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interesting, these sound like real flaws! i'm surprised it hasn't hurt the brand more.

bogo jumbo boba (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 13 September 2020 15:08 (three years ago) link

I've got a Linn LP12 but it's currently out of action because there is a loose connection in the wires connecting the cartridge to the tonearm. I think I'm going to have to take it to a shop because I have no idea how to fix this or even where to get replacement wires from. this is probably going to cost a lot of money isn't it?

CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Sunday, 13 September 2020 17:03 (three years ago) link

These are the short headshell leads? You can buy some for $10 on amazon. Take a picture of the current connections and match it. You might have to realign the cartridge after if you move it.

bogo jumbo boba (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 13 September 2020 19:11 (three years ago) link

might also be able to squeeze the loose connector with some tweezers before slipping it back on

bogo jumbo boba (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 13 September 2020 19:14 (three years ago) link

My wife just picked up a Pioneer PL400 off the curb in our neighborhood and it needs a new stylus. Is there a good online store for replacement parts like this or should I just get an entire new cartridge?

Heez, Monday, 14 September 2020 19:15 (three years ago) link

Woah, they look beautiful. I got a bargain PL12D earlier this year and I just love it. Pioneer for the win.

Just a few slices of apple, Servant. Thank you. How delicious. (stevie), Monday, 14 September 2020 20:27 (three years ago) link

xp you might try turntablelab.com or lpgear.com

maybe worth seeing if a local retailer is a pfanstiehl dealer, which in my experience is a great deal cheaper

depending on the cartridge it might be easier just to buy a brand new entry-level headshell / cartridge combo, in which case you could just plug it in / screw it on and go

budo jeru, Monday, 14 September 2020 20:51 (three years ago) link

thanks, found one on lpgear that looked nice enough.

Heez, Monday, 14 September 2020 21:09 (three years ago) link

Reviews on the pfanstiehl stuff are mixed. My experiences with Tonar have been uh not good. Jico, however, has come through for me in a big way, and I’m glad to buy styli from them for any carts I can’t find OEM styli for.

The little engine that choogled (hardcore dilettante), Tuesday, 15 September 2020 04:39 (three years ago) link

finally replaced the headshell on my table and holy shit I can't believe how much better everything sounds now

frogbs, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 15:00 (three years ago) link

headshell and cartridge?

bogo jumbo boba (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 16:03 (three years ago) link

yeah both. I had one that I used for a year, bought cheap cuz my kids broke 2 already. but now that they finally understand that ONLY DADDY TOUCHES THE NEEDLE I don't have that problem anymore. another thing I'm curious about is which setting to use on my receiver. I can't use PHONO because my turntable has an amp so it sounds like blown out garbage. AUX is pretty good, but it can't handle noisier records well (such as Dan Deacon's Bromst). I have it set to TAPE MON now and it sounds pretty good. idk if that's ideal though.

frogbs, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 16:25 (three years ago) link

I think AUX and TAPE MON are likely the same in terms of level

bogo jumbo boba (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 16:32 (three years ago) link

I've been A/B testing them and in most instances they're the same but AUX seems to flatten the noisier/busier sections. I think there might be some built-in volume adjustment there, with AUX it seems to like to crank up any quiet bits to the point where they're louder than the parts that are supposed to be loud (for example Faust's "Just a Second" - the weird electronic bits in the second half are notably louder than the guitar jam in the first). Maybe this causes strange things to happen when listening to records that are a bit more nuts. As a side note Dan Deacon is a hell of a test for a new speaker set up

As for the new headshell/cart...one thing I was noticing on the old one was that the cymbals & hi-hats didn't sound crisp which I've heard is a sign your needle is going. I'd guess I've used it for around 400 hours which I think is about the lifespan of a cheap one?

frogbs, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 16:42 (three years ago) link

is there a way to turn off the phono stage built into your turntable? I had a Sony one with a built in phono stage and the switch was somewhere fiddly, like under the platter mat

umsworth (emsworth), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 20:33 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

About four years ago I splurged on a Speed Box S for my Pro-Ject Debut III so I wouldn't have to lift the platter every time I wanted to switch from 33 to 45. Recently after I moved turntable and Speed Box from one shelf to another, the Speed Box stopped working. It powers on when not connected to the turntable, but when connected the lights flash briefly and then nothing happens. The turntable is switched on as appropriate and works fine with its own power supply. I thought the problem might be a short in the tiny cable that connects Speed Box to turntable, but a replacement cable made no difference.

