Dinosaur Jr.: Brilliant or crap?

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whatever fuck ALL YALL THE TORPId furious sludge of their first albums = TEH POINT

jake b. (cerybut), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I love Bug!

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 21:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Jake, you're right, but the crackling on "Little Fury Things" gets in the way of the furious sludge!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 21:14 (nineteen years ago) link

hmmm ill have to listen to it for this cracklin now ... i actually havent listened to dino jr in years, but surprise surprise they were a 'coming of age band' etc etc. also i take back the 'fuck all yall'

jake b. (cerybut), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 22:09 (nineteen years ago) link

The second and third albums are definitely in my top 20 "throw it on and listen all the way through without even having to think about it" records of all time!!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 22:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Good for making good music. Crap for kicking out the future bassist for sebadoh. Although sebadoh wouldnt have existed so.... not crap.

Jeremy Snyder, Thursday, 23 December 2004 19:56 (nineteen years ago) link

So they're re-releasing the first 3 with a couple extra tracks. I'm most interested in hearing how J remasters "Little Fury Things" which has always sounded wrong on CD

It's odd how they took "Show Me the Way" off of You're Living All Over Me and put "Just Like Heaven" on in it's place. I thought "Heaven" was a post-Bug single.

I hope in the remastering they took out the 2 second space between "Kracked" and "Sludgefeast" that was on the CD version.

Vic Funk, Thursday, 23 December 2004 20:41 (nineteen years ago) link

That is very odd about "Just Like Heaven" - it is a post Bug single.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 23 December 2004 20:58 (nineteen years ago) link

JUST LIKE HEAVEN+FEEL THE PAIN=brilliance

hilel swartz, Friday, 24 December 2004 00:07 (nineteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
god would they just do these reissues and get it over and done with? i'm tired of waiting.

truly great band btw. one of my all-time favourites. many diss on post-'where you been' material but it's still great stuff, and i thought j's decisions to get kevin shields producing AND to get thalia zedek in on vox were inspired (esp. as thalia is about the only singer as croaky as ol' j.) can't worship dinosaur enough. (yeah yeah i know, mis-spent youth etc.)

for some reason 'bug' is my favourite though, probably because it's the one i've listened to the most, i've had my copy of that record for 15 years now (almost to the day - i distinctly remember buying it, it was one of my first record purchases w/my 'own money'...)

jon dale, Wednesday, 12 January 2005 12:05 (nineteen years ago) link

coming in march... they sound *fab*, and 'bulbs of passion' is nnow the opening track of Dinosaur, not 'Forget The Swan'.

interviewed Lou about these last night; he was not at all involved in the reissues.

stevie (stevie), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 12:16 (nineteen years ago) link

'bulbs of passion' is nnow the opening track of Dinosaur, not 'Forget The Swan'

What sort of crazy sense does that make? Repulsion would have been a better choice if they were going to fuck with the playing order. But I like Forget the Swan just fine where it is.

NickB (NickB), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 12:21 (nineteen years ago) link

it sort of works - but i'd never heard 'bulbs' before, so i guess i don't really believe the album begins until forget the swan kicks in...

stevie (stevie), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 12:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyone ever hear any Deep Wound? I'm guessing that they probably sounded pretty much like Bulbs does.

NickB (NickB), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 12:34 (nineteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
merge's press release + more about why there's not a lot of bonus material, etc:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Dinosaur Jr. Reissues on Merge!!

On March 22nd, 2005 Merge records will reissue the legendary Dinosaur Jr. CDs – Dinosaur, You’re Living All Over Me, and Bug.

(Chapel Hill, NC) It’s hard to believe, but it was 20 years ago when Dinosaur first roamed the back roads and byways of central Massachusetts. J Mascis, Lou Barlow and Murph formed their band in 1984 in the sleepy college town of Amherst, MA, and went on to change the face of rock forever…whether they actually ever intended to or not.

