This outrage about the book is a troll by right wing media. All the reports lead back to the one article in the Telegraph, who love to provoke the left on identity politics. A very successful troll btw and great for business. Sure, double down on trusting the now retracted clickbait review from the bullshit pape. jk rowling is frequently posting her own words on twitter which could be discussed but so far on this thread have not been.
― everything, Friday, 18 September 2020 06:13 (three years ago) link
A schism exists between feminist theory, queer theory and trans theory. Eg. gender-based rights vs. sex-based rights when applied to female-only safe spaces like prisons, rape shelters etc; how and when trans people should compete in sex-segregated sports; age of consent for minors to transition; & a couple of other topics. There are similar nuances in the BLM conversation which are beyond stating if you are for or against. It's more complicated than that.Supporters of the Harpers article see that it's not a request by the signatories to not be flamed but that these conversations have become difficult to have in left-ish groups such as academia, the arts, non-profits, unions and so on. Meanwhile the right-wing look on & laugh.ILX leans left and it's unlikely that there could be a thread on gender theory here. Several posts are already saying that this is a stupid thread - a reaction to some posts getting close to difficult viewpoints being aired. It's worth thinking about.― everything, Saturday, July 11, 2020 11:34 PM (two months ago) bookmarkflaglink
Supporters of the Harpers article see that it's not a request by the signatories to not be flamed but that these conversations have become difficult to have in left-ish groups such as academia, the arts, non-profits, unions and so on. Meanwhile the right-wing look on & laugh.
ILX leans left and it's unlikely that there could be a thread on gender theory here. Several posts are already saying that this is a stupid thread - a reaction to some posts getting close to difficult viewpoints being aired. It's worth thinking about.
― everything, Saturday, July 11, 2020 11:34 PM (two months ago) bookmarkflaglink
― ℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Friday, 18 September 2020 06:15 (three years ago) link
Love the idea that nobody would have picked up on the transphobic content in this book if the telegraph hadn’t (even tho ppl have also discussed the guardian review, which is based on the content of the book and not just that telegraph piece, and drawn the same conclusions)(also a bullshit paper tbf)
― Gab B. Nebsit (wins), Friday, 18 September 2020 06:27 (three years ago) link
jk rowling is frequently posting her own words on twitter which could be discussed but so far on this thread have not been.
did you read any of the other posts in this thread before saying this or were you just hoping people wouldn't remember
― ℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Friday, 18 September 2020 06:28 (three years ago) link
Xpost Not a gripe - a comment. I don't think ilx is particularly "left" either but maybe i dont spend enoigh time here. I dont feel like I am defending Rowling by pointing out what I feel was a huge successful troll by a publication known for such things.
― everything, Friday, 18 September 2020 06:33 (three years ago) link
You should spend less time here tbf
― scampo italiano (gyac), Friday, 18 September 2020 07:13 (three years ago) link
You should engage with JKR's actual words tbf.
― everything, Friday, 18 September 2020 07:20 (three years ago) link
jk rowling has been a terf for years. she is also very friendly on twitter with "brian spanner" a unionist troll account that has tweeted at multiple female snp msps calling them cunts
― xmas respecter (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, December 24, 2019 6:40 AM (eight months ago)
don't want to link to wings over scotland but he details her literally @ing the brian spanner account 200 times.
― xmas respecter (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, December 24, 2019 6:42 AM (eight months ago)
to me it seems unlikely that an angry entitled millionaire soft Tory would be a terf
― a very powerful woman in the dog world (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, December 24, 2019 8:06 AM (eight months ago)
can’t wait for my wee girl to be old enough to want to read these and then spend years trying not to yell about how all harry does is defend his elite private school and the horrible racist status quo it supports from having to make any sort of change and then grows up to be a cop so he can do it some more
and also that rowling is a blairite terf
― hot nuts (small) (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, December 28, 2019 11:56 PM (eight months ago)
You know, I don't really think whoever wrote this bit was purposefully aiming at Rowling, but I think they hit her pretty well with it:
https://entertainment.theonion.com/frozen-2-creators-confirm-that-elsa-gay-but-also-tran-1839981134
― revenge of the jawn (rushomancy), Monday, December 30, 2019 1:19 AM (eight months ago)
― erratic wolf angular guitarist (sic), Friday, 18 September 2020 07:22 (three years ago) link
I certainly agree that tokenism is mockable.
― everything, Friday, 18 September 2020 07:35 (three years ago) link
The Telegraph is trash. Pink News is trash. That's where the story came from. None of us here have read the book. I remember JKR getting burned at the stake over Scottish Independence. I remember getting burned at the stake for Brexit. What's new?
