Covidiots in music

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He was always a low level 9/11 truther but this was still a kick in the nuts

https://www.coronavirusworldnews.com/coronavirus-uk-the-thes-matt-johnson-spreads-bill-gates-covid-19-conspiracy-theory/

piscesx, Thursday, 17 September 2020 23:20 (eight months ago) link

All weed-heads aren't they? Not judging just saying.

piscesx, Thursday, 17 September 2020 23:22 (eight months ago) link

It's not easy to think outside of the hotbox.

hey, trust the fungus! (pomenitul), Thursday, 17 September 2020 23:24 (eight months ago) link

xxxp RDJ also posted a bunch of covid truther links to his soundcloud when he uploaded that batch of tracks (I assumed that he uploaded them mainly to draw eyes to the links). Think he later removed the links.

Scam Likely (morrisp), Thursday, 17 September 2020 23:25 (eight months ago) link

what did Julian Cope do?

this tweet suggests he's being responsible but it's old

Due to the coronavirus pandemic, Julian Cope has – with great sadness – felt obliged to cancel the remaining five dates of his Winter 2020 tour. pic.twitter.com/o4q6EWumdn

— Julian Cope (@JulianHCope) March 16, 2020

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 17 September 2020 23:38 (eight months ago) link

Cope hasn't done anything. A poster decided to post his name as a 'joke'

Oor Neechy, Thursday, 17 September 2020 23:51 (eight months ago) link

To no great surprise, Ted Nugent

\\\\\\\\0||||0//////// (Matt #2), Friday, 18 September 2020 00:00 (eight months ago) link

"covidiots"? ay ay ay

DT, Friday, 18 September 2020 00:54 (eight months ago) link

Nobody's mentioned Van Morrison yet?

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/music/van-morrison-fight-the-covid-19-pseudoscience-and-speak-up-1.4338343

mirostones, Friday, 18 September 2020 00:58 (eight months ago) link

Chuck D was posting conspiracy-flavored stuff a few months back; don’t know what his current line is.

Scam Likely (morrisp), Friday, 18 September 2020 01:17 (eight months ago) link

Wiley

hey, trust the fungus! (pomenitul), Friday, 18 September 2020 01:19 (eight months ago) link

Yes Ivan, let’s bring back all those audiences that you clearly relish playing for any other time

Master of Treacle, Friday, 18 September 2020 01:33 (eight months ago) link

Van Morrison has always had a few screws loose, unfortunately

beamish13, Friday, 18 September 2020 01:41 (eight months ago) link

Timely:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/entertainment-arts-54194498"> https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/entertainment-arts-54194498

Sir Van Morrison has accused the government of "taking our freedom" in three new songs that protest against the coronavirus lockdown.

In the lyrics, he claims scientists are "making up crooked facts" to justify measures that "enslave" the population.

"The new normal, is not normal," he sings. "We were born to be free".

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 18 September 2020 02:45 (eight months ago) link

Boomers gonna boomer

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Friday, 18 September 2020 03:21 (eight months ago) link

got nothing to do with being a boomer

Scam Likely (morrisp), Friday, 18 September 2020 03:31 (eight months ago) link

yeah, almost all of these people are Generation X, not boomers

The list has a lot of people who have been known to be kind of gullible fools for some time, or people who generally have a reputation for ~not being very bright~ (Gallagher and Brown in particular) - but I've been struggling with my inner fanboy over the RDJ thing for some time, since he resurfaced around the time of Syro and started up with various truther discourse - so the covid stuff is not a surprise, but it's still v v depressing.

There are people where it kinda goes with their schtick, but with RDJ, I really wanna grab him by the shoulders and go "you are actually *smarter* than this?" He's bright, he's sciencey, he was educated, in that he got halfway to a degree in electrical engineering, this man is not a fool?

