Ya gotta love the man.
― Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 00:57 (sixteen years ago) link
is Cinemafantastique still around?
― latebloomer, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 08:51 (sixteen years ago) link
i met lynch once, really sweet guy, he was very patient with my drunken fanboy friend
― gershy, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 08:54 (sixteen years ago) link
you always talk in the sec person about yrslf? ;-)
― nathalie, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 10:36 (sixteen years ago) link
He came into my office at my last job. Evidently, he's "really into cows" at the moment.
― Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 13:16 (sixteen years ago) link
still never seen this movie, because it is not part of the Friday the 13th series
― J0hn D., Wednesday, 5 December 2007 15:37 (sixteen years ago) link
fair enough.
― Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 16:14 (sixteen years ago) link
It will be when Freddy vs. Betty comes out
― Hurting 2, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 16:21 (sixteen years ago) link
that youtube clip is great
― Mark Clemente, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 16:23 (sixteen years ago) link
I guess all the girl-girl kissy scenes are completely removed from bowdlerized broadcast cuts?
I still can't look/think about that homeless Trent Reznor guy without a ton of anxiety.
― Leee, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 17:09 (sixteen years ago) link
likewise. As one reviewer said, it gets in your head and STAYS THERE. Although now I'll never look at Trent Reznor the same way again.
― Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 21:08 (sixteen years ago) link
I had a DVD of the original TV pilot version - it was ok, didn't have the atmosphere of the movie at all. Maybe would have worked for Twin Peaks fans, though.
― milo z, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 21:11 (sixteen years ago) link
this movie is way overrated, i was so disappointed when i finally saw it. "blue velvet" is light-years better.
― J.D., Wednesday, 5 December 2007 21:24 (sixteen years ago) link
no
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 21:37 (sixteen years ago) link
? Blue Velvet is way clumsier
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 21:53 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.indiewire.com/biz/lynchcow1.jpg
― The Yellow Kid, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 22:01 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.davidlynch.de/lynchcow2.jpg
― The Yellow Kid, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 22:02 (sixteen years ago) link
Blue Velvet is not light years better. Why is it light years better?
― W4LTER, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 22:02 (sixteen years ago) link
adheres to conventional thriller narrative structure...? (just guessing)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 22:05 (sixteen years ago) link
i mean "blue velvet" is driven by a strong story and has countless indelible moments and still leaves me feeling like i've witnessed something astonishing and complex. MD just leaves me feeling like i've seen a long string of marginally related scenes that don't add up to anything. what exactly do you guys get out of it?
― J.D., Wednesday, 5 December 2007 22:24 (sixteen years ago) link
well, the lights go down, and you go into this WORLD...
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 22:27 (sixteen years ago) link
More multi-plot TV pilots should be given "it was all a dream" endings and released in theatres!
― da croupier, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 22:29 (sixteen years ago) link
could any other director get away with that kind of ending? Rob Reiner didn't.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 22:31 (sixteen years ago) link
MD just leaves me feeling like i've seen a long string of marginally related scenes that don't add up to anything.
Huh? Really? It seems pretty straightforward, honestly.
― rogermexico., Wednesday, 5 December 2007 22:33 (sixteen years ago) link
Blue Velvet has never struck me as particularly complex - its a "coming of age"-type story about a young guy discovering the dark underbelly of America, etc. It has a clear beginning, middle, and end; a villain; a classic "femme fatale", etc. "Mulholland Drive" is so much more dense and intricate - involving the mutability of identity, the Hollywood "dream" (of making it big, of being in a movie, of being someone you're not); its about creative control, obsession, and denial; the nature of recorded media... so many things in there.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 22:36 (sixteen years ago) link
Including thirty minutes of "and you were there, and you were there, and you were there..."
― da croupier, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 22:40 (sixteen years ago) link
Other pilot producers must be SO fucking jealous of this movie.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 22:41 (sixteen years ago) link
Lynch has always had a thing for the Wizard of Oz
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 22:44 (sixteen years ago) link
Hmm...Do you have theories about Gravity's Rainbow?
― Bob Six, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 22:49 (sixteen years ago) link
gravity's rainbow is about transcendence
― akm, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 22:55 (sixteen years ago) link
You seem far more convinced about the 'dream' ending than anyone I know, Anthony.
