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They were loads of copies all over London yesterday!

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 13:40 (seventeen years ago) link

and glasgow!

stet (stet), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 13:58 (seventeen years ago) link

:(

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 14:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Enough with the ridiculous James Wood theory, Jerry. You're almost being as ridiculous as TP. Wood knows crap when he sees it and White Teeth was pure crap.

Mike Lisk (b_buster), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 15:24 (seventeen years ago) link

I think you've got the wrong end of a whole tree of sticks there, Mike.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link

"almost as ridiculous as Thomas Pynchon" is a fine thing to live up to, in writing as in life

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Linking a 10 min discussion on Radio 3's Nightwaves, where some of the subjects in the novel are talked about. This includes some stuff on cricket!

(click on 'tuesday' and fast fwd to 35 mins and available for a week)

xyzzzz__ (jdesouza), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 23:34 (seventeen years ago) link

My favourite Pynchonpassage is GR's evensong "Gorgeous singing mingles with the warm smells of candle smoke and melting wax, of smothered farting, of hair tonic, of the burning oil itself, folding the other odours in a maternal way, more closely belonging to Earth, to deep strata, other times..." And I think by page 50 I've got my first hint of that:

"squints from needlework carried past the borderlands of sleep in clockless bad light, women in headscarves, crocheted fascinators, extravagantly flowered hats, no hats at all, women just looking to put their feet up after too many hours of lifting, fetching, walking the jobless avenues, bearing the insults of the day..."

I also enjoyed Frankie Ferdinand saying " 'st los Hund?".

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 23 November 2006 00:35 (seventeen years ago) link

"Fascinators"?

Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 23 November 2006 00:54 (seventeen years ago) link

100+ pages in and yeah around page 50 or so, right in the section where it creeps over to the first Webb stuff, the language hits that intimate pynchon register, warm and knowing and creepy and sympathetic all at once. the webb sequence built around flashbacks while setting up the bridge is excellent -- feels tres dos passos actually. he might be a good referrant for lots of the novel so far.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 23 November 2006 01:25 (seventeen years ago) link

three months pass...
Wood's review is in:

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20070305&s=wood030507

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 02:02 (seventeen years ago) link

The speed reading class paid off!

Casuistry, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 17:41 (seventeen years ago) link

can someone paste the full thing here?

jed_, Thursday, 15 March 2007 23:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Just tried, but there's a limit to how much text you can paste in nu ILx and I can't be arsed to do it in multiple chunks. Does this link work? http://www.tnr.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20070305&s=wood030507

Sad to report I pretty much agree with Wood. I used to think that Pynchon was my favourite living novelist, but now I have to conclude that I only really *really* like 'Gravity's Rainbow'.

Stevie T, Friday, 16 March 2007 14:02 (seventeen years ago) link

I pretty much agree with Wood as well, in fact as a very broad generalisation I tend to like much the same sort of novels as he does for much the same sort of reasons. Where I part company with him is in his messianic conviction that people who have different tastes from him (us) have somehow got it all wrong. Reading a book this long by Pynchon would be unbearable tedium for me, but if other people enjoy reading it, as this thread proves that they do, that's absolutely fine by me. (I do agree with Wood that Pynchon, among others, has been a malign influence on Zadie Smith; and that its a great pity because Smith is potentially an astonishing talent; but it's hardly Pynchon's fault that Smith is dazzled by him.)

frankiemachine, Friday, 16 March 2007 20:52 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.powells.com/review/2007_03_01.html

s.clover, Saturday, 17 March 2007 19:26 (seventeen years ago) link

well written but typical of the point-missing, i think, plus it seems to switch arguments midstream a few times too often.

s.clover, Sunday, 18 March 2007 06:59 (seventeen years ago) link

the "easy to like politically" thing seems like a jibe in the review at vagueness, then maybe a positive quality, then a jibe again, and what the lists have to do with the complaints v/v sketchy characters is beyond me, not to mention the ishe/isn'the pointless digression on imagination vs. research and then the ishe/isn'the on pomo which is beyond dull coz ok the early thesis about the two forms of novels is sort of fine -- the exterior and the interior except its also not because there are plenty of interior novels told thru exterior methods for example + the point about the latent classicism of pomo is both more ancient than he acknowledges plus more interesting than he concedes + anyway the big gripe is the utterly false "pynchon can't write characters" trope which really seems to stem from critics not bothering to pay attention to the careful arc that does structure all the central characters in the book, none of whom really are puppetlike in any fashion.

also the passages he lists are similar in that they involve lists of interesting things, and i suppose he's conceded that he doesn't see much point in dwelling on the actual contents of the lists, but for anyone who does (which i assume includes the p-man himself) then the lists actually seem awfully different. and the whole projecting a pomo that ain't on to the description of e.g., new orleans, is particularly dumb and seems just to be a projection of jw's fear of thick, rich, exterior description.

s.clover, Sunday, 18 March 2007 07:07 (seventeen years ago) link

i read "isheisn'the pomo" as the far more interesting w/r/t this book "is he or isn't he porno", and wondered how that one was beyond dull

thomp, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:00 (seventeen years ago) link

