recommend me some essential graphic novels to acquire

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(That's a small irk I guess, because it means that Los Bros' books wouldn't be graphic novels because they were pulled out of serialized versions...and they come together quite well in the end. And I guess that would mean that many traditional novelists wouldn't qualify either, since some pretty famous novels were actually serialized too. So like I said, minor quibble.)

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 7 October 2004 15:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm trying to think of actual graphic novels I have vs. trade paperbacks, and all I can come up with is Watchmen, From Hell, and Arkham Asylum, maybe a couple more.

Still, some arcs or mini-series are clearly meant to be of a piece, and just happen to be released in issues first (like the first Kabuki collection?). There's also the phenomenon of "writing for the trade", the same as filming for the dvd I guess.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 15:52 (nineteen years ago) link

I took an illustration class from some clown who said that we should aim for illustrating graphic novels, not comics. Wadda tool.

Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link

My favorites:

The Diary of a Teenage Girl - Phoebe Gloeckner
Epileptic - David B.
Summer Blonde - Adrian Tomine
I Never Liked You - Chester Brown

I understand the Blankets backlash but I think that there is something rich being uncovered throughout the story in the religious overtones. Like jaymc says, there's a lot that you don't catch visually the first time through that adds a very sophisticated counter-element to the plot. That said, I totally understand why someone would not want to read about sad teenage boy nostalgia.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:24 (nineteen years ago) link

As long as we can avoid whipping out nonsense terms like "graphically sequential narrative", I don't care if you do or do not distinguish between "collections" and "graphic novels" and "flip books" and "Highlights".

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:25 (nineteen years ago) link

gygax OTM...

I didn't like Tomine untill recently when I gave him another chance w/ Summer Blonde and loved it. A few weeks ago I was at a party of like 8 people, me and 3 others in the living room, then 4 people in the hallway who left after an hour. I was like hey who was that? And my friend was like, that was Adrian Tomine, and I was like WHY THE HELL DIDN'T YOU INTRODUCE ME!!!!

Phoebe Gloeckner's work is amazing.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Gah, I've been meaning to read that Chester Brown one for the past five years.

Tomine is great but I fear he is becoming predictable.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Herobear and the Kid -- Mike Kunkle -- is absorbingly fantastic.

Remy (x Jeremy), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Is Summer Blonde a collection of Optic Nerve??

kephm, Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, kephm.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:48 (nineteen years ago) link

That said, I totally understand why someone would not want to read about sad teenage boy nostalgia.

I don't!

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Is Summer Blonde a collection of Optic Nerve??

It's issues #5-8 of Optic Nerve (I think). But it's where he really hits his stride.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 7 October 2004 16:53 (nineteen years ago) link

The Kindly Ones was my favourite Sandman, it just has more of a story than most of the others and the artwork is excellent.

I thought the original Aliens V Predator story was a good book too, the one set in the futuristic farming ranch, again delicous artwork.

Arkham Asylum was okay with some great character designs but I felt it weakened towards the end.

Ste (Fuzzy), Friday, 8 October 2004 07:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Summer Blonde = definitely classic.

caitlin (caitlin), Friday, 8 October 2004 10:48 (nineteen years ago) link

"The Authority" is a great series - from some Glasgow artist, the guy who runs my local comic shop recommended it.

___ (___), Friday, 8 October 2004 11:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought the original Aliens V Predator story was a good book too, the one set in the futuristic farming ranch, again delicous artwork.

Is that the one where the Japanese woman joins the Predator tribe? If so, god, I read that as a kid and I've been looking for it for ages. It's got to be out of print.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 8 October 2004 11:34 (nineteen years ago) link

The Kindly Ones has the most consistently good art of any Sandman collection, but the storyline's just too meandering and disjointed. I generally preffered the short stories to the big arcs in Sandman.

Wooden (Wooden), Friday, 8 October 2004 12:21 (nineteen years ago) link

SACCO

ambrose (ambrose), Friday, 8 October 2004 12:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd second the reccommendation of 'R Crumb draws the blues'

And one more Alan Moore not mentioned so far: Skizz

Joe Kay (feethurt), Friday, 8 October 2004 13:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Hardly essential, in fairness.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 8 October 2004 13:15 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd go for Halo Jones or DR and Quinch over Skizz any day.

