B&B is so well engineered. It sounds great, especially the Virgin remaster.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 22:48 (three years ago) link
There's almost a whole good album divided between It's Only Rock 'n' Roll and Black & Blue. I'd probably sequence it like this:
Side A"It's Only Rock 'n' Roll (But I Like It)""Ain't Too Proud to Beg""Time Waits for No One""Fingerprint File"
Side B"Dance Little Sister""Hand of Fate""Fool to Cry""Crazy Mama"
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 22:58 (three years ago) link
“hot stuff” is sweet, great openerI do love those Rolling Stones and their music
― brimstead, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 23:01 (three years ago) link
For the life of me, I'll never understand what people like about the drippy "Fool to Cry" ("Crazy Mama" and "Memory Motel" are decent, though).
― A White, White Gay (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 23:05 (three years ago) link
"Crazy Mama" is an example of why I love Jagger on electric rhythm guitar.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 23:27 (three years ago) link
I love this album even thought it's considered the end of a magical run from 68-72. Listening to it, I was thinking about similar albums by other artists. Thinking of a poll, but right now just compiling a list (mostly dinosaur acts):
The Rolling Stones - Goats Head SoupLed Zeppelin - PresenceBlack Sabbath - Sabbath Bloody SabbathThe Beatles - Let It BeCCR - Pendulum
Would Erotica fit in here? A Prince album?
Is this on some level the battle of the New Jersey's? Idk.
― reassessing life after bookmarking a Will Smith thread (PBKR), Thursday, 7 April 2022 23:37 (two years ago) link
There are probably Pavement and Stereolab albums that fit in here too.
― reassessing life after bookmarking a Will Smith thread (PBKR), Thursday, 7 April 2022 23:39 (two years ago) link
Lovely story about my favourite song from the album
https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2496164/angelina-jolie-reveals-the-story-behind-the-tattoo-she-got-for-her-late-mother
― piscesx, Thursday, 7 April 2022 23:43 (two years ago) link
More like overlooked follow-ups suffering in the shadows of Iconic Releases.
See Also:
Fleetwood Mac: MirageClash: Combat RockTom Petty: Long After Dark
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 8 April 2022 00:04 (two years ago) link
Deep Purple: Who Do We Think We Are
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Friday, 8 April 2022 00:21 (two years ago) link
I thought CCR's "Pendulum" was still rightfully considered part of their great run of albums (despite "Rude Awakening #2"). Mardi Gras really signaled the end, a great double-sided single buried amidst dull and uninspired music.
― birdistheword, Friday, 8 April 2022 00:50 (two years ago) link
Yes, but, I'm sure there is some Bon Jovi fan somewhere saying that's what New Jersey is.
Otoh, I'm not sure anyone is voting for New Jersey when you put it together in a poll with Presence.
― reassessing life after bookmarking a Will Smith thread (PBKR), Friday, 8 April 2022 00:54 (two years ago) link
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath is part of the classic BS run imho and so is its follow up Sabotage. It’s Technical Ecstasy where things really go off the rails
― calstars, Friday, 8 April 2022 01:17 (two years ago) link
Journey Through The Secret Life of Plants? Trust by Elvis Costello? Caribou/Rock of the Westies/Blue Moves?
Maybe some guidelines are needed about the length of the preceding run of successes, and what makes the album under discussion a disappointment, etc.
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 8 April 2022 11:36 (two years ago) link
I was thinking that the run of success should be at least three "classic" records, otherwise there would be so many possibilities here. Classic is, obv, in the eye of a beholder, but I am thinking of a pretty high standard where there is a sense (fans and/or critics, then or now) that the band overall can do no wrong. The disappointing album then is considered a mistaken change of direction or a misstep that doesn't meet the previous high standard. Not that the band couldn't produce another classic album later, but that there is a sense that the disappointing album is a distinct break in the classic run and the band entered a new phase.
― reassessing life after bookmarking a Will Smith thread (PBKR), Friday, 8 April 2022 12:04 (two years ago) link
― reassessing life after bookmarking a Will Smith thread (PBKR),
nobody thought GHS signaled a commercial decline, especially since GHS outsold EOMS and produced a #1 single.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 April 2022 12:06 (two years ago) link
Well, commercial success doesn't equal quality - there is a reason ppl refer to their classic run as 68-72 and not 68-73 - but that is the discussion: albums considered a break from a classic run that (maybe) are themselves classic but in a different way.
― reassessing life after bookmarking a Will Smith thread (PBKR), Friday, 8 April 2022 12:35 (two years ago) link
But I guess you are addressing my question re battle of the NJs.
― reassessing life after bookmarking a Will Smith thread (PBKR), Friday, 8 April 2022 12:36 (two years ago) link
“Winter” is a boring clunker. Sounds like some high school poetry …“just learned these two chords on guitar and now I’m going to write a song” Mr D and Heartbreaker are fire tho
― calstars, Friday, 8 April 2022 12:37 (two years ago) link
― reassessing life after bookmarking a Will Smith thread (PBKR
yeah
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 April 2022 12:38 (two years ago) link
xp Mr. D, Heartbreaker, 100 Years Ago are all top tier Stones for me. I think Winter is great, but it and stuff like Coming Down Again points out that the album gets by on vibe more than the previous four albums. But what a vibe! It's like they took the strung out, indistinct elements of Sticky Fingers and Exile and made a whole album of it.
