joke's on you you heard an (enya) bitin' ass crew
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 15:36 (three years ago) link
When I first heard Nevermind, my immediate thought was oh here's a band that is blantantly ripping off Pixies. There's obviously a lot more there too, but that was my first impression.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, September 13, 2020 9:23 PM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink
more Boston than the Pixies but the quiet/loud/quiet thing was def there.
it's funny when you first hear things that end up being iconic, saw the Strokes open for Doves in a small club and thought they were doing a Smiths ripoff
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 15:37 (three years ago) link
all up enya
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 15:42 (three years ago) link
"Enya is everywhere" is what we used to say while watching my sister's Moonshadows tape
― swing out sister: live in new donk city (geoffreyess), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 16:11 (three years ago) link
extremely Mojo Nixon voice
― Thoia Thoing, Maryland (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 16:13 (three years ago) link
for the record i just wrote then deleted a martha-related mojo enya joke
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 16:36 (three years ago) link
lol I remember the Pixies influence on Nirvana being a thing mentioned often at the time--as if the Pixies were some obscure '60s group and not a going concern back then
There was a little cognitive dissonance when I first realized the first Pixies album came out a year before the first Nirvana album and they were contemporaries at the time of Nevermind. Not saying the influence was absent but it was more like the influence of MBV on Smashing Pumpkins than the influence of Black Sabbath on Soundgarden.
― The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 16:47 (three years ago) link
I'm from Ireland, and have thus been exposed to considerably more of Enya's music over the years than I might ideally have wanted. The sight of Pitchfork trying to turn her into some sort of Delia Derbyshire figure is absolutely hilarious.
― does it look like i'm here (jon123), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 16:59 (three years ago) link
yeah Trompe Le Monde in rotation with Nevermind for sure
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 17:06 (three years ago) link
maybe it's common knowledge, but is the line from "Trompe le Monde": "We went to the store and bought something greatWhich samples this song from Washington state" a Nirvana diss? Or does that not even line up chronologically?
― tylerw, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 17:22 (three years ago) link
P4k are years late to the Enya party!
https://thequietus.com/articles/14120-enya-watermark-reviewhttps://thequietus.com/articles/19296-enya-interview-roma-nicky-ryan
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 18:03 (three years ago) link
― tylerw, Wednesday, September 16, 2020 12:22 PM (forty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
wiki says TLM and nevermind were released on the same day!?
i can't imagine pixies worry a whole lot about bleach era nirvana
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 18:06 (three years ago) link
i think the pixies thing is overstated. they were just as much influenced by wipers, melvins, husker du. Pixies didn't have a copyright on creating the quiet LOUD quiet LOUD thing. Nirvana just polished up a combination of underground sounds with some particularly catchy melodies and a very pretty dude at the front?
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 18:11 (three years ago) link
Circling back to the Stones review —
“Criss Cross” is the sort of cowbell-clanging boogie that Royal Trux spent half of their existence chasing
– this is a good jam, but I don't particularly hear a lot of Trux in it... or even any cowbell (unless I'm going deaf).
― Can Butch Vig not do "dynamimcs"? (morrisp), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 18:14 (three years ago) link
yeah idk about that but I did read somewhere in the past that goats head soup is Neil and/or Jennifer’s favorite stones album
― brimstead, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 18:25 (three years ago) link
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Wednesday, September 16, 2020 1:11 PM (thirteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
I've read the band was more concerned that "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was pretty much exactly the riff from "More Than a Feeling" by Boston
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 18:25 (three years ago) link
The rhythm and first two chords are similar. The third and fourth chords are totally different, though.
― The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 18:37 (three years ago) link
you know who also did the quiet/LOUD thing before Nirvanna?
Beethoven
*leans way back in chair*
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 18:38 (three years ago) link
so did my man JEHOVAH tbrr
― rob, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 18:47 (three years ago) link
I’m just so glad that review highlights the brilliance of “Lime House”-maybe the best song Kim Deal has ever written
― beamish13, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 19:21 (three years ago) link
Agreed re: Limehouse, god I love that track, even its problematic lyrics.
― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 19:40 (three years ago) link
Beethoven was my fav grunge act aside from Mudhoney
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 19:52 (three years ago) link
I wonder if Stuart Berman actually meant to reference "All the Rage" (the preceding track)? That one sounds more Trux-ian, and has audible cowbell.
― Can Butch Vig not do "dynamimcs"? (morrisp), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 20:02 (three years ago) link
xpost https://www.seattlesymphony.org/~/media/2021-event-images/banner/2021-1017-ad-880x399.jpg
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 20:05 (three years ago) link
haha jesus christ
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 21:12 (three years ago) link
I mean the Pixies thing stems in large part from Kurt specifically saying he was trying to rip them off when he wrote SLTS, but maybe he was trying to throw people off the scent
― Number None, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 21:19 (three years ago) link
He also said
“It was such a cliched riff,” he said. “It was so close to a Boston riff or ‘Louie Louie.’
― The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 21:47 (three years ago) link
Kurt was pretty generous about pointing out his influences
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 21:58 (three years ago) link
Hey, what if there were multiple things that influenced him? Like has anyone here said that song absolutely was in no way influenced by Boston?
