Covidiots in music

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Julian Cope? Really? That one makes me sad

Brown and Gallagher have always been fucking chavs, although the former has written some great songs at least

beamish13, Thursday, 17 September 2020 23:03 (nine months ago) link

Vanilla Ice

beamish13, Thursday, 17 September 2020 23:03 (nine months ago) link

M.I.A. is just the worst. She practically wanted a parade for getting an MBE, which seemed to nullify everything she once appeared to stand for

beamish13, Thursday, 17 September 2020 23:04 (nine months ago) link

Tech N9ne

Neanderthal, Thursday, 17 September 2020 23:04 (nine months ago) link

Kaitlyn Arelia Smith is anti-vaxx, so she should possibly go here, too

beamish13, Thursday, 17 September 2020 23:05 (nine months ago) link

I’m just gonna say Kid Rock

frogbs, Thursday, 17 September 2020 23:07 (nine months ago) link

Tom MacDonald

hey, trust the fungus! (pomenitul), Thursday, 17 September 2020 23:08 (nine months ago) link

Mike Stock

piscesx, Thursday, 17 September 2020 23:15 (nine months ago) link

Tbf there are different tiers of covidiocy. Each is characterized by a particular fixation: face masks, vaccines, 5G, microchips, etc.

― hey, trust the fungus! (pomenitul),

Aphex Twin said we were a police state. I think that puts him ahead of noel gallagher refusing to wear a mask. It puts him in the ian brown category,

https://www.residentadvisor.net/news/72357

Oor Neechy, Thursday, 17 September 2020 23:18 (nine months ago) link

He was always a low level 9/11 truther but this was still a kick in the nuts

https://www.coronavirusworldnews.com/coronavirus-uk-the-thes-matt-johnson-spreads-bill-gates-covid-19-conspiracy-theory/

piscesx, Thursday, 17 September 2020 23:20 (nine months ago) link

All weed-heads aren't they? Not judging just saying.

piscesx, Thursday, 17 September 2020 23:22 (nine months ago) link

It's not easy to think outside of the hotbox.

hey, trust the fungus! (pomenitul), Thursday, 17 September 2020 23:24 (nine months ago) link

xxxp RDJ also posted a bunch of covid truther links to his soundcloud when he uploaded that batch of tracks (I assumed that he uploaded them mainly to draw eyes to the links). Think he later removed the links.

Scam Likely (morrisp), Thursday, 17 September 2020 23:25 (nine months ago) link

what did Julian Cope do?

this tweet suggests he's being responsible but it's old

Due to the coronavirus pandemic, Julian Cope has – with great sadness – felt obliged to cancel the remaining five dates of his Winter 2020 tour. pic.twitter.com/o4q6EWumdn

— Julian Cope (@JulianHCope) March 16, 2020

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 17 September 2020 23:38 (nine months ago) link

Cope hasn't done anything. A poster decided to post his name as a 'joke'

Oor Neechy, Thursday, 17 September 2020 23:51 (nine months ago) link

To no great surprise, Ted Nugent

\\\\\\\\0||||0//////// (Matt #2), Friday, 18 September 2020 00:00 (nine months ago) link

"covidiots"? ay ay ay

DT, Friday, 18 September 2020 00:54 (nine months ago) link

Nobody's mentioned Van Morrison yet?

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/music/van-morrison-fight-the-covid-19-pseudoscience-and-speak-up-1.4338343

mirostones, Friday, 18 September 2020 00:58 (nine months ago) link

Chuck D was posting conspiracy-flavored stuff a few months back; don’t know what his current line is.

Scam Likely (morrisp), Friday, 18 September 2020 01:17 (nine months ago) link

Wiley

hey, trust the fungus! (pomenitul), Friday, 18 September 2020 01:19 (nine months ago) link

Yes Ivan, let’s bring back all those audiences that you clearly relish playing for any other time

Master of Treacle, Friday, 18 September 2020 01:33 (nine months ago) link

Van Morrison has always had a few screws loose, unfortunately

beamish13, Friday, 18 September 2020 01:41 (nine months ago) link

Timely:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/entertainment-arts-54194498"> https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/entertainment-arts-54194498

Sir Van Morrison has accused the government of "taking our freedom" in three new songs that protest against the coronavirus lockdown.

In the lyrics, he claims scientists are "making up crooked facts" to justify measures that "enslave" the population.