But I guess that's sometimes the thing with conspiracy thinking, that conspiracies can *be* especially flattering to people who have experienced being brighter than most people around them, (not hard in the music industry!) and this is one of those stereotypes I hate reinforcing, but Autists, especially ones with Aspergers, like RDJ, in particular are very susceptible to it - that if you are constantly noticing weird shit that neurotypicals just *don't*, that it leaves you very susceptible to believing that you have access to special truths that neurotypicals don't or can't see.

And for a conspiracy brainloop to really take hold, it's like it has to piggyback on something you already care a LOT about. (Like how anti-trans ideology can canibalise both feminist activism AND virulently anti-feminist activism, because these are issues that people care about very deeply!)

RDJ has always had a very serious anti-authoritarian streak. And this idea that 'Britain is a police state' - the thing is, there are many ways in which Britain already *is* very like a police state. All the jokes about 'rainy fascism island' are getting at something - the abuse of Stop and Search, the suppression of protest, the absolute impunity of the police to murder citizens with no repercussions, the wholesale deportation of the Windrush generation, etc. etc. etc. - but his established anti-authoritarian special interest doesn't seem to fixate on those genuine abuses. It leaps sideways onto something tangential which affects him (he can't leave his house) and instead of landing on something with a basis in fact (the Tory government is absolutely mishandling the epidemic) it leaps into 'being quarantined = oh noes here is the police state'.

Sorry to bring politics into ILM, if this was intended to just be a list thread. 'Why do people get caught up in weird conspiracy theories' is one of my long-term special interests, for obvious reasons.

Grebo Jones (Branwell with an N), Friday, 18 September 2020 08:08 (eight months ago) link

you'd think maybe the group of absolute foolish poltroons (who most of you'd cross a road to avoid) who make up th C-19 truther gang might make RJD pause for thought somewhat? I find it unforgivable that ppl who are otherwise silent about genuine human rights abuses committed by the British state are jumping on the Icke bandwagon ffs!

calzino, Friday, 18 September 2020 08:25 (eight months ago) link

Wiley's rep is so done in now he could become the official PIE spokesperson and it wouldn't be newsworthy!

calzino, Friday, 18 September 2020 08:52 (eight months ago) link

Van Morrison already was affiliated with PIE as evidenced in his passive pedophilia song, Cypress Avenue!

calzino, Friday, 18 September 2020 09:57 (eight months ago) link

maybe one for the PaedIdiots in Music thread where lots of legends of the delta blues who otherwise are treated with upmost reverence get brutally cancelled!

calzino, Friday, 18 September 2020 10:00 (eight months ago) link

Is wealth and age the main factor (for musicians)?

xyzzzz__, Friday, 18 September 2020 10:07 (eight months ago) link

I think maybe isolation from people who would expose them to better ideas if a factor? There's definitely a bubble factor going on.

I don't know! It's speculation.

Grebo Jones (Branwell with an N), Friday, 18 September 2020 10:08 (eight months ago) link

I think that maybe ~having a self image as a rebel and anti-authority figure~ is an inclination. Mistrust of official sources, etc.

Grebo Jones (Branwell with an N), Friday, 18 September 2020 10:09 (eight months ago) link

if they knew people who would ridicule/rip the piss out of them, or even calmly reason with them it might just make them dig in deeper.

calzino, Friday, 18 September 2020 10:13 (eight months ago) link

Is wealth and age the main factor (for musicians)?

List seems pretty multi-generational to me, tho I don't think I've seen any new/relevant artists take this stance yet.

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 18 September 2020 10:21 (eight months ago) link

feel like there are a lot of people out there who are like this, it's just that musicians are asked their opinions more often, or have a wider audience when expressing them on twitter

好 now 烧烤 (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 18 September 2020 10:23 (eight months ago) link

I only skimmed it but Aphex's take seemed more nuanced that the usual shit (I think a member of his family actually died of covid?) It was more 'this is serious but we are also at risk of stumbling into even more of an authoritarian police state'.

OTOH Aphex has regularly been full of shit and I wouldn't be surprised if he turned out to be here as well.

Noel Gallagher is the amusing one because his every pronouncement these days reveals him to be less intelligent than his brother (whose approach has been basically 'ffs just wear a mask').