This whole teasing out of just what exact % does each possible influence contribute to this or that song is ridiculous.
xp
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 17 September 2020 00:31 (three years ago) link
Success has a thousand fathers, but TAD is an orphan.
― Scam Likely (morrisp), Thursday, 17 September 2020 00:46 (three years ago) link
Hm? I wasn't doing that. I was making the same point as you, that multiple things influenced him, and also the video in the link is hilarious.
― The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Thursday, 17 September 2020 00:54 (three years ago) link
Well + that he wasn't trying to throw people off the scent.
― The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Thursday, 17 September 2020 00:56 (three years ago) link
Fair enough, I don't know why this particular topic agitates me. For some reason, the topic of Pixies influence on Nirvana is fraught. Not sure if it's Frank Black backlash or what. I think that the influence is extremely obvious, but of course there were many other influences as well. For some reasons these discussions quickly go from "Nirvana had many influence" to "actually Pixies weren't really a very significant influence. X, Y, or Z were much more important." That to me is just silly, especially when it involves parsing out to what extent multiple records featuring Kim Deal that came out in a span of two years had more or less influence.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 17 September 2020 01:21 (three years ago) link
wow this album rules
https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/numun-voyage-au-soleil/
― unpaid intern at the darvo institute (Simon H.), Thursday, 17 September 2020 13:48 (three years ago) link
Sounds cool. I wonder if the title was meant to mean 'journey to the sun' or some such? As it stands, it's more like a 'sunlit trip'.
― hey, trust the fungus! (pomenitul), Thursday, 17 September 2020 14:04 (three years ago) link
ou est le soleil
― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 17 September 2020 15:01 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1Qknahm4UM
― No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Thursday, 17 September 2020 17:03 (three years ago) link
Dans la tete.Travaillez.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 17 September 2020 17:16 (three years ago) link
― unpaid intern at the darvo institute (Simon H.), Thursday, September 17, 2020 8:48 AM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
yeah, goddamn this is so good, a couple songs in right now....
partly reminds me of if Macha were Deadheads
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 17 September 2020 19:31 (three years ago) link
Mina Tavakoli's write-up about Beverly Glenn Copeland is generous and great <3
― flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 20 September 2020 19:13 (three years ago) link
Shockingly, Reed’s liberalism still feels progressive. The one exception is on the taut, distorted “Good Evening Mr. Waldheim,” about Jesse Jackson’s 1988 presidential campaign, and an incident in which he referred to Jews using the ethnic slur “hymies.” Reed was understandably offended, but he peppers his song with ripostes that have aged poorly, notably interrogating Jackson’s belief that U.S. leaders should meet with the Palestinian Liberation Organization.
― Scam Likely (morrisp), Sunday, 27 September 2020 01:57 (three years ago) link
They ordained the Trumpsand then he got the mumpsand died being treated at Mt. Sinai
― brimstead, Sunday, 27 September 2020 02:06 (three years ago) link
xp (btw – Jackson’s stance on the PLO was already a moot point by the time the album was released, in Jan. 1989... the '88 primaries were long jn the past, and Reagan had opened dialogue with the PLO a month earlier.)
― Scam Likely (morrisp), Sunday, 27 September 2020 05:10 (three years ago) link
Back in 89 songs weren’t generally released the same week they were written
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 27 September 2020 17:45 (three years ago) link
Sure, that's my point. That particular line had already "aged poorly" by the time the album came out. May have been an interesting point for the reviewer to make; instead, he uses it as a fulcrum to say that other stuff in the song has also aged poorly, without explaining what.
― Scam Likely (morrisp), Sunday, 27 September 2020 17:57 (three years ago) link
(or not so much "aged poorly" as been rendered irrelevant by recent events.)
― Scam Likely (morrisp), Sunday, 27 September 2020 18:00 (three years ago) link
Well Reed was likely complaining about Jacksons hug with Arafat in 79, not some recentish thing
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 27 September 2020 19:39 (three years ago) link
It was a topic in the ‘88 campaign. Btw, Jesse’s “Hymietown” interview was in ‘84... I don’t know/recall how much it remained an issue in ‘88 (tho it was obviously still on Lou’s mind).
― Scam Likely (morrisp), Sunday, 27 September 2020 19:42 (three years ago) link
I also don’t know if the Waldheim affair was actively in the news in ‘88/‘89 (though he was still president of Austria)... seems like Lou was sort of pulling various threads together.
― Scam Likely (morrisp), Sunday, 27 September 2020 19:49 (three years ago) link
Yes to more coverage of Black indie, but this guy has to be the worst music person on Twitter. Whines about absolutely everything while stealing money from bands on his label.
For example, Pitchfork passed on serious coverage of all of our releases from black artists this year due to not being relevant enough. Some were at least lucky enough to get filler pieces and mentions in round-up articles. Meanwhile, serious coverage was given to... https://t.co/2kgaQRYjvD— Don Giovanni Records (@DonGiovanniRecs) September 29, 2020
― Frozen CD, Tuesday, 29 September 2020 18:44 (three years ago) link