Wooden (Wooden), Friday, 8 October 2004 13:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Has Halo Jones ever been given a decent reprint?

(maybe you couldn't make it look more better)

gaz (gaz), Friday, 8 October 2004 13:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually on the Madman tip: Oni only has the first two volumes, Dark Horse put out at least 4 other (completely) different ones. Sequentially, Oni should be read first, then the DH trades. And no, none of them are really reasonably priced, unfortunately. (~$20 a pop)

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Friday, 8 October 2004 13:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh and "Jimbo in Purgatory" is fucking bananas man.

Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Friday, 8 October 2004 14:17 (nineteen years ago) link

In a good way? I've seen a lot of Jimbo before, and it's pretty much the nadir of comics as far as I'm concerned.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 8 October 2004 14:30 (nineteen years ago) link

no-one has recommended Miracleman yet which might be just as well since it's OOP; the first and second collections are amazing, it got worse after that though and by the time Gaiman took over it was phhhttt. But if you ever see the first two, they're definitely worth a read.

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 8 October 2004 14:38 (nineteen years ago) link

oh andrew! Gary Panter is a genius, his comics are punk incarnate.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 8 October 2004 16:17 (nineteen years ago) link

No way. Punk = pop, these are not pop. More like Alex Empire's "give instruments to some kids who've never played anything before, and record the results"

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 8 October 2004 20:40 (nineteen years ago) link

We won't bother convincing you then. Your equations and examples are, well... I don't use the "t" word.
Anyway, "Purgatory" is a structural triumph, a work of (real) magic. Don't bother with it if you don't like dense mandalas of allusion.

Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Friday, 8 October 2004 20:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Nobody's mentioned Love And Rockets. Gilbert Hernandez.

Or American Splendor by Harvey Pekar. Drawn by Crumb.

Sacco is brilliant.

Stew S (stew s), Friday, 8 October 2004 20:53 (nineteen years ago) link

if you think Panter can't draw....man, go look at Jimbo's Adventures in Paradise, the first Jimbo collection from the early 80s. He digested all forms of art, processed them, spit them up in a fury. He's been called "arguably the most influential graphic artist of the 80s", everything he does is skewed take on POP. Pop culture, pop art, low culture, low art. This is the guy who designed Pee-wee's Playhouse, how pop can you be?

Love and Rockets received numerous props upthread. I've been reading it since issue 18.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 8 October 2004 20:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Oops missed that one. But it's good innit?

Stew S (stew s), Friday, 8 October 2004 20:59 (nineteen years ago) link

I live, eat, breathe, sleep and love the work of Gilbert Hernandez, who's losing me a bit with the various threads of the Luba in America/Venus stories, but thing everything up and including New Love is beyond brilliant, especially the weird sci-fi/underground/jim woodring-esque stuff he did at the end of L+R and in New Love.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 8 October 2004 21:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I've just read the stuff that was in the McSweeney's comics issue. So where should I go from there?

Stewart Smith (stew s), Friday, 8 October 2004 21:04 (nineteen years ago) link

you mean Gilbert or Panter?

Gilbert Hernandez is a nightmare, he's been working on a soap opera of a story involving the same characters since 1982/83. I'd say, just go out and buy the Palomar book, then the Poison River collection, which is not contained in the book frustratingly, because it contains essential flashback/back-story about Luba. Read that last.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1560975393/qid=1097273528/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/103-9932494-7466215?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1560971517/qid=1097273558/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/103-9932494-7466215?v=glance&s=books

Hey! my amazon review is up there!

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 8 October 2004 21:10 (nineteen years ago) link

thanks for the recs, Dan.

Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Friday, 8 October 2004 21:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm more than williing to believe that Gary Panter can draw, but doesn't. I think it was the first issue of Jimbo from Bongo imprint Zongo that I read, and it was just without merit. It didn't have anything I recognise from your descriptions.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Saturday, 9 October 2004 18:52 (nineteen years ago) link

if I could, I'd scan pages out of Jimbo's Adventures in Paradise for you. The small (read: normal-sized) comic series wasn't nearly as interesting as some of his larger work.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Saturday, 9 October 2004 18:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Has anyone read Charles Burns' "Black Hole"? Would anyone recommend it? I love his illustration style and have seen a couple of his pieces in museums, but haven't actually tried to hunt down and read this series...

robots in love (robotsinlove), Saturday, 9 October 2004 19:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm a big Panter fan - I think he's a brilliant cartoonist. Also Mark Marek's Hercules Among The North Americans and Mark Beyer's Agony, while we're in that kind of territory.