Matt DC, Friday, 18 September 2020 10:25 (eight months ago) link

Aphex is a notorious wind up merchant and a massive stoner, which might be a factor.

stirmonster, Friday, 18 September 2020 10:29 (eight months ago) link

RDJ's father died recently (apparently not from Covid) so he is probably in a weird place.

I think your description of his take is pretty (overly) charitable, compared with what was screengrabbed and posted on Reddit (after being removed) but this is what is still up on his Soundcloud:

https://off-guardian.org/2020/08/15/the-reaction-of-the-left-to-lockdown/

Grebo Jones (Branwell with an N), Friday, 18 September 2020 10:33 (eight months ago) link

John Squire (as opposed to Brown) seems to also be pro-mask.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 18 September 2020 10:38 (eight months ago) link

he passed the eleven-plus and attended a grammar school, so probably a bit brighter than the gang of chimpanzees he hung out with!

calzino, Friday, 18 September 2020 10:55 (eight months ago) link

Yeah OK I only read an RA report on what Aphex posted, the original is pretty much what you'd expect and yeah I was definitely being charitable.

Matt DC, Friday, 18 September 2020 11:01 (eight months ago) link

I’d run a mile in case he coughed on me ooooohhhhh

— Liam Gallagher (@liamgallagher) September 18, 2020

xyzzzz__, Friday, 18 September 2020 11:19 (eight months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOHn6KurHE0

PaulTMA, Friday, 18 September 2020 11:25 (eight months ago) link

He wears masks he’s a proper little hypercondreact prob got a fancy designer 1 he’s just trying to get in on the argument he’s prob bored I would be if I was him

— Liam Gallagher (@liamgallagher) September 18, 2020

Matt DC, Friday, 18 September 2020 11:25 (eight months ago) link

proper little hypercondreact is the name of my dog

Monte Scampino (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 18 September 2020 11:36 (eight months ago) link

this is one of those stereotypes I hate reinforcing, but Autists, especially ones with Aspergers, like RDJ, in particular are very susceptible to it - that if you are constantly noticing weird shit that neurotypicals just *don't*, that it leaves you very susceptible to believing that you have access to special truths that neurotypicals don't or can't see.

All good stuff on RDJ. Sorry to pick this one bit out of a well reasoned post but it's amusing because my 'aspergers' means that when I get hold of rules like "2m distance" or "masks in shops" I can tend to be extremely diligent about them. Which in itself may look like authoritarianism fandom. But my acceptance of them is based on my own heuristics for determining truth and value, so at that point I don't feel it's acquiescence to a top-down dictum at all but rather personal responsibility.

Kieron Arse (Noel Emits), Friday, 18 September 2020 13:05 (eight months ago) link

No, my statement that you picked up on there was about Autists and our specific vulnerability to 'systematically comprehensive, completely logically consistent but warped worldviews' even when they're wrong or incomplete (e.g. things like incel ideology.) We are susceptible to those systems of thinking, precisely because we *do* tend to develop our own heuristics, rather than relying on social pressure and convention and all the other weird things neurotypicals seem to go by.

I wasn't saying 'autists love authoritarian fandom!' - I was saying more 'autists love to march to our own drumbeats' (but this does leave us susceptible to some really odd drums, and I think this is what's happened to RDJ, who used the word Asperger's to self-describe, hence why I used it.)

(Personally, as an Autist, the idea that I never have to go closer than 2m to another human being ever again is my idea of heaven!)

Grebo Jones (Branwell with an N), Friday, 18 September 2020 13:18 (eight months ago) link

I totally got what you were saying there btw, which is why I apologized for taking a bit out of context.

I think a tendency or ability to embrace rules can be (generally very wrongly) equated with authoritarianism random.

I feel there's a responsibility to cultivate good heuristics but maybe that's not entirely fair as it depends tonquite a large extent on your environmental inputs.

