Covidiots in music

I think that maybe ~having a self image as a rebel and anti-authority figure~ is an inclination. Mistrust of official sources, etc.

if they knew people who would ridicule/rip the piss out of them, or even calmly reason with them it might just make them dig in deeper.

Is wealth and age the main factor (for musicians)?

List seems pretty multi-generational to me, tho I don't think I've seen any new/relevant artists take this stance yet.

feel like there are a lot of people out there who are like this, it's just that musicians are asked their opinions more often, or have a wider audience when expressing them on twitter

I only skimmed it but Aphex's take seemed more nuanced that the usual shit (I think a member of his family actually died of covid?) It was more 'this is serious but we are also at risk of stumbling into even more of an authoritarian police state'.

OTOH Aphex has regularly been full of shit and I wouldn't be surprised if he turned out to be here as well.

Noel Gallagher is the amusing one because his every pronouncement these days reveals him to be less intelligent than his brother (whose approach has been basically 'ffs just wear a mask').

Aphex is a notorious wind up merchant and a massive stoner, which might be a factor.

RDJ's father died recently (apparently not from Covid) so he is probably in a weird place.

I think your description of his take is pretty (overly) charitable, compared with what was screengrabbed and posted on Reddit (after being removed) but this is what is still up on his Soundcloud:

https://off-guardian.org/2020/08/15/the-reaction-of-the-left-to-lockdown/

John Squire (as opposed to Brown) seems to also be pro-mask.

he passed the eleven-plus and attended a grammar school, so probably a bit brighter than the gang of chimpanzees he hung out with!

Yeah OK I only read an RA report on what Aphex posted, the original is pretty much what you'd expect and yeah I was definitely being charitable.

I’d run a mile in case he coughed on me ooooohhhhh

— Liam Gallagher (@liamgallagher) September 18, 2020

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOHn6KurHE0

He wears masks he’s a proper little hypercondreact prob got a fancy designer 1 he’s just trying to get in on the argument he’s prob bored I would be if I was him

— Liam Gallagher (@liamgallagher) September 18, 2020

proper little hypercondreact is the name of my dog

this is one of those stereotypes I hate reinforcing, but Autists, especially ones with Aspergers, like RDJ, in particular are very susceptible to it - that if you are constantly noticing weird shit that neurotypicals just *don't*, that it leaves you very susceptible to believing that you have access to special truths that neurotypicals don't or can't see.

All good stuff on RDJ. Sorry to pick this one bit out of a well reasoned post but it's amusing because my 'aspergers' means that when I get hold of rules like "2m distance" or "masks in shops" I can tend to be extremely diligent about them. Which in itself may look like authoritarianism fandom. But my acceptance of them is based on my own heuristics for determining truth and value, so at that point I don't feel it's acquiescence to a top-down dictum at all but rather personal responsibility.

No, my statement that you picked up on there was about Autists and our specific vulnerability to 'systematically comprehensive, completely logically consistent but warped worldviews' even when they're wrong or incomplete (e.g. things like incel ideology.) We are susceptible to those systems of thinking, precisely because we *do* tend to develop our own heuristics, rather than relying on social pressure and convention and all the other weird things neurotypicals seem to go by.

I wasn't saying 'autists love authoritarian fandom!' - I was saying more 'autists love to march to our own drumbeats' (but this does leave us susceptible to some really odd drums, and I think this is what's happened to RDJ, who used the word Asperger's to self-describe, hence why I used it.)

(Personally, as an Autist, the idea that I never have to go closer than 2m to another human being ever again is my idea of heaven!)

I totally got what you were saying there btw, which is why I apologized for taking a bit out of context.

I think a tendency or ability to embrace rules can be (generally very wrongly) equated with authoritarianism random.

I feel there's a responsibility to cultivate good heuristics but maybe that's not entirely fair as it depends tonquite a large extent on your environmental inputs.

I feel like Van takes the crown here by not just spouting off bullshit in interviews, but by actively recordings songs about his dumbassery.

tbh these songs will be hilarious and I'm looking forward to them

Hold my beer

Lyrics from the new Ian Brown single

“A sonic lockdown in your home town / A sonic lockdown, can you feel me now? / A sonic lockdown, state shakedown, a mass breakdown / Put your muzzle on, get back in your basket / Get behind your doors cos living here is drastic.”

Oh wait, already mentioned nvm

Holy fuck at that Ian Brown song.

Even ignoring the hilariously awful lyrics, it's atrocious on every level.

I'm afraid to ask, but -- what does "sonic" lockdown mean?

Sonic lockdown:

https://pm1.narvii.com/7472/532adba41481986b677ea945c96d32fb206ae64er1-512-278v2_uhq.jpg

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/bc2820ef08e27bb265b65640f17bd6c51d462486/0_0_3635_5589/master/3635.jpg?width=700&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=d36b4531528296afc93aac71835d8c28

ok uh who is RDJ? wasted 5 min already searching.

aphex twin

ah, ok. thanks!

Richard D James

the D now stands for dumbass

Just listened to that Ian Brown song and it's definitely "masonic lockdown" imo which is straight-up David Icke conspiracy nonsense. Fucking cretin.

Dr Evil, and his needle

I'm sorry but that is hilarious and I am having that.

Ian Brown was trotting out gay mafia-type conspiracy theories 20 years ago, he's got form for this sort of thing.

Sorry to bring politics into ILM

LOL

List seems pretty multi-generational to me, tho I don't think I've seen any new/relevant artists take this stance yet.

I do wonder why this is. Could it be that the RJDs, Noels, and Vans have far less to lose at this stage of their careers? Tough to imagine a younger, up and coming artist potentially committing career suicide by expressing these opinions (though maybe Kaityln Aurelia Smith fits the bill? I don't know, haven't seen the evidence she is a Covidiot))

my acceptance of them is based on my own heuristics for determining truth and value, so at that point I don't feel it's acquiescence to a top-down dictum at all but rather personal responsibility.

this is pretty much my position and the objectively sanest approach imo

Angel Olsen shared a link to Plandemic on her instagram stories

really?! she usually shares BLM stuff, seems properly well-read and researched about that and voting rights, LGBTQ stuff, women's rights and such.

Woof this Ian Brown song is really embarrassing, even without the lyrics

really?! she usually shares BLM stuff, seems properly well-read and researched about that and voting rights, LGBTQ stuff, women's rights and such.

It is one of the great fallacies of our time to expect people who have good political views to have good views in other domains (or for that matter to be good people in their personal lives)

angel olsen posting the plandemic video and then taking it down by saying she "got got on the gram playa" jesus christ

— dana danger (@womensrites) May 17, 2020

lmao

can someone under 40 translate that please

i'm under 40 and no i can't

My guess is that she's blaming Instagram's video player.

the new "I was hacked"

Her dog posted it.

Jesus built my instagram

can't believe i forgot Robbie

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/robbie-williams-pizzagate_uk_5ef4b086c5b643f5b230474d

Jello is finally wearing a mask now, but earlier...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wxe8Cg3VKu8

he could lose more teeth in street fights

always a thoughtful and nuanced take from jello