What's the best David Bowie studio album

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will, Thursday, 19 April 2007 19:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Would it be possible for poll threads to reflect how many votes have been cast before they close?

Rock Hardy, Thursday, 19 April 2007 19:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Singing off-key on purpose often doesn't work, but it does in the case of David Bowie, as it also does in the case of Ray Davies, for instance.

Geir Hongro, Thursday, 19 April 2007 20:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Kind of surprising result, but the first 7 are all classics anyway.

Interesting to see how ILM favourite "Let's Dance" didn't get more votes than "Never Let Me Down", but I guess those people voted "Young Americans" instead...

Geir Hongro, Thursday, 19 April 2007 23:49 (seventeen years ago) link

I didn't expect that to win. Good t see Low and Station To Station do well. Wish Diamond Dogs and Heroes had done better.

I voted Diamond Dogs. That's always been my fave along with Low. But yeah Geir is right about them being classics.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 19 April 2007 23:59 (seventeen years ago) link

I think Diamond Dogs is the one most listened to, during the Bowie Obsessed Period of my life.

Drooone, Friday, 20 April 2007 00:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Bowie himself used to say Diamond Dogs and Lodger were his best albums.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 20 April 2007 00:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Really? He was fond of Diamond Dogs? That's nice to hear, I thought it was pretty universally reviled. Cracked Actor doc and drawing occult symbols on the carpet during the Dick Cavett show are his career highlights...

iago g., Friday, 20 April 2007 00:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Who voted for ...hours - I want that hour of my life back - hmmm funny - I haven't sold it back - I must be hoping for a change of heart.

BlackIronPrison, Friday, 20 April 2007 00:25 (seventeen years ago) link

It's reviled? A lot of people I know love Diamond Dogs. Here in the UK I mean.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 20 April 2007 00:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe it's stock has risen over the two decades, but here in US wasn't always looked at as humorless "persona" overreach, sort of Bowie's spinal tap moment? Don't get me wrong, I love it, the Sweet Thing song cycle on side one especially--great lyrics and one of the best, strangest guitar solos (Bowie playing I think) around

iago g., Friday, 20 April 2007 00:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe it's seen differently over here then. Possible. Classic album anyway. Love it.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 20 April 2007 00:36 (seventeen years ago) link

There are some good songs on hours.

Tim Ellison, Friday, 20 April 2007 00:36 (seventeen years ago) link

"...hours" has "thursday's Child", which is his best, um, MOR yet, and "Seven", which could have been on Hunky Dory, which I think is his most pleasently blah CD.

There's irony--intended?--that his supposed "This is just plain ol' Dave" CD sounds utterly contrived.

With some time passed, "Heathen" really stands up as a remarkably paranoid/neurotic/despairing record.

Still, my tops would be:

Diamond Dogs
Outside
Man Who Sold the World

i, grey, Friday, 20 April 2007 06:14 (seventeen years ago) link

yes Heathen is great, his best album in many many years. I think it got sullied a bit because he promoted Reality a lot more and it was a much worse record.

akm, Friday, 20 April 2007 06:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Hmmm. Three out of my top 5 in the top 3, not bad!

I think Bowie's so fond of DD because he put so much into it, it really is a solo album. He also did most if not all of the guitar parts and some of those are indeed mental - I love 'em, esp. on the afore mentioned Sweet Thing/Candidate suite.


Here's the result of the most recent poll (42,328 votes!) on davidbowie.com, taking in the albums released from '67 to '80. Very surprised to see Lodger ending so..low.

01 ~ The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust (1972) (9185) 21.70%
02 ~ Hunky Dory (1971) (5026) 11.87%
03 ~ Low (1977) (4371) 10.33%
04 ~ Scary Monsters (And Super Creeps) (1980) (3005) 7.10%
05 ~ "Heroes" (1977) (2927) 6.92%
06 ~ Space Oddity (1969) (2907) 6.87%
07 ~ Diamond Dogs (1974) (2773) 6.55%
08 ~ Station To Station (1976) (2591) 6.12%
09 ~ Aladdin Sane (1973) (2523) 5.96%
10 ~ The Man Who Sold The World (1971) (2307) 5.45%
11 ~ David Bowie (1967) (2140) 5.06%
12 ~ Young Americans (1975) (1375) 3.25%
13 ~ Lodger (1979) (874) 2.06%
14 ~ Pin Ups (1973) (324) 0.77%

willem, Friday, 20 April 2007 06:35 (seventeen years ago) link

i'd like to know who voted for "...hours" over "earthling." i mean, seriously.