"frighteningness" is an interesting criterion for literary value i guess

"a sense of meaning being a little too conveniently pushed beyond the verifiable, or even coherent" is a decent criticism, at least. i dunno: for someone complaining about lack of meaning woods is trying awfully hard not to talk about meaning, not chasing out e.g. the cumulative light-metaphor stuff, or saying anything much about the old themes pynchon's apparently returning to. list of books one might read instead: since when is proust "narrated in the internal voices of several different characters", hah.

i am, still, vaguely unconvinced by "two forms of novels", which is like the channel four version of the history of the novel. it seems very odd that a grownup would take the sort of digestive minutiae of richardson for, you know, 'character'.

wouldn't a moby-dick without ahab and the whale = one without anything at stake = a book for children : SO HORRIBLY WRONG AND STUPID -

thomp, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:21 (seventeen years ago) link

i mean, the remaining three hundred and fifty pages of whaling trivia would make a fascinating kind of children's literature, in another dimension. which could be one of those nice avant-garde-in-content-if-not-form science fiction novels james wood has apparently heard of.

(what the hell does 'avant-garde in content' mean?)

thomp, Thursday, 22 March 2007 19:23 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_nXknRDZBs0E/SUaMDxbkY2I/AAAAAAAAChI/X-U3-R60Pz0/s400/pynchon.jpg

So... Vineland Redux?

Stevie T, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 11:26 (fifteen years ago) link

Publisher Penguin's catalog reveals details about the upcoming book by Thomas Pynchon. As previously reported, it will be a detective novel hitting shelves next summer; the news is the title, "Inherent Vice." And details about the plot:

It’s been awhile since Doc Sportello has seen his ex-girlfriend. Suddenly out of nowhere she shows up with a story about a plot to kidnap a billionaire land developer whom she just happens to be in love with. Easy for her to say. It’s the tail end of the psychedelic sixties in L.A., and Doc knows that “love” is another of those words going around at the moment, like “trip” or “groovy,” except that this one usually leads to trouble. Despite which he soon finds himself drawn into a bizarre tangle of motives and passions whose cast of characters includes surfers, hustlers, dopers and rockers, a murderous loan shark, a tenor sax player working undercover, an ex-con with a swastika tattoo and a fondness for Ethel Merman, and a mysterious entity known as the Golden Fang, which may only be a tax dodge set up by some dentists.

In this lively yarn, Thomas Pynchon, working in an unaccustomed genre, provides a classic illustration of the principle that if you can remember the sixties, you weren’t there . . . or . . . if you were there, then you . . . or, wait, is it . . .

Manchego Bay (G00blar), Tuesday, 16 December 2008 11:36 (fifteen years ago) link

man, i haven't even reread against the day yet

thomp, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 00:05 (fifteen years ago) link

honestly that description is not too promising.

J.D., Wednesday, 17 December 2008 20:29 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah it sounds terrible to me. and definitely reminiscent of vineland which i still am not keen on (maybe i need to re-read it?)

t_g, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 20:35 (fifteen years ago) link

Yep, Vineland much better the second time. I thoroughly enjoyed it the 2nd time, and didn't really like it at all the first time.

hugo, Monday, 29 December 2008 19:41 (fifteen years ago) link

vineland is grebt but the first chunk of it (before the explication of the DL & Takeshi plot, mebbe) is total autopynchon zappaishness, maybe kind of sours most first reads

thomp, Tuesday, 30 December 2008 13:43 (fifteen years ago) link

four months pass...

apparently, according to amazon uk, people who pre-order inherent vice are likely to at the same time buy the kindly ones by jonathan littell

thomp, Friday, 29 May 2009 19:45 (fourteen years ago) link

So the Kindley ones are buying The Kindly Ones?

Eazy, Friday, 29 May 2009 19:51 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...

Never had a clue this was coming out till BBC discussed it tonight. I see now the few posts here, but it has not generated any noise in my hearing till now.

They said 'unaccustomed territory for him'. Um, drug-addled paranoid psychedelic CA eccentrics with daft names in the late 1960s?

Despite which he soon finds himself drawn into a bizarre tangle of motives and passions whose cast of characters includes surfers, hustlers, dopers and rockers, a murderous loan shark, a tenor sax player working undercover, an ex-con with a swastika tattoo and a fondness for Ethel Merman, and a mysterious entity known as the Golden Fang, which may only be a tax dodge set up by some dentists.

I swear, that is practically the least unaccustomed sentence about Pynchon I can imagine.

the pinefox, Friday, 17 July 2009 23:51 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Haven't read Against The Day, or any Pynchon novel, but Dale Peck's review of AtD might lead me to:

http://dalepeck.com/exclusives/heresy-of-truth.html

gato busca pleitos (Eazy), Saturday, 31 July 2010 17:49 (thirteen years ago) link

it makes me want to unread it tbh

thomp, Saturday, 31 July 2010 18:12 (thirteen years ago) link

not sure what his point is by the end. he liked the book?

cutty, Monday, 2 August 2010 01:03 (thirteen years ago) link

I sorta never considering reading Vineland much but a back-to-back reading with Inherent Vice might be worth the time?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/jul/31/thomas-pynchon-vineland-rereading

xyzzzz__, Monday, 2 August 2010 10:01 (thirteen years ago) link

Can't really imagine how or why anyone could view Against The Day as his first "great" book. What flaws would one detect in Gravity's Rainbow or Mason & Dixon that are absent in Against The Day?