"The new normal, is not normal," he sings. "We were born to be free".

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 18 September 2020 02:45 (nine months ago) link

Boomers gonna boomer

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Friday, 18 September 2020 03:21 (nine months ago) link

got nothing to do with being a boomer

Scam Likely (morrisp), Friday, 18 September 2020 03:31 (nine months ago) link

yeah, almost all of these people are Generation X, not boomers

The list has a lot of people who have been known to be kind of gullible fools for some time, or people who generally have a reputation for ~not being very bright~ (Gallagher and Brown in particular) - but I've been struggling with my inner fanboy over the RDJ thing for some time, since he resurfaced around the time of Syro and started up with various truther discourse - so the covid stuff is not a surprise, but it's still v v depressing.

There are people where it kinda goes with their schtick, but with RDJ, I really wanna grab him by the shoulders and go "you are actually *smarter* than this?" He's bright, he's sciencey, he was educated, in that he got halfway to a degree in electrical engineering, this man is not a fool?

But I guess that's sometimes the thing with conspiracy thinking, that conspiracies can *be* especially flattering to people who have experienced being brighter than most people around them, (not hard in the music industry!) and this is one of those stereotypes I hate reinforcing, but Autists, especially ones with Aspergers, like RDJ, in particular are very susceptible to it - that if you are constantly noticing weird shit that neurotypicals just *don't*, that it leaves you very susceptible to believing that you have access to special truths that neurotypicals don't or can't see.

And for a conspiracy brainloop to really take hold, it's like it has to piggyback on something you already care a LOT about. (Like how anti-trans ideology can canibalise both feminist activism AND virulently anti-feminist activism, because these are issues that people care about very deeply!)

RDJ has always had a very serious anti-authoritarian streak. And this idea that 'Britain is a police state' - the thing is, there are many ways in which Britain already *is* very like a police state. All the jokes about 'rainy fascism island' are getting at something - the abuse of Stop and Search, the suppression of protest, the absolute impunity of the police to murder citizens with no repercussions, the wholesale deportation of the Windrush generation, etc. etc. etc. - but his established anti-authoritarian special interest doesn't seem to fixate on those genuine abuses. It leaps sideways onto something tangential which affects him (he can't leave his house) and instead of landing on something with a basis in fact (the Tory government is absolutely mishandling the epidemic) it leaps into 'being quarantined = oh noes here is the police state'.

Sorry to bring politics into ILM, if this was intended to just be a list thread. 'Why do people get caught up in weird conspiracy theories' is one of my long-term special interests, for obvious reasons.

Grebo Jones (Branwell with an N), Friday, 18 September 2020 08:08 (nine months ago) link

you'd think maybe the group of absolute foolish poltroons (who most of you'd cross a road to avoid) who make up th C-19 truther gang might make RJD pause for thought somewhat? I find it unforgivable that ppl who are otherwise silent about genuine human rights abuses committed by the British state are jumping on the Icke bandwagon ffs!

calzino, Friday, 18 September 2020 08:25 (nine months ago) link

Wiley's rep is so done in now he could become the official PIE spokesperson and it wouldn't be newsworthy!

calzino, Friday, 18 September 2020 08:52 (nine months ago) link

Van Morrison already was affiliated with PIE as evidenced in his passive pedophilia song, Cypress Avenue!

calzino, Friday, 18 September 2020 09:57 (nine months ago) link

maybe one for the PaedIdiots in Music thread where lots of legends of the delta blues who otherwise are treated with upmost reverence get brutally cancelled!

calzino, Friday, 18 September 2020 10:00 (nine months ago) link

Is wealth and age the main factor (for musicians)?

xyzzzz__, Friday, 18 September 2020 10:07 (nine months ago) link

I think maybe isolation from people who would expose them to better ideas if a factor? There's definitely a bubble factor going on.

I don't know! It's speculation.

Grebo Jones (Branwell with an N), Friday, 18 September 2020 10:08 (nine months ago) link

I think that maybe ~having a self image as a rebel and anti-authority figure~ is an inclination. Mistrust of official sources, etc.

Grebo Jones (Branwell with an N), Friday, 18 September 2020 10:09 (nine months ago) link

if they knew people who would ridicule/rip the piss out of them, or even calmly reason with them it might just make them dig in deeper.

calzino, Friday, 18 September 2020 10:13 (nine months ago) link

Is wealth and age the main factor (for musicians)?