Emily Bjurnhjam, Friday, 20 April 2007 06:51 (seventeen years ago) link

lol someone voted for tin machine. the drama dorks in hs used to rep for tin machine.

chaki, Friday, 20 April 2007 08:18 (seventeen years ago) link

i voted for low, but i would have liked to see more love for aladdin sane

Charlie Howard, Friday, 20 April 2007 11:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Very surprised to see Lodger ending so..low.

I would guess "Lodger" becomes underrated in this kind of polls because those who might have voted for it will usually go for "Heroes" or "Low" instead.

Geir Hongro, Friday, 20 April 2007 12:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Ziggy a measly fourth. Not surprising for ILM though.

Hurting 2, Friday, 20 April 2007 12:51 (seventeen years ago) link

HI DERE!

The Amazing Randy, Friday, 20 April 2007 13:09 (seventeen years ago) link

i voted for low, but i would have liked to see more love for aladdin sane

my thoughts (and vote) exactly

who will love Alladin Sane?

Chaucer Arafat, Friday, 20 April 2007 15:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Rather ashamed I missed this one I dare say. Now, I know this is going to be a rather unpopular opinion ;-). But I dare say my favourite Bowie LP is actually Earthling! Now, don't get me wrong, I like most of you fine people on this fine message board, can see the inherint wrong-ness in drum and bass, but there are in my opinion some of David's greatest melodies on this album. Jumping on the post-grunge industrial bandwagon with Outside didn't successfully rejuvenate David Bowie's credibility or sales, so he switched his allegiance to techno and jungle for the follow-up, Earthling. While jungle is a more appropriate fit than industrial, the resulting music is nearly as awkward. Though he often gets the sound of jungle right, the record frequently sounds as if the beats were simply grafted on top of pre-existing songs. Never are the songs broken open by a new form; they are fairly conventional Bowie songs with fancy production. Fortunately, Bowie sounds rejuvenated by this new form, and songs like "Little Wonder" and "Seven Years in Tibet" are far stronger than the bulk of Outside. Still, the record falls short of its goals, and it doesn't offer enough intrigue or innovations to make Earthling anything more than an admirable effort.

Ethan Gaymead, Friday, 20 April 2007 15:19 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm one of the 2 Lodger votes, and I'm glad that there's at least one other person out there who isn't MENTALIST!

J, Friday, 20 April 2007 17:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe Bowie is on ILM and voted for it.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 20 April 2007 17:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Very good "The Lodger" thread here:

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=41&threadid=6350

Featuring a robust defense from the redoubtable Mark S.

o. nate, Friday, 20 April 2007 18:03 (seventeen years ago) link

And the Alex In NYC "Diamond Dogs" tribute thread:

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=41&threadid=31055

o. nate, Friday, 20 April 2007 18:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Funny -- Hunky Dory always seems overly mannered and precious to me, not a patch on Ziggy or Man Who Sold the World...

Slothrop, Friday, 20 April 2007 18:41 (seventeen years ago) link

HD and STS have always been my faves, so I'm happy with the results. STS was my pick, though.

JN$OT, Friday, 20 April 2007 18:46 (seventeen years ago) link

"Earthling" is not at all bad, but voting for anything released after 1980 as Bowie's best moment suggests something terribly wrong with one's mental health. :)

Geir Hongro, Friday, 20 April 2007 19:17 (seventeen years ago) link

thirteen years pass...

I might actually think that Black Star is my favourite of his albums now.

Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Sunday, 31 May 2020 15:46 (three years ago) link

who the fuck voted for hours?

akm, Sunday, 31 May 2020 17:06 (three years ago) link

Came here expecting to see disparaging mention of "Hours". But who else is wondering if this maligned album is suddenly going to see some kind of critical reevaluation?

Melomane, Sunday, 31 May 2020 18:17 (three years ago) link

Needs a new poll to capture his final two albums

doug watson, Sunday, 31 May 2020 18:28 (three years ago) link

Also, akm OTM. Even with an emotional connection to hours IRL, I still think it's one of his worst.

doug watson, Sunday, 31 May 2020 18:31 (three years ago) link

I know it has its fans but after a listen last night I reckon Diamond Dogs needs a lot more love. It kind of gets overshadowed by Ziggy and Aladdin Sane from that period, but is easily better than both IMO. I mean I know it's a tough catalogue (in the sense of being full of crucial gems) but DD is a fucking fantastic album and feels very 2020 in many ways.