Matt DC, Monday, 2 August 2010 11:03 (thirteen years ago) link

there's an argument to be made that the earlier books sacrifice readability on the altar of dramatic entropy, whereas AtD is readable and never aims to fall apart

Eggs, Peaches, Hot Dogs, Lamb (remy bean), Monday, 2 August 2010 11:15 (thirteen years ago) link

remy did you read ATG?

cutty, Monday, 2 August 2010 11:35 (thirteen years ago) link

one month passes...

has anyone here reread 'against the day'? i'm curious what the experience is like because even though it would obviously be worth something—you just can't see every little thing in the right light in a book that big the first time through—i haven't quite felt yet like there's a burning need to reread it. it's like it was too lucid or something.

whereas i've never finished 'mason & dixon' but don't mind rereading the parts i have finished over and over again.

j., Saturday, 25 September 2010 03:01 (thirteen years ago) link

i'm about to start it

cutty, Sunday, 26 September 2010 01:31 (thirteen years ago) link

three months pass...

missed this bit of news late last year

http://www.filmjunk.com/2010/12/02/p-t-anderson-to-direct-inherent-vice-starring-robert-downey-jr/

andrew m., Thursday, 6 January 2011 20:18 (thirteen years ago) link

However, the book is available right now for those who just can't wait!

Aimless, Thursday, 6 January 2011 20:29 (thirteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

wow i'm a little over halfway through against the day and it's killing me how amazing the narrative has become. kit in the mayonnaise factory was a recent favorite.

cutty, Wednesday, 2 February 2011 17:59 (thirteen years ago) link

one month passes...

the part with merle rideout and the photographs coming to life... holy shit

cutty, Tuesday, 15 March 2011 16:15 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

you all saw there's a new pynchon right

kristof-profiting-from-a-childs-illiteracy.html (schlump), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 01:08 (eleven years ago) link

yah maybe he'll finally write a good one

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 01:15 (eleven years ago) link

I thought this would be about the signed books that hit the market last month:

Well, we have the distinct pleasure to offer four signed books by Pynchon in our April 11 Rare Books Auction #6085, all inscribed to a young man named Michael Urban, who was fighting lymphoma at the time Pynchon signed the books to him in 1986. Urban's mother, Carla, wrote to Pynchon asking him to sign some books, and Pynchon replied that "it would be an honor to help out." We know this because Pynchon's original Typed Letter Signed replying to Carla Urban accompanies the first edition of Gravity's Rainbow, a rare instance of provenance in modern books, and likely the only time a signed book and related letter of provenance of Pynchon's have been sold together.

In this case, the Pynchon TLS is a vital aspect of this book in that it informs a potential buyer that one, Pynchon indeed signed the book himself; and two, the letter tells us WHY Pynchon signed the book: he at one time had a friend with lymphoma, he understood what a struggle it was, and felt the need to help out a boy suffering the same fate.

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I could find only two auction records for a signed copy of Gravity's Rainbow, the Drapkin copy inscribed to Ken Taub, sold at Christie's in 2005 and a copy sold at Swann in 1999. Each of these copies hammered for over $13,000, each an outstanding result, and indicative of the true rarity to be expected of a copy of this title graced by the pen-hand of its author. But neither of these two copies came with an additional letter, much less one signed by Pynchon himself. And neither, as far as I know, was inscribed to a young man battling cancer.

I think this is the premier copy of Gravity's Rainbow in the world, at least the best one so far revealed to the collecting public, and the book will surely be hotly contested over when our live session commences on Wednesday in New York City. A large part of the desirability is its provenance, which proves it to be a unique copy, tells us why it was signed, and also reveals a level of humanity in Mr. Pynchon not often glimpsed by those who don't know him personally.

The other three books inscribed to Michael Urban are also highly-desirable for the Pynchon inscriptions in them. These include first editions of The Crying of Lot 49 and Slow Learner, and a first Perennial Fiction Library edition of V. For Pynchon fans and collectors, this is a rare treat, as has been living with these books for the last two months. May they all find new homes, and go screaming across the sky to other collections.
http://historical.ha.com/c/newsletter.zx?frame=no&id=3709#collector-e

The letter itself is on ebay here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/American-Novelist-Thomas-Pynchon-Typed-Letter-Signed-/170968902943

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 03:08 (eleven years ago) link

yah maybe he'll finally write a good one

― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 01:15 (8 hours ago)

have at ye! maybe ATD turns to shit in the second half, doubt it will though

imago, Tuesday, 8 January 2013 09:24 (eleven years ago) link

you all saw there's a new pynchon right

no?

well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Tuesday, 8 January 2013 12:27 (eleven years ago) link


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