― everything, Thursday, 17 September 2020 bookmarkflaglink
What's this burned at the stake for Brexit? You a Brexiteer?
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 18 September 2020 09:03 (three years ago) link
'crossdressing serial killer' is still a transphobic trope even if that character isn't really the focus of the novel
like, congrats to rowling on managing to write a book that isn't as hateful as her public comments (but still very much reflective of her worldview) or one of her previous galbraith books ('the silkworm', as mentioned earlier)
― ufo, Friday, 18 September 2020 10:24 (three years ago) link
lmao @ the idea the torygraph is "trolling the left" by pointing out transphobia in the works of a writer who agrees with the torygraph on Scottish independence, Corbyn, neoliberalism....
― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 18 September 2020 10:30 (three years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/20/making-a-demon-of-jk-rowling-is-a-wretched-sport-born-of-misogyny-and-resentment
Observer columnist says the JKR controversy is all about misogyny against JKR. Personally I am not convinced by that.
― the pinefox, Sunday, 20 September 2020 17:31 (three years ago) link
There’s a real vein of wealthy white terfs saint any criticism of them whatsoever is misogyny, and they’re not shy about using it against other women either. They’re also not shy about calling women who disagree with them handmaids, men, or just straight up predators ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
― scampo italiano (gyac), Sunday, 20 September 2020 17:34 (three years ago) link
My colleague Nick Cohen’s reading is supported by early reader reviews on Amazon
lmao oh reader reviews on amazon you say?????
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 20 September 2020 18:00 (three years ago) link
Citing Nick Cohen 😬😬😬😬
― scampo italiano (gyac), Sunday, 20 September 2020 18:00 (three years ago) link
I have to agree: if your two supporting sources are a dire fellow writer at the same paper and Amazon reviews -- that's as weak as it gets.
― the pinefox, Sunday, 20 September 2020 18:08 (three years ago) link
Hey Nick Cohen knows misogyny when he sees it in the first person
― how do i shot moon? (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 20 September 2020 18:11 (three years ago) link
The worst thing is that when The Observer dies all the worst ppl will just start writing for The Spectator or cow mag (the Jenny Turner -- in her latest for the LRB -- essay is quite good at covering these fault lines)
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 20 September 2020 18:13 (three years ago) link
Definitely misogyny yeah
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-graham-linehan-fell-foul-of-the-transgender-mob
― piscesx, Sunday, 20 September 2020 18:15 (three years ago) link
I love that use of "fell foul", just innocently skipping along, Tweeting transphobia 24/7, and suddenly this horrible mob who are just looking for a fight set about you
― how do i shot moon? (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 20 September 2020 18:17 (three years ago) link
GL of course no stranger to telling women who disagreed with him that they were misogynists
― scampo italiano (gyac), Sunday, 20 September 2020 18:22 (three years ago) link
I love the balls on these guys. 2M followers too.
Transphobic creator J.K. Rowling 'not involved' in new Harry Potter game. https://t.co/I9FaT64vRv pic.twitter.com/JsWG3A8iHJ— Kotaku (@Kotaku) September 17, 2020
As people used to say of Linehan 'What's the end game here?', has to be said i'm baffled. Whatever her intention is or was it's not working. Deliberate anti-marketing or something?
― piscesx, Sunday, 20 September 2020 18:29 (three years ago) link
One comment I would hazard on that, without knowing too much about any of it, is:
JKR is used to people agreeing with her, buying her books, worshipping her and supporting everything she says and does, treating her like a cultural queen (a bit like a multi-million-selling Marina Hyde in a sense) - so she never expected many people to challenge her.
― the pinefox, Sunday, 20 September 2020 18:40 (three years ago) link
I feel like this is what happened with Linehan, what started as being mocked or corrected for ignorance rapidly hardened into outright war because he couldn't handle being owned on the Internet
― how do i shot moon? (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 20 September 2020 18:44 (three years ago) link
Entitlement plus underlying previously unexamined bigotry
― how do i shot moon? (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 20 September 2020 18:45 (three years ago) link
does her end game have to be any deeper than affecting public/political attitudes towards transgender people? she's already a gazillionaire, now she's found her passion
― ℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Sunday, 20 September 2020 18:47 (three years ago) link
Tbh I am hesitant to point out the actual reason as both are extremely litigious
― scampo italiano (gyac), Sunday, 20 September 2020 18:47 (three years ago) link
As people used to say of Linehan 'What's the end game here?',
Linehan now does a daily newsletter pointing and screeching at trans people on twitter, since his main account for abusing them directly was banned, and mocking people who turn the replies off on any given tweet. (He charges 8 quid a month for the ability to post comments on the blog version of his newsletter.)