Is it just me or is there way more keyboards on this album than the previous ones?
― reassessing life after bookmarking a Will Smith thread (PBKR), Friday, 8 April 2022 12:47 (two years ago) link
and those keyboards dominate the next two albums.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 April 2022 12:49 (two years ago) link
other than the singles, I never heard this record until like 2014 or something… I think "starfucker" was notorious for the time, but now you could probly "be rilly rilly into the Stones" but never have heard the song… and "can you hear music," with hints of the Jajouka/Brian Jones record, is maybe the closest they ever came to mystical proggish shit; also MJ at least was noticing Bowie and T Rex at this time, which certainly influenced the presentation/packaging…
― veronica moser, Friday, 8 April 2022 13:57 (two years ago) link
Mr. D is their Alice Cooper move.
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 8 April 2022 14:14 (two years ago) link
yep, good point
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 April 2022 14:23 (two years ago) link
This was the first Stones record I ever owned, and for that alone it would have a special place in my heart. It's got a few bangers on it besides "Heartbreaker," though: "Hide Your Love," "100 Years Ago," "Dancing with Mr. D."
"Angie" is good but overplayed.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 8 April 2022 14:24 (two years ago) link
Joni Mitchell - For The Roses
― Maresn3st, Friday, 8 April 2022 14:35 (two years ago) link
Rock of the Westies
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Friday, 8 April 2022 14:38 (two years ago) link
Foot Loose and Fancy Free?
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Friday, 8 April 2022 14:40 (two years ago) link
Blue Sky Mining
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 8 April 2022 14:41 (two years ago) link
Border Lord
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Friday, 8 April 2022 14:41 (two years ago) link
Rock of the Westies seems like a classic NJ album: still managed to debut at #1 like its predecessor; one smash #1 single; a follow-up that stiffed, his first to miss the top ten in three years.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 April 2022 14:42 (two years ago) link
this is maybe a 70s mini-genre of albums where drug fatigue caught up with the artist
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Friday, 8 April 2022 14:44 (two years ago) link
For the Roses is underrated, but it's more like a "detour on the road to greater success" record. Joni's would be Hissing of Summer Lawns or Don Juan's Reckless Daughter, depending how you view her career.
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 8 April 2022 15:16 (two years ago) link
The problem with Rock of the Westies is that no-one I've heard refers to Caribou as one of a string of great albums.
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 8 April 2022 15:19 (two years ago) link
Goodness or greatness has nothing to do with qualifying for a New Jersey, though.
And plenty of critics think Honkey Chateau, Goodbye Yellow Brick Road, and Captain Fantastic... qualify as good to great albums, incidentally.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 April 2022 15:35 (two years ago) link
I was still going by the original post in this revive: "end of a magical run".
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 8 April 2022 15:47 (two years ago) link
Caribou had "Don't Let the Sun Go Down On Me"--which is magical enough for me
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Friday, 8 April 2022 17:02 (two years ago) link
also Caribou came out 8 months after GYBR, which is ridiculous by today's standards
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Friday, 8 April 2022 17:04 (two years ago) link
OK, but Goats Head Soup had "Angie", that makes it even more of a match.
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 8 April 2022 17:29 (two years ago) link
but Angie sucks
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Friday, 8 April 2022 17:38 (two years ago) link
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 April 2022 17:40 (two years ago) link
This is a significant factor and maybe more what I am going for (cf Presence).
Angie, is awesome wtf.
So time for my Angie story. Girl I went to prom with in HS was named Angie and so I gave her a cassette of GHS even though I didn't know the album. She looked at it and gave it back to me saying, "my last boyfriend gave me this album." I didn't listen to it for 20+ years after that.
― reassessing life after bookmarking a Will Smith thread (PBKR), Friday, 8 April 2022 17:42 (two years ago) link
What a heartbreaker!
(Doo doo doo doo doo)
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 8 April 2022 17:48 (two years ago) link
imagine what Amanda went through
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Friday, 8 April 2022 18:05 (two years ago) link
Coincidentally enough, the first two Elton John albums I bought were Madman Across the Water and Rock of the Westies (which must have been his latest at the time). Talk about a study in contrasts.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 8 April 2022 18:08 (two years ago) link
I suppose you could add Aerosmith's Draw the Line
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Friday, 8 April 2022 18:08 (two years ago) link
"Draw the Line was untogether because we weren't a cohesive unit anymore," guitarist Joe Perry admitted in the Stephen Davis band memoir Walk This Way. "We were drug addicts dabbling in music, rather than musicians dabbling in drugs.
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Friday, 8 April 2022 18:10 (two years ago) link
Aerosmith had a run of two great albums--well, okay, two great albums and one almost great album. Admittedly, the two were great fucking albums, but it's been 46 years now.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 8 April 2022 18:19 (two years ago) link
I would argue that every Aerosmith album from the debut through Rock in a Hard Place is at least worth hearing, nothing they've done since has even risen to the level of mediocrity, and some of it is among the worst music ever recorded in English.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 8 April 2022 18:44 (two years ago) link