Things you were shockingly old when you learned

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I do off my cap to that fact

Extent of negative effect of grapefruits on the way certain pills work.
As in can pretty much counter teh effect and isn't just a random thing.

Shame grapefruits are nice, eaten peeled like oranges. None of that half a one in a breakfast bowl with sugar shite.

Holy shit and Julius Fuck, I never thought of that music as anything other than circus/Looney Tunes music.

Yeah, this is the craziest shit ever

I've been meaning to start a thread forever to showcase the instrumental pieces that everyone knows but that hardly anyone knows the name/composer of. Like 'Sabre Dance':

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqg3l3r_DRI

great thread idea! i was at a relative's organ recital(!) and the best bit was watching the audience reaction when they recognised what was written down in the program as "J.S.Bach, Toccata and Fugue in D minor". top marks went to the kid in front who said excitedly "it's the Dracula song!!!"

Done and done: Instrumental Pieces that Everyone Knows but that Hardly Anyone Knows the Name/Composer Of

Literally just this moment realized that Eeyore is the sound a donkey makes.

A "petard" is a bomb. I always thought it was some kind of sword. (Thanks to today's NYT x-word puzzle for this).

hoist by your own petard = blown up by your own bomb. I think.

Specifically when you plant your petard next to the fortress wall but don’t run away fast enough and get flung into the air (hoist) by the blast

That’s how we learned it in basic training obv

I never bothered to look into it (obvs) and just always assumed it was like a jock strap or something. Perhaps a portmanteau of 'peter' and 'leotard'. Like casting out a line and catching your own dick with the hook.

hoist by your own petard = blown up by your own bomb. I thin

Yeah it's this. I always pictured someone getting run through with a sword and slightly lifted off their feet.

i always assumed it was like a pike or spear, and in my mind hoisting yourself on your own mean you were running too fast, got the tip stuck in the ground, and kind of pole-vaulted yourself up into the air

My mental image was something along the lines of Old Lunch's post. Like a belt/jockstrap version of "pulling oneself up by one's own bootstraps."

Since I learned the actual meaning I’ve completely forgotten what I imagined it to mean before.

I swear there was some story I read as a preteen that even had an illustration of the saying: a character unwittingly tying himself to a pulley attached to a pole when he meant to tie something else to it and then he pulled on the rope and lifted himself skyward and was unable to get down

^^ - I have a very similar memory of such an illustration

There's a scene in the Pink Panther with David Niven and Capucine where she tries to say this while drunk and it is charming

https://www.zbook.ir/the-chronicles-of-narnia/the-horse-and-his-boy/chapter-12-15/images/pic05.jpg

the petard of tash hoists from above

thought petard was another word for "gallows" and you were being hung by your own rope

Perhaps a portmanteau of 'peter' and 'leotard'.

I'm absolutely dying at this reverse-engineered explanation, and will never be able to think of "hoist by his own petard" in any other way.

it’s French. it means bomb. “peter” the verb means to burst or explode (or fart)

v embarrassing to be killed by your own fart

xp
hence petomane
as in the cabaret artist whose art form was the fart and who was later played by leonard Rossiter in 1970 odd.

& i Think unfortunately that became a derogatory name for gays didn't it?

Probably even more embarrassing to survive being hoist by it

Verily, sirrah, it appears that you have petered into your own leotard.

Count me in as another one who imagined "hoist by your own petard" to be some kind of wedgie situation.

I used to think petard was a kind of sword, and that the phrase meant you had attacked someone who managed to get the sword away from you and attack you with it.

I figured petard was some kind of sailing thing, like you'd be hoisting the mizzen and end up in the crow's nest from some Wiley Coyote rope incident.

so in conclusion hoist by your own petard means being lifted into the air by your own fart right, and being unable to get down when the fart freezes in Minnesota wintertime and your fart is holding you up like an inverted bicycle seat

Totally thought it was a halberd

Rob Halberd of Jubas Briest

Extent of negative effect of grapefruits on the way certain pills work.
As in can pretty much counter teh effect and isn't just a random thing.

In some cases they increase the effect. If you take amlodipine for hypertension grapefruit can somehow increase the concentration and you can pass out with low blood pressure

I can't eat grapefruits and they wuz my fav citrus fruit, bloomin big pharma.
& whatever chemical processes taht is.

I asked my doctor if I could replace the pills with the grapefruit and got a perfectly condescending "it doesn't quite work that way" in response

Hard to swallow... Even with water.

Someone on Star Trek: Enterprise had a grapefruit intolerance. Why do I remember that?

It was pineapple

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Silent_Enemy_(episode)

I've read that grapefruit is helpful for alleviating the effects of tear gas

So there's that

My wife takes quietapine (seroquel) for bipolar and you cant have grapefruit on it because it can cause an increase in the effects or something? It's already a horrendously strong sedative

I think it clashes with a diabetes 2 thing I take.

I've got quite a thread volley going on. Look up Sousa for the instrumental music thread, then learn a bunch of stuff about his hobbies as well as his hatred for recorded music. And it is there I saw:

"canned music", a reference to the early wax cylinder records that came in can-like cylindrical cardboard boxes.

I always thought it meant "canned" as if you got it from a can, like canned soup! I had no idea it was a reference to the original can-shaped cylindars!

Canned laughter is another term for fake studio laughter isn't it?

For sure. "Canned" means "recorded," a la the shape Edison cylinders.

i also had always read "canned music" in "mass-produced, packaged, fake, comes out of a can" rather than "wax cylinders." and i read a whole book on labor and automation that referred a lot to "canned" music. (tbf the author may have actually explained this at some point and my eyes gone past it...)

Whether or not "canned music" referred to wax cylinders in the 1920s or thereabouts, by the 1960s it referred to selections of music to be piped into shopping venues, prepared, packaged and labelled for convenience like canned soup, most famously from the Muzak Corporation.

i'm just wondering whether that meaning and/or the negative connotations came in part because of the use of "canned" in (ultimately unsuccessful) campaigns by unionized live musicians to convince consumers not to settle for the "canned" stuff... this would have been in the 30s iirc, with the end of the silent movie era for one thing being a huge problem for working musicians.... i should dig up the title of this book tomorrow, it had some really good stuff in it. but definitely a lot of the word "canned."

The 1942-1944 musicians' strike