List seems pretty multi-generational to me, tho I don't think I've seen any new/relevant artists take this stance yet.

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 18 September 2020 10:21 (nine months ago) link

feel like there are a lot of people out there who are like this, it's just that musicians are asked their opinions more often, or have a wider audience when expressing them on twitter

好 now 烧烤 (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 18 September 2020 10:23 (nine months ago) link

I only skimmed it but Aphex's take seemed more nuanced that the usual shit (I think a member of his family actually died of covid?) It was more 'this is serious but we are also at risk of stumbling into even more of an authoritarian police state'.

OTOH Aphex has regularly been full of shit and I wouldn't be surprised if he turned out to be here as well.

Noel Gallagher is the amusing one because his every pronouncement these days reveals him to be less intelligent than his brother (whose approach has been basically 'ffs just wear a mask').

Matt DC, Friday, 18 September 2020 10:25 (nine months ago) link

Aphex is a notorious wind up merchant and a massive stoner, which might be a factor.

stirmonster, Friday, 18 September 2020 10:29 (nine months ago) link

RDJ's father died recently (apparently not from Covid) so he is probably in a weird place.

I think your description of his take is pretty (overly) charitable, compared with what was screengrabbed and posted on Reddit (after being removed) but this is what is still up on his Soundcloud:

https://off-guardian.org/2020/08/15/the-reaction-of-the-left-to-lockdown/

Grebo Jones (Branwell with an N), Friday, 18 September 2020 10:33 (nine months ago) link

John Squire (as opposed to Brown) seems to also be pro-mask.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 18 September 2020 10:38 (nine months ago) link

he passed the eleven-plus and attended a grammar school, so probably a bit brighter than the gang of chimpanzees he hung out with!

calzino, Friday, 18 September 2020 10:55 (nine months ago) link

Yeah OK I only read an RA report on what Aphex posted, the original is pretty much what you'd expect and yeah I was definitely being charitable.

Matt DC, Friday, 18 September 2020 11:01 (nine months ago) link

I’d run a mile in case he coughed on me ooooohhhhh

— Liam Gallagher (@liamgallagher) September 18, 2020

xyzzzz__, Friday, 18 September 2020 11:19 (nine months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOHn6KurHE0

PaulTMA, Friday, 18 September 2020 11:25 (nine months ago) link

He wears masks he’s a proper little hypercondreact prob got a fancy designer 1 he’s just trying to get in on the argument he’s prob bored I would be if I was him

— Liam Gallagher (@liamgallagher) September 18, 2020

Matt DC, Friday, 18 September 2020 11:25 (nine months ago) link

proper little hypercondreact is the name of my dog

Monte Scampino (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 18 September 2020 11:36 (nine months ago) link

this is one of those stereotypes I hate reinforcing, but Autists, especially ones with Aspergers, like RDJ, in particular are very susceptible to it - that if you are constantly noticing weird shit that neurotypicals just *don't*, that it leaves you very susceptible to believing that you have access to special truths that neurotypicals don't or can't see.

All good stuff on RDJ. Sorry to pick this one bit out of a well reasoned post but it's amusing because my 'aspergers' means that when I get hold of rules like "2m distance" or "masks in shops" I can tend to be extremely diligent about them. Which in itself may look like authoritarianism fandom. But my acceptance of them is based on my own heuristics for determining truth and value, so at that point I don't feel it's acquiescence to a top-down dictum at all but rather personal responsibility.

Kieron Arse (Noel Emits), Friday, 18 September 2020 13:05 (nine months ago) link

No, my statement that you picked up on there was about Autists and our specific vulnerability to 'systematically comprehensive, completely logically consistent but warped worldviews' even when they're wrong or incomplete (e.g. things like incel ideology.) We are susceptible to those systems of thinking, precisely because we *do* tend to develop our own heuristics, rather than relying on social pressure and convention and all the other weird things neurotypicals seem to go by.

I wasn't saying 'autists love authoritarian fandom!' - I was saying more 'autists love to march to our own drumbeats' (but this does leave us susceptible to some really odd drums, and I think this is what's happened to RDJ, who used the word Asperger's to self-describe, hence why I used it.)

(Personally, as an Autist, the idea that I never have to go closer than 2m to another human being ever again is my idea of heaven!)