I don't want to go back to switching the platter all the time, yet I cringe at the thought of buying another $150 thing just so I won't have to. Any suggestions?

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Saturday, 15 January 2022 01:18 (two years ago) link

Scrap the pro-ject & buy a TT with a speed selector like every TT since the end of WWII has had?

war mice (hardcore dilettante), Saturday, 15 January 2022 04:45 (two years ago) link

I don't have any experience with this component, but a search confirmed that others have had issues. Checking the cable was a reasonable thing to do. In most cases, some of the components in the box are fried. If you don't have a warranty or anything else to worry about voiding, I'd open the case and look for obvious signs of overheating. Perhaps, it failed in a somewhat graceful manner and can be fixed.

If you can't fix it, maybe it is a good time to sell the pro-ject and get something with the integrated speed selector. It's a bummer that the box failed, and I hope you find a solution.

Ssäm Sauce | Martha Stewart (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 15 January 2022 06:51 (two years ago) link

Sufjan as always with a more empathetic and sensible response.

war mice (hardcore dilettante), Saturday, 15 January 2022 07:37 (two years ago) link

Lack of push button speed change sadly very common in mid to high end belt drive TTs. Used to have take the platter off my old Systemdek, same with the current ProJect. My Michell had a free standing motor outside the platter so that was just moving the belt. The idea that a speed switch is an optional extra, or involves buying an expensive DC PSU, is just one of those weird inconveniences that’s become the norm.

Hope the Phono Box lives again.

Michael Jones, Saturday, 15 January 2022 10:25 (two years ago) link

Technological backward steps #onethread

war mice (hardcore dilettante), Saturday, 15 January 2022 16:05 (two years ago) link

maybe try contacting sumiko?

Thus Sang Freud, Saturday, 15 January 2022 18:24 (two years ago) link

Thanks for the replies, even the non-empathetic one. As Michael Jones suggests, the Speed Box seems to have gone into decline since, oh, 9/11. Although the new Debut Carbon Evo actually has a speed button!

I don't think the speed box is covered by warranty, so I'll give a shot at looking inside despite my ineptitude with these things. This hasn't changed much since I was complaining about this turntable upthread 13 years ago -- after the hum issue, I contacted the (now sadly departed) Needle Doctor and they ended up just sending me a replacement, which is the one I have now.

eatandoph (Neue Jesse Schule), Saturday, 15 January 2022 20:49 (two years ago) link

four months pass...

Hi, I received a SL-1500c for my birthday. It’s awesome. What do I need to get good quality rips of my rare dance music vinyl? What cartridge? Amp? Pre-amp? I don’t know anything!

Allen (etaeoe), Saturday, 11 June 2022 15:53 (one year ago) link

Does it have a cartridge on it already? I'd start with the minimal setup and upgrade from there. The sl-1500c has a built in pre-amp if you plug into the "line out" ports. You can buy a 2-channel usb audio interface that takes RCAs as input, download audacity, and you are in business.

Herby Dutch Baby (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 11 June 2022 16:53 (one year ago) link

If you want to upgrade, I'd guess the best place is at the usb audio interface. The nicer ones will have separate gain on the 2 channels and 1/4"/XLR inputs. I'd focus on obtaining a low noise capture. You can add equalization after capture if needed. But if you'd rather plug in external stuff that gives you a sound you like, that would indeed be convenient. So you might look at swapping phono pre-amp and cartridge.

Herby Dutch Baby (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 11 June 2022 17:02 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

hoping ILX's home audio hivemind can help me out here. i'm trying to set up a record player with a preamp/receiver to speakers. i'm using the following equipment:

- technics 1200-sl mk2 turntable
- bellari PA550 phono preamp
- onkyo tx-8220 stereo receiver
- audioengine hdp6 passive speakers

the turntable was purchased used off ebay, everything else is brand new. i have everything connected but can't get any sound to come out of the speakers.