Burns's art is beautiful, but his stories don't amount to all that much, for me. I've not read Black Hole.

GNs/albums/TPBs I've been spending money on lately: various Bendis things (I'm enjoying the Daredevil ones especially) and Phoenix (my single highest GN recommendation) and Astro Boy by Osamu Tezuka.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 10 October 2004 09:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Black Hole has advanced very, very slowly. If it's collected it may well be worth reading, but it's been difficult as individual issues.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Sunday, 10 October 2004 12:11 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't believe I forgot to mention Keiji Nakazawa's Barefoot Gen which is the story of a 6-year-old boy's survival of the nuclear holocaust in Hiroshima, written in 1972.

gygax! (gygax!), Sunday, 10 October 2004 14:12 (nineteen years ago) link

The sequence of the bomb's immediate aftermath in Barefoot Gen...that's something that almost makes me physically ill, it's that powerful and unsettling.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 10 October 2004 14:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I have the first 5 or 6 issues of Black Hole, did it get any further??

Oh well, for the record, my favourite comics (available in handy book format - I was gonna get all pedantic about the TPB/GN thing):

* It's A Good Life If You Don't Weaken - Seth
* Like A Velvet Glove Cast In Iron - Clowes
* The Poor Bastard - Joe Matt
* Uncanny X-men - Dark Phoenix Saga
* Quit Your Job - James Kochalka
* American Elf - James Kochalka
* Dark Knight Returns - Miller, Janson, Varley
* Lum: Uruseia Yatsura Perfect Collection - Rumiko Takahashi
* Summer of Love - Debbie Drechsler
* Star Wars: Dark Empire - Veitch, Kennedy
* The 3 X-Statix books collected so far.

jel -- (jel), Sunday, 10 October 2004 14:30 (nineteen years ago) link

If you want to read something that's furthest away from adolescent comics fantasies, you should check out Hugo Pratt's "Corto Maltese", which is a story about an shipless sailor and his voyages around the world in the 1910's and 1920's. Corto Maltese is probably the best non-kids' comic ever, it's both poetic and historically accurate. "The Ballad of the Salt Sea", "Fable of Venice" or "Corto Maltese in Africa" are good books to start form.

If you want to read good, non-twee, non-artsy comics about relationships and everyday human intreaction, I'd suggest you grab anything by Claire Bretécher or Ralf König. The latter writes about gay men in Germany, but his themes are mostly universal.

Howard Cruse's "Stuck Rubber Baby" is one of the best American graphic novels of the recent years, it links the civil right struggles of black people in the early sixties to gay issues. Cruse's characterisation is deep and emphatic, and the whole book has sort of a "this really happened" feel, partly because it's based on his own experiences.

For a wonderful blend of cynical humour and women's issues, you should check out Roberta McGregory's "Naughty Bits/Bitchy Bitch". Another great comic dealing with feminist issues as well as everyday lesbian life is Alison Bechdel's "Dykes To Watch Out For.".

Will Eisner has also published several wonderful, deeply humanist graphic novels, most of which take place in the depression-era New York of thirties. My particular favourite is "Life Force".

Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 10 October 2004 14:52 (nineteen years ago) link

For a wonderful blend of cynical humour and women's issues, you should check out Roberta McGregory's "Naughty Bits/Bitchy Bitch". Another great comic dealing with feminist issues as well as everyday lesbian life is Alison Bechdel's "Dykes To Watch Out For.".

Both really great, I agree.

"So what's for dinner?"

"Szechuan vegetarian PULP!"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 10 October 2004 14:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't believe this thread had gone for this long without anyone mentioning Corto Maltese. If there's one essential non-superhero comic, that's it.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 10 October 2004 15:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Ned, why don't write to ILC? That forum needs people who want to talk about Dykes To Watch Out For or Naughty Bits instead of X-Men.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 10 October 2004 15:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Because I don't read comics all that much, to be honest.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 10 October 2004 15:08 (nineteen years ago) link


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