Grebo Jones (Branwell with an N), Friday, 18 September 2020 13:18 (nine months ago) link

I totally got what you were saying there btw, which is why I apologized for taking a bit out of context.

I think a tendency or ability to embrace rules can be (generally very wrongly) equated with authoritarianism random.

I feel there's a responsibility to cultivate good heuristics but maybe that's not entirely fair as it depends tonquite a large extent on your environmental inputs.

Kieron Arse (Noel Emits), Friday, 18 September 2020 13:38 (nine months ago) link

There's a screen behind every screen except the screen I'm looking at right now, thank god.

Yeah, dude is fucken gone.

Jerome Percival Jesus (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 16 June 2021 19:07 (one week ago) link

haha yeah ditching your TVs because you are worried about being tracked to opt for....a PC....is an interesting choice

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 16 June 2021 19:09 (one week ago) link

Lanegan goes on to talk about software stuff in that SPIN interview (something that particularly sucks about it is how the interviewer kind of makes a show of agreeing with his points and egging him on, especially re: Covid restrictions).

like a d4mn sociopath! (morrisp), Wednesday, 16 June 2021 19:41 (one week ago) link

Look, he didn't say he was worried about having his head measured by a webcam, just by the underlying screen of a television set. This isn't hard.

Jerome Percival Jesus (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 16 June 2021 19:42 (one week ago) link

xpost

Jerome Percival Jesus (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 16 June 2021 19:43 (one week ago) link

how thick was her head

Being cheap is expensive (snoball), Wednesday, 16 June 2021 19:55 (one week ago) link

I really mean to leaaarn

cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 16 June 2021 20:04 (one week ago) link

that oldham article is really poorly written, it’s so hard to understand the context and his intent behind the comments

Exactly. Does he mean people who refuse to wear masks are cowards? Or the people who don’t want to leave the house because of all the assholes not wearing masks, etc? Kind of important to be explicit about that, like.

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Wednesday, 16 June 2021 20:22 (one week ago) link

As for the Lanegan thing… anyone who’s read his memoir should understand the kind of person he thinks he is.

wronger than 100 geir posts (MacDara), Wednesday, 16 June 2021 20:23 (one week ago) link

yeah I guess with some of these...I don't care that much? in that I see really zero real world chance that Mark Lanegan's views on Covid matter at all and I sort of assumed he was real out there personally?

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 16 June 2021 20:25 (one week ago) link

PNW ‘90s rock dudes in general tend toward yikes. King Buzzo’s hero is Thomas Sowell.

Joe Bombin (milo z), Wednesday, 16 June 2021 20:49 (one week ago) link

guy from Candlebox allegedly recited Goebbels quotes on-stage for 45 minutes before the band would play a song

cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 16 June 2021 20:51 (one week ago) link

such a weird thread

DT, Thursday, 17 June 2021 01:31 (one week ago) link

i really hope Mad Professor is not saying what i think he might be saying

https://www.dubvendor.co.uk/mad-professor---covid-illusion---herd-effect-dub-ariwa-12-112954-p.asp

stirmonster, Thursday, 17 June 2021 17:36 (one week ago) link

I don’t really care that much if someone whose music I like is a covidiot, but I don’t think I could sit through a song about expressing those views.

beard papa, Thursday, 17 June 2021 18:00 (one week ago) link

Student Vaccination Time

cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Thursday, 17 June 2021 18:01 (one week ago) link

No lyrics on the Mad Professor A-side, but the video at least hints that he may not be a denier? (Maybe there are some words in one of these five mixes, if anyone wants to listen through.)

B-side has a couple of vocal adlibs but nothing that gives the game away. This Earl Zero b-side might be a version of it, but appears to have horns instead of lyrics, at least in the sample clip. (It's pretty sick, but that's probably not a clue either.)

Verdict: uhhhhh, hurry up and release your Roisin collab before we get a definitive reason to eschew listening to you?

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 17 June 2021 19:29 (one week ago) link

Play it backwards and you can hear "oh sweet covid conspiracy, I sing for thee many many conspiracy."

everything, Thursday, 17 June 2021 20:07 (one week ago) link

I must admit I did read the Will Oldham interview as ... fairly unpleasant.

djh, Thursday, 17 June 2021 20:23 (one week ago) link

can someone please link the Lanegan and Oldham articles? I don't feel like searching but I do feel like reading!