Long before the folks in Seattle were raiding thrift stores for flannel, Dinosaur Jr. laid the groundwork for a seismic shift in the underground rock scene. These first three albums, with their sonic wall of melodic bass, furious drums and stunning guitar wizardry, coupled with an almost laissez faire vocal delivery, became the sonic blueprint for what would become known as “alternative rock” over the next decade. Dinosaur Jr. single-handedly moved the indie scene from the rigid ideology and rapid fire bursts of hardcore and post-punk into a new era of introspective yet no less powerful expression. Instead of dismissing the influences of 60s and 70s rock, as had been the rallying cry of punk, Dinosaur Jr. embraced the heavy guitar riffs and melodic underpinnings of a bygone era, and created a full on sonic assault that took the world by surprise if not by storm. Some folks called it the perfect union of Sonic Youth and Neil Young, and when it’s all said and done that’s as good a reference point as any.

The influence that Dinosaur Jr. has had on their peers and future generations of musicians/bands is immeasurable. Now, 20 years since the release of their self-titled debut that left folks scratching their heads (yet at the same time hungry for more) Merge is honored to bring these three classic CDs back into print after years of scattered availability and $40+ pricetags on Ebay and Amazon.

Originally released on two of the most influential independent labels of the times – Homestead and SST – Dinosaur, You’re Living All Over Me and Bug will now be available to an entirely new generation of music fans. If there is any justice these recordings will be just as influential the second time around…

All three CDs have been remastered and will be reissued with original cover artwork but the new booklets will contain never-before seen images that are sure to electrify longtime fans. Bonus materials include a rare live track – “Does It Float” – which captures the power and sheer chaos of early Dinosaur shows, as well as videos for classic tracks “Little Fury Things”, “Just Like Heaven”, “Freak Scene” and a recently-discovered, never before seen video for “No Bones”. Also included are extensive new liner notes for all three albums compiled by music writer/gadfly Byron Coley featuring interviews/commentary from Thurston Moore, Mike Watt and Robert Pollard. Acclaimed filmmaker Allison Anders also contributed liner notes for Bug. But really, who needs extra bells and whistles? These albums contain so much raw power and melodic tension that they speak well enough for themselves, as seminal pieces of American rock and roll history.


Dinosaur:
Bulbs Of Passion
Forget The Swan
Cats In A Bowl
The Leper
Does It Float
Pointless
Repulsion
Gargoyle
Severed Lips
Mountain Man
Quest
Does It Float (Live) ***

You’re Living All Over Me:
Little Fury Things
Kracked
Sludgefeast
The Lung
Raisans
Tarpit
In A Jar
Lose
Poledo
Just Like Heaven
Little Fury Things (video) ***
Just Like Heaven (video ) ***


Bug:
Freak Scene
No Bones
They Always Come
Yeah We Know
Let It Ride
Pond Song
Budge
The Post
Don’t
Keep The Glove
Freak Scene (Video) ***
No Bones (Video) ***

*** = bonus material

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from mac:

we're proud to be reissuing these three records that, to us, were huge when they came out and are still hugely important today. i think they can be described, unlike most records that are casually given this title, as "classics". as such, having these albums in print and sounding great is in itself a reason for us to reissue these -- even if there were no bonus tracks of any kind.

the way these albums affected people when they were first released (when i'm sure most of us got them on LP) was without any of the covers or b-sides people are asking for them to contain now. For example, "Show Me the Way" was never on the album YLAOM, it was a bonus track the first time it appeared. Maybe that inclusion was against the band's will and they're rectifying that now? I don't know.

i love reissues that have tons of bonus stuff, and i understand not wanting to buy something more than once (it's bizarre how now albums that only came out 2 or 3 years ago are already being reissued), but i have to say: if you already own these and you are happy with the way they sound, there's no need to bitch and moan about it -- just don't buy them.

as a label we were up for any kind of reissue concept as long as it didn't impinge on the integrity of the original records. the final releases are the result of what the band wanted on them. i think there were two things going on with what the track listings ended up being: 1) a paucity of any kind of extra studio outtakes, etc. and 2) how happy / unhappy J/the band was with what did exist.

there is a live track as you can see, and excellent live Dino recordings exist, but i think both J and Merge thought that a great live collection was a separate project -- even gathering the material for these three albums has been a long process, and adding live albums to these releases would both raise the list price and would have meant that these records would have been out of print for at least another year.

extra things are great, the original classic albums are the best, and the remasters sound great (J attended). we knew not everyone would be pleased but then, when are they? and i take it back about bitching and moaning -- that's what msg boards are for...