― milo z, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 22:57 (sixteen years ago) link
It's admittedly not as fun as the other theories, even though it makes perfect sense and there's nothing in the film that really contradicts it. You might wonder why her dream has subplots, but that's because Lynch didn't bother to change anything about the pilot to fit the ending he was paid to tack onto it.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 23:17 (sixteen years ago) link
It's all Octopus Grigori's fantasy of human life.
― rogermexico., Wednesday, 5 December 2007 23:19 (sixteen years ago) link
Ending is more Return To Oz than Wizard Of Oz, though.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 23:22 (sixteen years ago) link
The dream theory is otm. But it doesn't just end with "it was all a dream lol!" The harsh reality gives the dream a lot of weight.
― chaki, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 23:25 (sixteen years ago) link
i dunno the tiny tourists were pretty lol in my row
― da croupier, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 23:26 (sixteen years ago) link
tourists = her parents irl
― latebloomer, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 23:27 (sixteen years ago) link
monster/homeless guy = her high school gym teacher
cowboy walking across the restaurant = god
― da croupier, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 23:28 (sixteen years ago) link
This was a better abstract look at the agony of being Naomi Watts than <i>Ring: Two</i>, I'll admit.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 23:29 (sixteen years ago) link
billy ray cyrus = toto
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 23:30 (sixteen years ago) link
that look at her breasteses sure wasn't abstract!
― latebloomer, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 23:31 (sixteen years ago) link
the titty scene was amazing, I've never claimed otherwise
― da croupier, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 23:31 (sixteen years ago) link
i think we can all agree on that one
― chaki, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 23:34 (sixteen years ago) link
David Lynch initially resisted Studio Canal's offer to provide additional funds to complete the TV pilot as a feature film. Lynch's battles with ABC network executives had left him with a negative feeling about the project and the director felt he had run out of ideas for the storyline. When Lynch finally agreed to revisit the film, much to his horror he found that all the sets had been destroyed, and all of the costumes and props had been released by ABC (normally all sets, props and costumes for a possible TV series are carefully cataloged and stored for future use). Lynch claims this setback actually proved a blessing in disguise, however, when it finally generated new ideas about how to proceed with filming, and the director was able to come up with a satisfying conclusion to the story.
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The theatrical version contains 26 minutes of newly shot and restored footage; the TV version of Mullholand Drive, shot in 1999, originally ran at just over 100 minutes and ended at Betty's apartment after helping Rita cut her hair and put a blond wig on; an additional deleted scene had Betty running out of the apartment to the roof where Rita joined her and both of them looking out over Los Angeles where Betty says "I have arrived" and Rita saying the same. The final shot in the TV pilot version has the mysterious bum sitting in the alley behind Winkie's Restaurant and holding the mysterious blue box. New footage shot for the theatrical version includes:
* The theatrical ending where David Lynch goes back and tells the story of Diane; in the TV pilot, it ends where Rita (Camilla) opens the mysterious blue box. * An additional 6 minutes of expanded 'reshoots' that Studio Canal had David Lynch shoot for the theatrical release.
I always wondered if the tittays were part of said 6 minutes.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 23:39 (sixteen years ago) link
I recall Lynch, on news of the film version, enthusing to one of the female principles "AND THERE'S GOING TO BE NUDITY!"
― sexyDancer, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 23:42 (sixteen years ago) link
http://a255.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/28/l_f066b305ab7e9bcfc5a60af58edee766.jpg
BOO!
― Alex in NYC, Monday, 10 December 2007 02:30 (sixteen years ago) link
D:
― W4LTER, Monday, 10 December 2007 08:06 (sixteen years ago) link
the audtion scene is perhaps one of the greatest pieces of cinema evah.
Tim Finney otm 7 years ago. Stunning. Should have won an Oscar on its own, maybe.
This movie broke my brain. Although a couple of ILX posts have subsequently made most of it make some sort of sense. Most.
Can a mod amend the title so as it's spelt correctly?
Botched killing, audition scene, theatre scene, and a few others = stone classic
― Electric Universe (wherever that is) (acoleuthic), Monday, 4 January 2010 19:26 (fourteen years ago) link
loved the stupid director in that audition scene btw. 'humanistic'! just as you'd imagine a stupid director to be.
― Electric Universe (wherever that is) (acoleuthic), Monday, 4 January 2010 19:28 (fourteen years ago) link