Kieron Arse (Noel Emits), Friday, 18 September 2020 13:38 (eight months ago) link

I feel like Van takes the crown here by not just spouting off bullshit in interviews, but by actively recordings songs about his dumbassery.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 18 September 2020 13:55 (eight months ago) link

tbh these songs will be hilarious and I'm looking forward to them

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 18 September 2020 14:41 (eight months ago) link

Hold my beer

Lyrics from the new Ian Brown single

“A sonic lockdown in your home town / A sonic lockdown, can you feel me now? / A sonic lockdown, state shakedown, a mass breakdown / Put your muzzle on, get back in your basket / Get behind your doors cos living here is drastic.”

Saxophone Of Futility (Michael B), Friday, 18 September 2020 14:44 (eight months ago) link

Oh wait, already mentioned nvm

Saxophone Of Futility (Michael B), Friday, 18 September 2020 14:44 (eight months ago) link

Holy fuck at that Ian Brown song.

Even ignoring the hilariously awful lyrics, it's atrocious on every level.

groovypanda, Friday, 18 September 2020 21:24 (eight months ago) link

I'm afraid to ask, but -- what does "sonic" lockdown mean?

Scam Likely (morrisp), Friday, 18 September 2020 21:37 (eight months ago) link

ok uh who is RDJ? wasted 5 min already searching.

DT, Friday, 18 September 2020 23:23 (eight months ago) link

(xp) And the shitty opinions on AIDS?

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Monday, 14 June 2021 14:27 (yesterday) link

The AIDS ones are even worse, yes. Believe me. I'm not defending Parker on anything, just struck by the idea that the "punishment" folks are proposing for him is the same applied to say, R Kelly or Varg or whoever. I mean, as pointed out multiple times above, it's up to everyone to draw their own line re: supporting an artist and I get it, just interesting to note.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 14 June 2021 14:29 (yesterday) link

there's definitely an element of "wanting to believe" re: COVID, because the reality seemed initially so terrible to everybody that people wanted to believe a "aw shucks, you got us - we were just foolin'. Society reopened!" around the corner. over time, most of these idiots have probably come to subconsciously realize they're wrong, but in today's thin-skinned "double down" society, nobody will ever admit that.

and then there are just some people who have backwards ideas about medicine to begin with. "those doctors don't know nothing".

aka Jill Stein voters.

cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Monday, 14 June 2021 14:31 (yesterday) link

just struck by the idea that the "punishment" folks are proposing for him is the same applied to say, R Kelly

Uhm don't know about anyone else but I think R Kelly deserves far worse punishment than just people not buying his records.

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 14 June 2021 14:37 (yesterday) link

I do too! Without a doubt.

I'm talking about the "punishment" that the average music fan can make, i.e. not buying albums or paying to see them in concert.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 14 June 2021 14:40 (yesterday) link

Once again, the dumbest shit on ilxor where people argue points I'm not even making. So sick of this bullshit tbr and I can't believe I waste time around this garbage.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 14 June 2021 14:41 (yesterday) link

people are going to draw different lines in the sand for different artists as to where their support begins and ends.

and invariably, people like wins will show up to police said lines in the sand because that's what he does.

seems pretty cyclical to me.

cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Monday, 14 June 2021 14:42 (yesterday) link

xpost

cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Monday, 14 June 2021 14:43 (yesterday) link

Yeah, there's not that many options we have when it comes to that, so a lot of different levels of bad get the same reaction.

xposts uh sorry I guess?

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 14 June 2021 14:43 (yesterday) link

but "not buying their stuff" is a pretty mild thing to do in the end so I think it's fine to be trigger happy w/ it.

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 14 June 2021 14:44 (yesterday) link

the main reason I'm not interested in policing said behavior is because the average person has massive contradictions on the line they draw for when to support someone, I'm not interested in telling someone they're 'overreacting', I'm not interested in saying "you're a bad person for buying this record". just another component of the social media-driven "purity testing" that we seem to do with everybody.