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Saturday, 29 January 2005 16:01 (nineteen years ago) link

It's kinda funny that they'd take off "Show Me The Way" but add "Just Like Heaven." I love both covers. I may buy Bug.

miccio (miccio), Saturday, 29 January 2005 19:23 (nineteen years ago) link

the one and only time I've heard Deep Wound was when I saw them, last Spring, at a benefit gig in Northampton, MA. J. played, Sebadoh, the Sonic Youth folks...and then Deep Wound kicked our ass for one song exactly.

Lee also joined J. on a stellar "Little Fury Things."

Dapes, Saturday, 29 January 2005 19:51 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
PFM sez that the BBC is reporting a reunion. i found this but nothing else. anyone have the full scoop?

john'n'chicago, Monday, 28 February 2005 20:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Fuji Rock!

JoB (JoB), Monday, 28 February 2005 21:31 (nineteen years ago) link

# The Beach Boys

Brian's back!

# Juliette & the Licks featuring Juliette Lewis

ouch!

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 28 February 2005 22:15 (nineteen years ago) link

anything after Where You Been gets a big shrug. I only ever had Bug copied on a crappy cassette, so the reissue is v.exciting. I say CLASSIC!!

VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 00:47 (nineteen years ago) link

D Jr.'s management is apparently issuing info about the reunion as early as tomorrow

scott pl. (scott pl.), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 01:20 (nineteen years ago) link

four weeks pass...
Well, I'm going to see 'em at the Forum in June... and almost as excited about the past year's Slint and Pixies reunions in the same venue. Fuck, I'm old...

Mog, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 07:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Last night I listened to 'Master Dik' by Sonic Youth, on which I believe Mr J lays down some superb fretwork on his bad-ass axe. It is very bad, ruining an otherwise perfectly good CD of 'Sister'.

I like Dinosaur Jr, but I think perhaps they should remain a fond memory.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 11:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't like reunion things all that much, but I will say that the noise the original threesome made live is an *utter joy* for your ears to behold. Really, I saw the Lou line-up 3 or 4 times and they absolutely destroyed my sense of where I ended and this huge sweet fog of sound began, sort of like My Bloody Valentine were trying to do, but there's no way they could even touch that bass sound.

NickB (NickB), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 11:23 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
jaga jazzist

Dr. Gene Scott (shinybeast), Sunday, 24 April 2005 07:12 (nineteen years ago) link

shit I thought I was searching...anyway the new Jaga Jazzist is universe expanding.

And J. Mascis is still God.

Dr. Gene Scott (shinybeast), Sunday, 24 April 2005 07:14 (nineteen years ago) link

eight months pass...
you're living all over me is so good. i declare dino to be my band-of-the-week.

don't start a RYE-OTT! (plsmith), Friday, 13 January 2006 05:22 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Great band. Their new album, Beyond, slated for May 1st, has hit the web. Very impressive stuff.

Harpal (harpal), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 21:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Loobie??

Sir Echo (Sir Echo), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 21:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't believe that no one has mentioned this truly bizarre partnership.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 21:21 (seventeen years ago) link

what the fuck

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 21:25 (seventeen years ago) link

OMG DO WANT

69 (plsmith), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 21:27 (seventeen years ago) link

There were actually lines for these in front of my local hip shoe store. We asked the kids in line what they were waiting for and when they said Nike's new Dinosaur Jr's, my gf and I were laughing at the name and wondering if they played "Little Fury Things" or something when you stepped NOT actually realizing they WERE designed by J Mascis!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 21:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Oooh, those are some ugly bugly shoes! Worse even than Dinosaur jr. t-shirts I think. It's sort of neat how they match the colour of J's hair now, but still, if you want to wear those you clearly don't deserve to have feet.