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 17 June 2021 20:47 (one week ago) link

Oldham

Lanegan

search term: buttrock (morrisp), Thursday, 17 June 2021 20:49 (one week ago) link

FWIW, the same writer did a brief follow-up interview w/Lanegan in December:

Having disappeared down the conspiracy-theory rabbit hole in our last chat, he was much more reserved, grounded, and altogether stress-free during this Christmas-season exit interview. That doesn’t mean he’s stopped looking over his shoulder, though — otherwise, how would his best, most sinister slithery songs ever get written?

search term: buttrock (morrisp), Thursday, 17 June 2021 20:51 (one week ago) link

thank you!

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 17 June 2021 21:09 (one week ago) link

Lanegan's paranoic apophenia + technical ignorance seems pretty commonplace as it goes.

mark e. smith-moon (f. hazel), Thursday, 17 June 2021 21:16 (one week ago) link

Yeah, I can think of at least a couple of examples in my extended family.

pomenitul, Thursday, 17 June 2021 21:25 (one week ago) link

Here's one that really hurts for me: Joseph Arthur. Someone I always put on a pedestal and considered to be one of the greatest artists of all time.

A year ago he already occasionally raised questions regarding measures such as lockdowns and masks, commented against Fauci and Gates, sympathized with conspiracy theories. Over the last few months it's gotten so much worse, as he (while saying he's not anti-vax in general) believes people are pressured via media propaganda into taken experimental bad vaccines. His own social media accounts feature several sessions each day of unloading 'information' in validation of his stance (generally: misinformation, or uncorroborated disputed statements from doctors or whatnot). He shared and supported comments from Ian Brown and Eric Clapton. He's been going on about how anything other than the main narrative is being silenced and how people deciding not to get the vaccine are 'segregated'.
The nature of the statements & the sources hint at alt-right roots, even qanon, which is especially disappointing as he wrote a heavy anti-Trump/Trump supporters song during the US presidential campaigns 6 years ago. It's clear that he used to be different. He himself said a while ago that he turned 'right' as he came to experience the 'left' trying to put limits on freedom. Many fans and even friends of his are alienated by his ways of late, I also had to unfollow his social media as it got too extreme.

Among other collaborations, he's been in a band with Jeff Ament (as RNDM), in another with Peter Buck (as Arthur Buck), one more with Dhani Harrison and Ben Harper (Fistful of Mercy). I wonder if all of those will be able to discern professional work from politics/worldview, if bridges are being burned in silence or if anyone will still speak up against this BS or smack him on the head or whatever.
I personally hope that if I give it some distance, I may eventually want to listen to his old work again & enjoy it as I used to, as he really seems to have become a different person over the past few years.

Valentijn, Monday, 21 June 2021 08:05 (four days ago) link

Re the plague rave in Zanzibar.

How much difference is there between that and Aaron Ramsey flying out to play in Baku?

anvil, Monday, 21 June 2021 13:05 (four days ago) link

Agreed on Joseph Arthur. Well-articulated. Also unsubbed from his social media. Love his music and his odd artwork, but not his recent takes.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Monday, 21 June 2021 13:24 (four days ago) link

How much difference is there between that and Aaron Ramsey flying out to play in Baku?

Azerbaijan appears not to be denying that COVID exists, and to be requiring both proof of vaccination and a negative test for foreigners to enter, so it's different on that account. How big were the gigs this guy was playing, and were they indoors or outdoors, with assigned/distanced seating or open?

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, 21 June 2021 18:49 (four days ago) link

30,000 and outdoors. Good point on the vaccine requirement

anvil, Monday, 21 June 2021 19:32 (four days ago) link

Some fans turn against Foo Fighters after hearing concert-goers need proof of vaccination

― like a d4mn sociopath! (morrisp), Saturday, June 12, 2021 3:30 PM (one week ago)

turns out they welcomed covidiots who hold super-spreader events to this, just not in the audience

Fully vaccinated… Gets you into a concert… To see the Foo Fighters… And David Chapelle sing

Creep pic.twitter.com/XxCqVgorpO

— ⚡️✨🌟💥⭐️💫🔥☄️⚡️✨🌟 (@JIMrichards1010) June 21, 2021

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, 21 June 2021 19:46 (four days ago) link


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