― erratic wolf angular guitarist (sic), Sunday, 20 September 2020 20:03 (three years ago) link
The worst thing is that when The Observer dies all the worst ppl will just start writing for The Spectator or cow mag (the Jenny Turner -- in her latest for the LRB -- essay is quite good at covering these fault lines)― xyzzzz__, Monday, 21 September 2020 4:13 AM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 21 September 2020 4:13 AM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
its already happening - hadley freeman, one of the guardian's many transphobe writers, wrote a piece in it the other day to complain about the oscars and then tell an anecdote where she explained to a friend how transphobic she is
I've become radicalised about gender, says Hadley Freemanhttps://t.co/09hOkimPxp— The Spectator (@spectator) September 19, 2020
― ufo, Monday, 21 September 2020 01:11 (three years ago) link
I don't think Rowling holding awful transphobic views and her receiving misogynistic abuse are in any way mutually exclusive.
― Zelda Zonk, Monday, 21 September 2020 01:39 (three years ago) link
it's problematic when it's used as a tool to shut down discussion that is specifically calling her out for being transphobic.
― LaRusso Auto (Neanderthal), Monday, 21 September 2020 01:46 (three years ago) link
Neither justifies the other, obviously. But women in the public space with controversial views - good or bad - always get pushback that is more virulent, more personalised and more sexualised than men do. I don't know why this situation would be any different.
― Zelda Zonk, Monday, 21 September 2020 01:54 (three years ago) link
it's a consistent tactic of Linehanian terfs to categorise any pro-trans speech as misogynistic.
― erratic wolf angular guitarist (sic), Monday, 21 September 2020 02:00 (three years ago) link
JKR receives the same kind of violent and sexualized abuse for being outspoken about Scottish independence and Brexit. Her sex is absolutely a reason for that.
― everything, Monday, 21 September 2020 02:18 (three years ago) link
I find it striking how suddenly people like Freeman appear to care deeply about edge cases in prison management and the finer points of eligibility in athletics competitions, having never evidenced any prior interest
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 21 September 2020 06:38 (three years ago) link
This is entirely fine and thankfully one of the most famous and beloved authors in the world has no influence
JK Rowling platforms anti-trans shop selling ‘lesbians don’t have penises’ and ‘f**k your pronouns’ merch https://t.co/PtgoTSQEGY— PinkNews (@PinkNews) September 23, 2020
― ciorapomenitul (gyac), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 13:22 (three years ago) link
i'm sure this has been said, but i do not understand having that level of wealth and caring about this issue in this manner
― global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 23 September 2020 14:17 (three years ago) link
damn, is this a conservative paper psy-op too
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 14:27 (three years ago) link
This is a good if weird read:
I don't know what the interviewer was expecting but Butler shutting down every poorly offered anti-trans dogwhistle here is something.https://t.co/hy9KFWqSRG— Ian Williams (@Brock_toon) September 22, 2020
https://www.newstatesman.com/international/2020/09/judith-butler-culture-wars-jk-rowling-and-living-anti-intellectual-times
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 15:26 (three years ago) link
my college hero
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 15:27 (three years ago) link
and she's just whipping ass in this interview
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 15:29 (three years ago) link
"I think we are living in anti-intellectual times, and that this is evident across the political spectrum. The quickness of social media allows for forms of vitriol that do not exactly support thoughtful debate. We need to cherish the longer forms."
I tend to agree.
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 23 September 2020 16:20 (three years ago) link
that was a great read, butler still as sharp as ever.
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 23 September 2020 16:31 (three years ago) link
wow, she just cuts through all the bullshit in those questions so perfectly, amazing
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 16:36 (three years ago) link
and she's just whipping ass in this interview― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 15:29 bookmarkflaglink
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 15:29 bookmarkflaglink
Just FYI, Judith Butler is nonbinary and uses they/them.
― Masonic Lockdown (Branwell with an N), Thursday, 24 September 2020 07:27 (three years ago) link
The footnote in the article mentions that Judith Butler goes by she or they.
― braised cod, Thursday, 24 September 2020 07:33 (three years ago) link
TROUBLED BLOOD is as good or better than the other Cormoran Strike/Robin Ellicott novels. J. K. Rowling is a wonderful storyteller and a gifted stylist. I'm loving this one.— Stephen King (@StephenKing) September 28, 2020
Read the room my guy.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 17:52 (three years ago) link
look, the man pumps out like fifty blurbs a day. He can't be expected to vet every single one
― Number None, Tuesday, 29 September 2020 18:01 (three years ago) link
lol it doesn’t matter, she already unfollowed him after he tweeted in support of trans women
― seumas milm (gyac), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 18:33 (three years ago) link