the shamen: c/d

i had the mix cd since it came out and keep listening to it regularly. it's great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myAcXS0qLEw

was kinda surprised at how decent moby remixes are, first two here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFDZl45hGQ0

hardfloor remix of eschaton is probably my favorite of the bunch (the instrumental one, vocals on the vocal one seem completely out of place)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWNRhdO9VG8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6xuEo485Vo

what other remixes are good? tempted to get this: https://www.discogs.com/Shamen-The-Complete-Shamen-CD-Singles-Box-Set/release/1770245

I've been a Shamen fan in the US since like '92 when I got En-Tact (US edition). I've still never heard UV. Saw it used on CD at the same place a few times ages ago but never picked it up. Kinda regret that.

big fave -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IazzpaUOkoY

Argh, that Beltram dub, the instrumentation is really great, but the bassline and the vocals are just slightly off synch and phasing in the wrong place and it's bugging the hell out of me. (Also, as much as people complain about Mr C - I really do find that I miss something when his raps aren't there? Like, the slight irritant is neccessary to the pleasure of the experience.)

Oh lord that remix box set ... my eyes are going all big with cupidity, but no, I will be strong. I need to resist box sets, I do not have the space for them.

UV really is for hardcore fans only, but I do love it. The lyrics are absurd, but you should already know that, from everything after Destination Eschaton. (I'm so glad I'm not in the office, so no one has to hear me wandering about, warbling "open up the Staaaaar-gate, let everybody enter!" because that song is so insanely catchy.) Some of their experiments into drum n bass don't entirely work, but it's still a fun album.

(I will carry on saying this until everyone listens to it and then they come back to me like o_0 Branwell what is all this shit about crystals and UFOs and me just clutching it screaming 'but I love them, ok!')

I've still never heard UV. Saw it used on CD at the same place a few times ages ago but never picked it up.

not heard UV, never seen it out in the wild so not been able to grab a copy.
yet.

::quiet voice::

it's on YouTube?

::scarpers away::

sorry - i don't do youtube stuff, can't stream to my sonos/stereo

I have ever noticed the flaws in that Beltram mix all these years. Cloth ears!

Hahah OMG the YouTube algorithm just turned up gold?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yHrsPW42-o

^^^it noticed I had listened to a lot of Shamen *and* a lot of Mary Chain recently, and suddenly suggested "do you want to hear some sullen, nasty, viciously funny, Pre-E Colin Angus tearing the Tories a new one?"

Yes, as it turns out, I do.

I vividly remember Jesus Loves Amerika (but i don't love either) from that era because it was on a c-90 tape I taped from the John Paeldo show - as was common practise back then when you couldn't afford music!

Yeah, it was on my Snub-TV 'Save' VHS tape

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsRm_4zTSUg&ab_channel=themosttogain

what is the secret of posting youtubes these days? fuck knows!

it would be easier to tell you what you did wrong if you told us what you did

just c+ped its URL as in formatting instructions

was it a time-continue url?

https://youtu.be/pqrGcz7nM7U

don't think so. I'm not even going to try posting a youtube vid on here again!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsRm_4zTSUg&ab_channel=themosttogain

oh fuck it!

just took the the 's' off http that time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqrGcz7nM7U

👍

btw it appears calz was attempting to post a url with a whole bunch of extra stuff on the end of it

there are plenty of reasons to read yr posts before clicking submit, folks

Calz, it was absolutely fine - you could click through to see the video just perfectly? (I have images switched off anyway, which changes all youtubes to links.)

It's weird how stark the split is between the two eras. Like, post-E Shamen is so much more appealing to my big shiny pop aesthetics - but comparing their 'crystals and UFOs' latter-period lyrics to Jesus Loves Amerika and Shitting On Britain, it is genuinely like it is two different bands. With each passing decade, Jesus Loves Amerika seems to get *more* relevant, politically - but it's bizarre there's only 10 years between "these are the men who put the Right in righteous" of Jesus Loves Amerika and "Mercury UFO, the messenger, from the Lord of Zion / Transcending space to seminate the crystal."

Like, he genuinely seemed like a much happier, calmer, more at peace with himself, less angry and depressed and more well-balanced person after the E, but ... is there something *necessary* about all that anger and rage and pain, to stimulate political awareness and calls to action? (Or was it more, that after a string of successful pop singles, he was a very wealthy man, and didn't *need* to care about politics? That is also a thing that happens.)

((The other funny thing is, 30 years ago, I struggled occasionally with understanding Scottish accents, but now, decades after returning to Britain, I can understand Colin - and even Will - perfectly, but really struggle to understand what on earth the American evangalists are saying in the video? The one at the start, the really fist-pumping bible-banging one, who seems to say 'wibble Tommy!' - what on earth is he *saying*?))

Calz, it was absolutely fine - you could click through to see the video just perfectly? (I have images switched off anyway, which changes all youtubes to links.)

(this was not the case if you have not switched images off btw)

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/the-shamen-at-tower-records-london-britain-1992-the-shamen-picture-id566776351?s=2048x2048

I remember someone saying the early Shamen were either influenced by, or were 'like' The Jam.

I really can't imagine that being true...

Did the person saying this have any experience of, or understanding of 60s / mod / psych music beyond The Jam, because that is... weird.

Well, I doubted it at the time to the point of not investigating. (Not that I wanted it if it had been true...)

OMG, I have found it... the missing link.

Like, the psychedelic indie of _Drop_ really doesn't make much sense as the starting point for what would become ~The Shamen~ of cheeky rave boshness - but that's because it's not the starting point? THIS is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSsD9qktgIc

The cheese! The europop dance element! The Factory Records funk! The fake New Order synth stabs and sequenced handclaps! But with the occasional big garage-rock guitar riff thrown in. Fa la-la laa la.

Also, the amazing Jesus and Mary Shamen hair. I am in particular awe of Colin's folicular glory here, though Keith makes a faintly hilarious Bobby Gillespie clone:

https://64.media.tumblr.com/e3f66a466acd078605e85c0adfdeac62/efa0211d90d7a2e4-a9/s1280x1920/09907f0e39f1f8c058d3aee1a69d7442eece4560.jpg

colin is back.

https://twitter.com/MoshipMusic

i didn't realise Michael Horowitz was still with us.

this sounds like he might have made it in 1991 and had been sitting on it ever since.

indeed.
not that i have any complaints.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdA94cu0818

"leeeeave your body behind" ah go on then twist my arm