NickB (NickB), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 23:54 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm pretty sure everyone in line in front of me was buying them just to resell them on the interweb at inflated prices haha.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 23:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Pretty good album. Kinda in a "Bug" vein.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 23:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Those shoes have just reminded me how I wrote Dinosaur on my crappy Nike trainers when I was at school. Goddamn loser.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 8 February 2007 00:02 (seventeen years ago) link

so wait - i thought lou and j hated each other? then they did a tour and now a record? did they hash it all out and let bygones be bygones or is this thing all for the $$?

this is pretty good on first listen.

tk (tk), Thursday, 8 February 2007 02:56 (seventeen years ago) link

i seem to recall a pretty amusing onion av club interview with the reformed dinosaur jr. around last year's lolapolooza where, when asked the "love or money" question, lou barlow was like "it's all about the music" and j coldly countered with "there's no way i'd be here if it weren't for the tremendous bank i'm making."

M. Biondi (M. Biondi), Thursday, 8 February 2007 03:09 (seventeen years ago) link

four months pass...

New album is fantastic. I'm seeing the guys in Texas tonight, with the Black Keys on a double bill - that's an excellent pairing, a great new band on tour with Dino Jr as the opening-band vets, and it'll introduce the guys to the Keys audience - perfect if you ask me.

stephen, Monday, 18 June 2007 20:21 (sixteen years ago) link

four months pass...

Been listening to some Dino Jr lately. Where You Been was one of the first albums I ever bought. I'm kind of sad (but not surprised) to see no mention of the excellent Hand It Over on this thread. I think it might be the most consistent and varied of the Dino major label records. The solos on "Alone" slay me.

Michael F Gill, Thursday, 8 November 2007 04:32 (sixteen years ago) link

I'll stump for Hand It Over, my 2nd favorite Dinosaur album after YLAOM, so good, so underrated, especially the middle stretch of the album from "Can't We Move This" to "Mick."

Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 8 November 2007 04:48 (sixteen years ago) link

i think i've posted my love for 'hand it over' on some other dino jr thread, but allow me to say it again - so good! my fave dino jr album. i have a sneaking suspicion that kevin shields played guitar on the track 'i'm insane', even though it wasn't credited. at the very least, it sounds like he engineered the guitar sound on that track.

6335, Thursday, 8 November 2007 05:24 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah, the liner notes only explicitly credit him with vocals on 2 other tracks but there's also the vague "some other stuff recorded at MBV studio with Kevin Shields" note, so who knows.

Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 8 November 2007 05:27 (sixteen years ago) link

i need to get this album. i'm insane is one of my fave djr tracks

electricsound, Thursday, 8 November 2007 05:31 (sixteen years ago) link

the piccolo trumpet line in that song is one of the greatest single things in their entire catalogue. stays in my head for days sometimes

6335, Thursday, 8 November 2007 05:38 (sixteen years ago) link

Dino Jr is sort of an excercise in pass/fail. But if you listen to him shread the cover of Maggott Brain(with Mike Watt) - he gets at least a nod towards classic. If it matters, Goin Home is a great example of what he can do when he's not tryong trying to tear the roof off.

christoff, Thursday, 8 November 2007 13:38 (sixteen years ago) link

Glad to see some HIO love! Too bad it got lost in the shuffle when it came out. I do think there is some Kevin Shields influence in the production even if KS didn't actually do anything.

Michael F Gill, Thursday, 8 November 2007 23:58 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...

you basically can't fuck w/"in a jar" imo

20 HOOS poppin steens on kawasakis (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Sunday, 22 March 2009 04:19 (fifteen years ago) link


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