of "hoist by his own petard" in any other way.
― Orson Well Yeah (Dan Peterson), Friday, 18 September 2020 17:20 (three years ago) link
it’s French. it means bomb. “peter” the verb means to burst or explode (or fart)
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 18 September 2020 17:48 (three years ago) link
v embarrassing to be killed by your own fart
― Josefa, Friday, 18 September 2020 17:55 (three years ago) link
xphence petomaneas in the cabaret artist whose art form was the fart and who was later played by leonard Rossiter in 1970 odd.
& i Think unfortunately that became a derogatory name for gays didn't it?
― Stevolende, Friday, 18 September 2020 17:55 (three years ago) link
Probably even more embarrassing to survive being hoist by it
― sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Friday, 18 September 2020 17:56 (three years ago) link
Verily, sirrah, it appears that you have petered into your own leotard.
― Wessonality Crisis (Old Lunch), Friday, 18 September 2020 17:56 (three years ago) link
Count me in as another one who imagined "hoist by your own petard" to be some kind of wedgie situation.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 18 September 2020 18:15 (three years ago) link
I used to think petard was a kind of sword, and that the phrase meant you had attacked someone who managed to get the sword away from you and attack you with it.
― nickn, Friday, 18 September 2020 18:16 (three years ago) link
I figured petard was some kind of sailing thing, like you'd be hoisting the mizzen and end up in the crow's nest from some Wiley Coyote rope incident.
― Jaq, Friday, 18 September 2020 20:15 (three years ago) link
so in conclusion hoist by your own petard means being lifted into the air by your own fart right, and being unable to get down when the fart freezes in Minnesota wintertime and your fart is holding you up like an inverted bicycle seat
― Neanderthal, Saturday, 19 September 2020 01:15 (three years ago) link
Totally thought it was a halberd
― retail rage is for suckers (Hunt3r), Saturday, 19 September 2020 03:14 (three years ago) link
Rob Halberd of Jubas Briest
― origami condom (Neanderthal), Saturday, 19 September 2020 03:15 (three years ago) link
Extent of negative effect of grapefruits on the way certain pills work.As in can pretty much counter teh effect and isn't just a random thing.
In some cases they increase the effect. If you take amlodipine for hypertension grapefruit can somehow increase the concentration and you can pass out with low blood pressure
― here we go, ten in a rona (onimo), Saturday, 19 September 2020 11:02 (three years ago) link
I can't eat grapefruits and they wuz my fav citrus fruit, bloomin big pharma.& whatever chemical processes taht is.
― Stevolende, Saturday, 19 September 2020 12:49 (three years ago) link
I asked my doctor if I could replace the pills with the grapefruit and got a perfectly condescending "it doesn't quite work that way" in response
― here we go, ten in a rona (onimo), Saturday, 19 September 2020 12:53 (three years ago) link
Hard to swallow... Even with water.
Someone on Star Trek: Enterprise had a grapefruit intolerance. Why do I remember that?
― koogs, Saturday, 19 September 2020 13:33 (three years ago) link
It was pineapple
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Silent_Enemy_(episode)
― koogs, Saturday, 19 September 2020 13:39 (three years ago) link
I've read that grapefruit is helpful for alleviating the effects of tear gas
So there's that
― velcro-magnon (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 19 September 2020 21:24 (three years ago) link
My wife takes quietapine (seroquel) for bipolar and you cant have grapefruit on it because it can cause an increase in the effects or something? It's already a horrendously strong sedative
― rascal clobber (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 19 September 2020 22:29 (three years ago) link
I think it clashes with a diabetes 2 thing I take.
― Stevolende, Saturday, 19 September 2020 23:15 (three years ago) link
I've got quite a thread volley going on. Look up Sousa for the instrumental music thread, then learn a bunch of stuff about his hobbies as well as his hatred for recorded music. And it is there I saw:
"canned music", a reference to the early wax cylinder records that came in can-like cylindrical cardboard boxes.
I always thought it meant "canned" as if you got it from a can, like canned soup! I had no idea it was a reference to the original can-shaped cylindars!
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 20 September 2020 13:10 (three years ago) link
Canned laughter is another term for fake studio laughter isn't it?
― Stevolende, Monday, 21 September 2020 00:34 (three years ago) link
For sure. "Canned" means "recorded," a la the shape Edison cylinders.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 21 September 2020 01:59 (three years ago) link
i also had always read "canned music" in "mass-produced, packaged, fake, comes out of a can" rather than "wax cylinders." and i read a whole book on labor and automation that referred a lot to "canned" music. (tbf the author may have actually explained this at some point and my eyes gone past it...)