umsworth (emsworth), Sunday, 31 May 2020 20:17 (three years ago) link

i vote: the best of david bowie

plax (ico), Sunday, 31 May 2020 23:19 (three years ago) link

There's a lot to dislike about Diamond Dogs! Many songs are marred by annoying sax arrangements, I personally have no taste for "Sweet Thing/Candidate" (I do love the demo version of "Candidate" on the Ryko reissue, though), "Rebel Rebel" is not a bad single but it cribs too close to the Stones for me to ever have loved anything but the lyrics of the chorus, "Rock N Roll With Me" is bad, "We Are The Dead" is mostly awkward monologue, I like "1984" but it IS bad disco, and we're back on the annoying saxes again on "Big Brother". Prob my least favourite from that string of albums

flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 31 May 2020 23:27 (three years ago) link

For some reason I’ve never been able to make it through the first track of Diamond Dogs, let alone the whole album. Just felt like the house lights came on or something. aladdin sane is my favorite.

brimstead, Sunday, 31 May 2020 23:28 (three years ago) link

xp Hmmm well, a toss-up between DD and "Heroes" for my least-favourite "classic" album, I've never understood why it attained classic status (esp with the presence of Bowie's worst 70s original song, "..Arabia")

I love Aladdin Sane-- title track and "Drive-In Saturday" alone

flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 31 May 2020 23:29 (three years ago) link

If any Bowie album needs a reappraisal-- assuming we're all on the same page that "1. Outside" is classic-- it's "The Man Who Sold The World", that album is so crazy good

flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 31 May 2020 23:31 (three years ago) link

(esp with the presence of Bowie's worst 70s original song, "..Arabia")

Now you've gone too far.

Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Sunday, 31 May 2020 23:36 (three years ago) link

Anyway, how weird that "Hunky Dory" won this, I think Geir rigged the poll.

Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Sunday, 31 May 2020 23:41 (three years ago) link

Ha well clearly the time for the DD reappraisal is Not Yet - although I must say I do like the sax (and like even more Bowie's brutal guitar playing).

Totally agree that TMWSTW is another one that is overlooked/underrated - possibly partly because it didn't have a "marquee" song/single until the Nirvana cover? But when I was a teen I was completely besotted with that one, great songs, great band, amazing SOUND. It has that kind of entropic New Worlds SF darkness that I also associate with Hawkwind and VDGG.

umsworth (emsworth), Sunday, 31 May 2020 23:43 (three years ago) link

1. Outside is a near masterpiece imo

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 31 May 2020 23:43 (three years ago) link

Outside is so unreal, my favourite Bowie album (though Hunky Dory, Station To Station and Black Star are right up there). My only strike against it (aside from "Hallo Spaceboy" which doesn't do much for me, and yet I prefer it to any of the dud covers on the 70s albums) is a kind-of cheeseball quality in the synthesis of plot and lyric, which I find charming in the same way I find 80s Michael Mann movies charming, but not necessarily engrossing. The lyrics on "Oxford Town" and "Heart's Filthy Lesson" are, to me, sound like they've been typed up in the same font as the cover of Billy Idol's Cyberpunk.

The real winner on TMWSTW is the opening track, "A Width Of A Circle", Bowie never told a better long-form narrative imo, it's all the failures on Space Oddity corrected.

And I don't think it's weird at all that Hunky Dory won... it's wall-to-wall hits. I remember in the 90s, "Quicksand" won 2nd in a Bowie fansite poll for his best song, after "Ashes To Ashes". Even the lesser tracks ("Andy Warhol", "Song For Bob Dylan") are really solid! "Kooks" is prob my favourite "hey guys, we had a kid!" song in existence. Again, it's only the cover song that I would scuttle, aside from a few tracks on "Pin-Ups" I think Bowie's a bad interpreter across the board.

flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 1 June 2020 03:34 (three years ago) link

And ya that unfortunately includes "Wild Is The Wind", never liked it :(

flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 1 June 2020 03:35 (three years ago) link

idk "fill your heart" is really charming imo, and in any case it's not the "interpretation" that's to blame; have you ever tried to sit through biff rose's original ? it's not exactly pleasant.

i would've voted for "hunky dory" in 2007, as a high school kid, and still would today. it's always been my favorite. "wall-to-wall hits" otm

budo jeru, Monday, 1 June 2020 04:32 (three years ago) link

Hunky Dory is perhaps his most consistent album, and the one where he truly found his voice imo, but maybe a bit of a boring choice?

chap, Monday, 1 June 2020 09:34 (three years ago) link


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