I won't buy albums from Nazis, racists or other people of KNOWN questionable behavior. that's always been my view since people tried to foist Graveland on me when I was first getting into metal.

cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Monday, 14 June 2021 14:47 (yesterday) link

This may not be the thread to discuss it, but what is the “motivation” behind AIDS denialism? I’ve never grasped that at any level. Is it basically rooted in homophobia, a desire to see HIV go untreated, etc.?

like a d4mn sociopath! (morrisp), Monday, 14 June 2021 14:55 (yesterday) link

many of them think that AIDS is not caused by HIV, and usually it's because they want to blame the behavior of the sexually deviant or drug users, or the medicine themselves. some of them are alternative medicine kooks that believe all medicine is toxic and evil.

Nate Mendel of Foo Fighters is one of those fine AIDS denialist assholes

cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Monday, 14 June 2021 14:58 (yesterday) link

that plague raves article was awful and pretty much ruined my evening after reading it the other night. that said, "plague rave" would be a pretty cool album title/band name/genre descriptor.

beard papa, Monday, 14 June 2021 17:33 (yesterday) link

that said, "plague rave" would be a pretty cool album title/band name/genre descriptor.

Probably Dominick Fernow's next thing.

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 14 June 2021 17:34 (yesterday) link

In that Clapton video he says he lost the use of his hand for a time after the vaccination and frankly that seems like a win to me.

Sam Weller, Monday, 14 June 2021 17:59 (yesterday) link

Eric “No Hand” Clapton

ten man poland chasing this means hamsik feasts (breastcrawl), Monday, 14 June 2021 18:03 (yesterday) link

Nate Mendel of Foo Fighters is one of those fine AIDS denialist assholes

tbf it has been over 21 years since he said anything publicly about AIDS (and over 12 years since his one example of HIV not leading to AIDS died of *checks notes* AIDS), it’s possible that he stopped thinking it privately too.

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, 14 June 2021 18:05 (yesterday) link

I feel like when you're in one of the most notorious rock groups in the world, and you organize a fundraiser for a destructive group like Maggiore's, and link to them on your website until 2008, you probably owe it to yourself to loudly walk back your earlier support rather than just going quiet and hoping nobody remembers. especially when you may have lead fans to this "AIDS denialism" rabbit hole.

it's not exactly like Peart fellating Ayn Rand in his early 20s.

cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Monday, 14 June 2021 18:14 (yesterday) link

There was an open letter recently: https://48hills.org/2021/05/opinion-aids-denialism-in-the-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame/

I'd have to imagine that he's been made aware of it; y'know?

vcrash, Monday, 14 June 2021 18:21 (yesterday) link

you probably owe it to yourself to loudly walk back your earlier support rather than just going quiet and hoping nobody remembers.

this, 100%

stirmonster, Monday, 14 June 2021 18:29 (yesterday) link

It's definitely preferable!

But there's also a lot to be said for a famous person to realise "oh my god I am a gigantic dumbass, I will stop making public statements about anything other than bass guitar," and doing so. And he might have thought that bringing it up again at any point after the three months he was involved in denialism would only amplify the dangerous misinformation. (Or he might still think it, 21 years later, who knows.)

link to them on your website until 2008,

again tbf: it looks like the "causes" page was created c. January 2001, updated c. October 2002 (the Nader link may have added in between, but the blurb/link about their album being carbon-neutral pins that one down), and as far as the evidence shows, deleted altogether in February 2003 when somebody in the Foos office noticed, or they were doing a routine revamp of the site. This does not look like a site the band were heavily involved with day-to-day.

Good on them for keeping ranked-choice voting advocacy on the list in the apparently-new 2007-08 version, though, and updating the carbon netural link to an active organisation. Sucks if the one member did keep just asking questions about AIDS after March 2000, and it's absolutely terrible that he promoted Just Asking Questions from Jan-March 2000, but there's no clear evidence that he did anything after that.

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, 14 June 2021 19:15 (yesterday) link

I'm gonna keep boycotting them just to be safe tho.

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, 14 June 2021 19:19 (yesterday) link


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