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 21 September 2020 02:34 (three years ago) link
Whether or not "canned music" referred to wax cylinders in the 1920s or thereabouts, by the 1960s it referred to selections of music to be piped into shopping venues, prepared, packaged and labelled for convenience like canned soup, most famously from the Muzak Corporation.
― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Monday, 21 September 2020 02:44 (three years ago) link
i'm just wondering whether that meaning and/or the negative connotations came in part because of the use of "canned" in (ultimately unsuccessful) campaigns by unionized live musicians to convince consumers not to settle for the "canned" stuff... this would have been in the 30s iirc, with the end of the silent movie era for one thing being a huge problem for working musicians.... i should dig up the title of this book tomorrow, it had some really good stuff in it. but definitely a lot of the word "canned."
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 21 September 2020 03:23 (three years ago) link
The 1942-1944 musicians' strike
― Hideous Lump, Monday, 21 September 2020 06:16 (three years ago) link
I remember hearing that muzak was based in Seattle so some of the grunge scene musicians were making ends meet by working there.
― Stevolende, Monday, 21 September 2020 06:47 (three years ago) link
was about to post something lame like a Canned Heat record sleeve (the band, not the Jamiroquai song), but it turns out the phrase “canned heat” is quite interesting in itself. It refers to “fuel made from denatured and jellied alcohol, designed to be burned directly from its can” (cans sold commercially in stores, that is) and is an early 20th century thing (invented around 1900). During Prohibition and the Great Depression it was widely used as a surrogate (but toxic) alcohol:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHw1ugBLS5g(otoh, in pro wrestling the term used for pre-recorded booing or cheering)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canned_Heat_(disambiguation)
― No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Monday, 21 September 2020 07:12 (three years ago) link
Sterno-brand canned heat (maybe among others) is still a thing - used it regularly to keep chafing dishes warm when I worked banquet events at the Holiday Inn. I was probably introduced to the concept by The Andromeda Strain, where its consumption as hooch by an alcoholic drifter provides a crucial clue to the titular disease's particular pathology.
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 21 September 2020 13:42 (three years ago) link
Like Sterno Fuel, another form of alcohol that was available legally during Prohibition was called Jake. Jake was a ginger extract from Jamaica that was sold for medicinal purposes but was approximately 70% alcohol. When drank in large quantities, another chemical in Jake caused deterioration of the spinal cord. In the 20s and 30s, Jake drinkers were immediately identifiable when people spotted a telltale shuffle in their walk cause by semi-paralysis in the legs. Many songs were recorded about that Jake walk. Here’s one from the Mississippi Sheiks, “Jake Leg Blues:
http://uncensoredhistoryoftheblues.purplebeech.com/2005/10/show-5-drinking-canned-heat-and-jake.html
― a certain derecho (brownie), Monday, 21 September 2020 14:19 (three years ago) link
He could be named Charley, and he could be named NedBut if he drank this jake, it will give him the limber leg
This is my new favorite couplet.
― peace, man, Monday, 21 September 2020 14:49 (three years ago) link
xps i think that, since edison cylinders were never ubiquitous like discs were, and since they were largely done by 1910, it's fair to assume the term "canned music" was probably always used by many people only as a metaphor, or perhaps might've even migrated from "in the can" — originally a film term that presumably referred to metal film canisters
― budo jeru, Monday, 21 September 2020 14:59 (three years ago) link
https://img.discogs.com/SrTMXhHVxMCP-D9n3n_MmgHS9m8=/fit-in/600x600/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-2118164-1266775785.jpeg.jpg
― pomenitul, Monday, 21 September 2020 15:02 (three years ago) link
"Flowers is also known for having composed the novelty hit "Grandad" for Clive Dunn in 1970.[1]...
Perhaps Flowers' most famous bass line is the one he created for Lou Reed's "Walk on the Wild Side" from the album Transformer (1972),[1] the only song by Reed to reach the Top 20 in the US."
― koogs, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 13:34 (three years ago) link
I didn't know he wrote "Grandad" either. In fact I don't even know what that is.
― ABBA O RLY? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 14:14 (three years ago) link
Read all about it here:http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2006/11/clive-dunn-grandad/?comment-page-all#comments
― No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 14:56 (three years ago) link
needs to be heard to appreciate the gulf between those two things.
B-side is called "I Play the Spoons"...
― koogs, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:59 (three years ago) link