Rolling Stones' Goats Head Soup - is it underrated because it came after Exile?

honestly, i prefer the loose emotionalism of b&b to the sludgy hedonism of goat's head.

egads, "Hot Stuff" and "Hey Negrita."

I love both of these, gtfo.

B&B is so well engineered. It sounds great, especially the Virgin remaster.

There's almost a whole good album divided between It's Only Rock 'n' Roll and Black & Blue. I'd probably sequence it like this:

Side A
"It's Only Rock 'n' Roll (But I Like It)"
"Ain't Too Proud to Beg"
"Time Waits for No One"
"Fingerprint File"

Side B
"Dance Little Sister"
"Hand of Fate"
"Fool to Cry"
"Crazy Mama"

“hot stuff” is sweet, great opener

I do love those Rolling Stones and their music

For the life of me, I'll never understand what people like about the drippy "Fool to Cry" ("Crazy Mama" and "Memory Motel" are decent, though).

"Crazy Mama" is an example of why I love Jagger on electric rhythm guitar.

I love this album even thought it's considered the end of a magical run from 68-72. Listening to it, I was thinking about similar albums by other artists. Thinking of a poll, but right now just compiling a list (mostly dinosaur acts):

The Rolling Stones - Goats Head Soup
Led Zeppelin - Presence
Black Sabbath - Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
The Beatles - Let It Be
CCR - Pendulum

Would Erotica fit in here? A Prince album?

Is this on some level the battle of the New Jersey's? Idk.

There are probably Pavement and Stereolab albums that fit in here too.

Lovely story about my favourite song from the album

https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2496164/angelina-jolie-reveals-the-story-behind-the-tattoo-she-got-for-her-late-mother

Is this on some level the battle of the New Jersey's? Idk.

More like overlooked follow-ups suffering in the shadows of Iconic Releases.

See Also:

Fleetwood Mac: Mirage
Clash: Combat Rock
Tom Petty: Long After Dark

Deep Purple: Who Do We Think We Are

I thought CCR's "Pendulum" was still rightfully considered part of their great run of albums (despite "Rude Awakening #2"). Mardi Gras really signaled the end, a great double-sided single buried amidst dull and uninspired music.

More like overlooked follow-ups suffering in the shadows of Iconic Releases.

Yes, but, I'm sure there is some Bon Jovi fan somewhere saying that's what New Jersey is.

Otoh, I'm not sure anyone is voting for New Jersey when you put it together in a poll with Presence.

Sabbath Bloody Sabbath is part of the classic BS run imho and so is its follow up Sabotage. It’s Technical Ecstasy where things really go off the rails

Journey Through The Secret Life of Plants? Trust by Elvis Costello? Caribou/Rock of the Westies/Blue Moves?

Maybe some guidelines are needed about the length of the preceding run of successes, and what makes the album under discussion a disappointment, etc.

I was thinking that the run of success should be at least three "classic" records, otherwise there would be so many possibilities here. Classic is, obv, in the eye of a beholder, but I am thinking of a pretty high standard where there is a sense (fans and/or critics, then or now) that the band overall can do no wrong. The disappointing album then is considered a mistaken change of direction or a misstep that doesn't meet the previous high standard. Not that the band couldn't produce another classic album later, but that there is a sense that the disappointing album is a distinct break in the classic run and the band entered a new phase.

The Rolling Stones - Goats Head Soup
Led Zeppelin - Presence
Black Sabbath - Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
The Beatles - Let It Be
CCR - Pendulum

Would Erotica fit in here? A Prince album?

Is this on some level the battle of the New Jersey's? Idk.

― reassessing life after bookmarking a Will Smith thread (PBKR),

nobody thought GHS signaled a commercial decline, especially since GHS outsold EOMS and produced a #1 single.

Well, commercial success doesn't equal quality - there is a reason ppl refer to their classic run as 68-72 and not 68-73 - but that is the discussion: albums considered a break from a classic run that (maybe) are themselves classic but in a different way.

But I guess you are addressing my question re battle of the NJs.

“Winter” is a boring clunker. Sounds like some high school poetry …“just learned these two chords on guitar and now I’m going to write a song”
Mr D and Heartbreaker are fire tho

But I guess you are addressing my question re battle of the NJs.

― reassessing life after bookmarking a Will Smith thread (PBKR

yeah

xp Mr. D, Heartbreaker, 100 Years Ago are all top tier Stones for me. I think Winter is great, but it and stuff like Coming Down Again points out that the album gets by on vibe more than the previous four albums. But what a vibe! It's like they took the strung out, indistinct elements of Sticky Fingers and Exile and made a whole album of it.

Is it just me or is there way more keyboards on this album than the previous ones?

and those keyboards dominate the next two albums.

other than the singles, I never heard this record until like 2014 or something… I think "starfucker" was notorious for the time, but now you could probly "be rilly rilly into the Stones" but never have heard the song… and "can you hear music," with hints of the Jajouka/Brian Jones record, is maybe the closest they ever came to mystical proggish shit; also MJ at least was noticing Bowie and T Rex at this time, which certainly influenced the presentation/packaging…

Mr. D is their Alice Cooper move.

yep, good point

This was the first Stones record I ever owned, and for that alone it would have a special place in my heart. It's got a few bangers on it besides "Heartbreaker," though: "Hide Your Love," "100 Years Ago," "Dancing with Mr. D."

"Angie" is good but overplayed.

Joni Mitchell - For The Roses

Rock of the Westies

Foot Loose and Fancy Free?

Blue Sky Mining

Border Lord

Rock of the Westies seems like a classic NJ album: still managed to debut at #1 like its predecessor; one smash #1 single; a follow-up that stiffed, his first to miss the top ten in three years.

this is maybe a 70s mini-genre of albums where drug fatigue caught up with the artist

For the Roses is underrated, but it's more like a "detour on the road to greater success" record. Joni's would be Hissing of Summer Lawns or Don Juan's Reckless Daughter, depending how you view her career.

The problem with Rock of the Westies is that no-one I've heard refers to Caribou as one of a string of great albums.

Goodness or greatness has nothing to do with qualifying for a New Jersey, though.

And plenty of critics think Honkey Chateau, Goodbye Yellow Brick Road, and Captain Fantastic... qualify as good to great albums, incidentally.

I was still going by the original post in this revive: "end of a magical run".

Caribou had "Don't Let the Sun Go Down On Me"--which is magical enough for me

also Caribou came out 8 months after GYBR, which is ridiculous by today's standards

OK, but Goats Head Soup had "Angie", that makes it even more of a match.

but Angie sucks

yeah

this is maybe a 70s mini-genre of albums where drug fatigue caught up with the artist

This is a significant factor and maybe more what I am going for (cf Presence).

Angie, is awesome wtf.

So time for my Angie story. Girl I went to prom with in HS was named Angie and so I gave her a cassette of GHS even though I didn't know the album. She looked at it and gave it back to me saying, "my last boyfriend gave me this album." I didn't listen to it for 20+ years after that.

What a heartbreaker!

(Doo doo doo doo doo)

imagine what Amanda went through

Coincidentally enough, the first two Elton John albums I bought were Madman Across the Water and Rock of the Westies (which must have been his latest at the time). Talk about a study in contrasts.

I suppose you could add Aerosmith's Draw the Line

"Draw the Line was untogether because we weren't a cohesive unit anymore," guitarist Joe Perry admitted in the Stephen Davis band memoir Walk This Way. "We were drug addicts dabbling in music, rather than musicians dabbling in drugs.