love* in the time of plague (and by love* i mean brexit* and other dreary matters of uk politics)

Lol!

Someone commented t'other day that Keith would probably consider Sure Start a bit too Old Labour.

i worked for a Sure Start, really feels like i was at the heart of Blairite darkness tbh

The point being he is a bit to the right of Blair!

The only other conceivable reason for playing down the differences between Miliband and the Labour left would be if one genuinely believed that they didn’t exist, and I really don’t want to believe that – even in these disorientating times – comrades are that stupid. Going back to the pre-Corbyn era of a parliamentary left small, fragmented and reduced to begging for minor concessions from non-socialists would represent the dying whimper of the Corbynite movement and everything it fought for.

When these FBPEers angrily denounce Cameron as the sole cause of Brexit I don't buy it. The forces of Brexit were there and both parties were playing with fire and fuelling populist bigotry. Some other worthless fucker would have let the djinn out of the bottle sooner or later.

tbh I say much the same about Thatcherism but the referendum and its wording were a product of a very specific set of issues within the Tory Party

The entire country: "we can't get a test"
Priti Patel: "yes you can shut up"

I agree with the view that Miliband as PM would have meant none of the FBPE garbage, and I think that's a great point in favour of that alternate timeline.

I think that for some of us, before JC the sense of real political space was more limited - I literally could no longer even imagine a leader to the left of Ed M. He seemed as good as we could possibly get, and he was generally assailed for being a dangerous socialist. From this POV it was quite logical to support him.

I suppose different judgments can be made about now.

I agree that Thatcherism wasn't the product of one person but a much bigger process.

The EU ref was a part of the endless Tory factional game and or the bastards as Major called them, but my point is in opposition they would have been putting immense pressure on Labour for it to happen.

There still could still could have been a get the EU ref done election with Labour on the losing side. But as someone who is now gone once said to me : if Ifs and (sic) Ans were pots and pans!

One of the things that makes the alternate history trickier is the question of who'd have succeeded Cameron? Without the successful Leave campaign, Boris would still be a clown - Gove might be the natural successor from the Cameron camp (Gideon might not follow Cameron but he'd also have got a kicking for austerity) but there'd be a contingent that would consider the whole cuddlier Tories a failed endeavour, and they might get a monster through - it might still be May! Jesus, imagine 5 years of the Tories kicking the shit out of each other?

Miliband Labour would have been put under intense scrutiny by our lol Free Press and the BBC. That dogwhistle attack by the Sun would have just been a warm up.

Charlie Elphicke's going to jail, doo-dah, doo dah!

"an" = achaic word for "if"

An it harm none, do what ye will

so this person who is now gone (bcz also archaic?) was right not wrong

thanks for that Mark - I was doing them a disservice!

Osborne was always meant to be Cameron’s successor, Gove wasn’t a Cameronite, he was the price of satiating Murdoch.

Meant to be in their heads, sure, but after a Blair-Brown transfer not an election loss, I'd have thought.

Charlie Elphicke applied for legal aid and it was refused. He owes his estranged wife Natalie £100,000 which she loaned him for legal fees, he owes more than that to his lawyers.

His family home in Kent is being sold, with £400,000 equity to be split by divorcing couple

— Tristan Kirk (@kirkkorner) September 15, 2020

I'm sure he'll still be fine when he gets out of jail next year, probably have a cushy job waiting for him as soon as he's out of the gates

Ebbsfleet coronavirus testing centre in Kent closed to make way for lorry park for post-Brexit customs checkshttps://t.co/YqKcR0inGQ

— BBC Politics (@BBCPolitics) September 15, 2020

That is beautiful.

The Tories know their people.

this fucking country

Anticipating the story about clearing that lorry park to make way for the coffins

lol like they'd let mass death get in the way of commerce

Very clear the stats for cases are going to get suppressed which will enable the govt to avoid a 2/3 week lockdown for as long as possible.

To follow up, here's the letter we've sent to @BorisJohnson. We don't need a 'moonshot', just ability for residents to access a test locally, while national system was a mess & not everyone knew they could walk in, stopping it without warning is a scandal. https://t.co/V2MZfFo6Gk pic.twitter.com/bHlmND3HZg

— Mayor of Hackney (@mayorofhackney) September 14, 2020

Charlie Elphicke applied for legal aid and it was refused. He owes his estranged wife Natalie £100,000 which she loaned him for legal fees, he owes more than that to his lawyers.

His family home in Kent is being sold, with £400,000 equity to be split by divorcing couple

Poetic justice after he consistently voted to restrict and reduce legal aid. It would be funny if it wasn't destroying innocent lives.

gang of at least a dozen hanging in the little park by me just now, got a good mind to report them to Ed Mili

mrs g’s cousin has just reported on fb that her son’s primary school is closed until the 24th because every teacher has the rona

great work everyone

Saw a weird clip of Patel seeming to claim the rule of six would do nothing to prevent infections but that she'd narc people out anyway.

I mean that's vmic

"The daily number of coronavirus cases has risen above 3,000 again. Today’s count is 3,105, up from 2,621 yesterday. Today’s total is lower than was recorded at the end of last week, but it is still only the fourth time the daily total has been above 3,000 since the end of May. The recent trend - a sharp increase - is being maintained."

And given many can't get a test..

Was completely impossible for me to get a test when I checked last night, and I'm in suburban London

“My worry is that we’ve demonstrated that a better world is possible” says senior Tory pic.twitter.com/MKzbW3gi1Y

— Ollie (@O_lloyd) September 15, 2020

this fucking country

lol who could have seen this coming

Care home firm that sacked MP for raising PPE fears admits it did have shortagehttps://t.co/pvYOsQMOi0 pic.twitter.com/VzNfL5BUl6

— Mirror Politics (@MirrorPolitics) September 15, 2020

Grenfell files ‘lost forever’ after laptop wiped, inquiry hearshttps://t.co/RBKJnizXtg

— ITV London (@itvlondon) September 14, 2020

That sounds like it's nothing to do with the wiping of the laptop and everything to do with crucial files no longer being on the server where they were supposed to be.

Nice double punch of nothing matters there.

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are we waiting until bj gets covid a second time

i mean god willing but

a new thread? but literally nothing matters

Reference the six or nothing truly matters

Forensix Oppostion

^

Quite sobering to realise I was literally travelling home from work that day from our office and haven’t been back since.

ForenSix Opposition - Politics in the Soon To Be Former UK in Autumn 2020