- when i plug headphones into the preamp i can hear sound in the left channel, but not the right.
- when i plug headphones into the receiver, it's the same except it's far more faint, like i basically have to turn the volume on the receiver all the way up in order to hear it at a normal volume.
- the ground wire from the turntable to the preamp is bare and attached to the preamp's grounding post. the RCA cables from the turntable are going into the PHONO plugs in the preamp, the RCA cables are going from the preamp's OUTPUT to the LINE function in the receiver, and the speakers are attached to the receiver with banana plugs.

am i doing something wrong or do i possibly have a defective part somewhere? my feeling is something could up with the ground wire from the turntable to the preamp but i have no idea why no sound's coming from the speakers.

donna rouge, Saturday, 17 September 2022 18:43 (one year ago) link

how is the sound for CD, radio, AUX?

budo jeru, Saturday, 17 September 2022 18:46 (one year ago) link

i think you should start by plugging your 1200 directly into the PHONO jacks on the onkyo and see how it sounds.

budo jeru, Saturday, 17 September 2022 18:50 (one year ago) link

Does that receiver have A and B speaker inputs? If so make sure you have the right one selected.

mizzell, Saturday, 17 September 2022 19:47 (one year ago) link

If something was up with the ground wire it would most like just produce a hum or buzz. It wouldn’t stop sound being produced.

mizzell, Saturday, 17 September 2022 19:48 (one year ago) link

i would definitely start with budo jeru’s suggestion of plugging the technics directly into the phono input on the onkyo.

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 17 September 2022 23:13 (one year ago) link

Yes, bad preamp most likely

Sufjan Grafton, Saturday, 17 September 2022 23:25 (one year ago) link

update: followed budo's suggestion and plugged the RCA cables directly into the receiver, and it definitely sounds much better now. the bare wire on my turntable is really short so we had to electrical tape some additional antenna wire that we had lying around to get it to reach the receiver. as for the speaker issue, i think i just had the cables in the wrong outputs - played around with it and it now sounds pristine. thanks y'all :)

donna rouge, Saturday, 17 September 2022 23:25 (one year ago) link

also uh anyone need a preamp lol

donna rouge, Saturday, 17 September 2022 23:38 (one year ago) link

great news! happy listening :)

budo jeru, Sunday, 18 September 2022 00:08 (one year ago) link

can you return the preamp? and happy listening!

assert (matttkkkk), Sunday, 18 September 2022 01:32 (one year ago) link

The other thing to check is if the preamp and the receiver both have volume controls, make sure the volume on the preamp isn’t all the way down. Usually you would have the receiver volume at max and just use the preamp to control the volume.

Abel Ferrara hard-sci-fi elevator pitch (PBKR), Sunday, 18 September 2022 01:42 (one year ago) link

I would probably put the preamp near max, or match volume with other line inputs, and control volume from receiver which likely has a remote.

Sufjan Grafton, Sunday, 18 September 2022 01:54 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

Any thoughts on the differences between Pro-ject's Primary E (£149), A1 (£269), E1 (£269) and T1 (£299)? Or anything else that's going to be £300 tops?

I have an ONKYO A9010 amp and B&W DM601 S2 speakers, if that makes any difference?

djh, Friday, 23 December 2022 20:04 (one year ago) link

Must admit I can't even decide between one where you have to lift up the turntable and manually change the RPM or one with a switch!

(Also, moving to the top of the posts ahead of the sales starting tomorrow!)

djh, Sunday, 25 December 2022 19:10 (one year ago) link

well if it matters, supposedly the ones with the switch have *slightly* worse sound quality since there are more moving parts, that's the logic of the manual belt. I have a manual one (Music Hall MMF-5) and switching has never bothered me, I play a fair amount of 45 rpm stuff too

sleeve, Sunday, 25 December 2022 19:17 (one year ago) link

in my exciting TT news, my Music Hall has developed a ground hum that I can't get rid of. Good times. my next step is gonna be an old electrician trick of using a 3-prong plug that has hot and neutral stripped, so just a ground plug, and running the ground directly to that. But my fear is that it's in the cartridge somehow (already tried swapping needles). It's 16 years old and has seen tons of use, so...

sleeve, Sunday, 25 December 2022 19:19 (one year ago) link

Ta, sleeve.

djh, Sunday, 25 December 2022 20:53 (one year ago) link

I have a Rega and at some point I won't. It isn't the quietest turntable and has intermittent hum issues - probably because they don't use a ground wire like every other turntable in the world.

The Bankruptcy of the Planet of the Apes (PBKR), Sunday, 25 December 2022 21:35 (one year ago) link

Ah, the Rega Planar 1 was the other one I had pondered.

I have no idea what can just be connected to my amp or whether I'd need a pre-amp??

djh, Sunday, 25 December 2022 21:54 (one year ago) link

Does your amp have a “phono” input? If not you’d be looking for “built in preamp” or “line level output”on the specs of the TT. Otherwise it’s preamp time.
By the way you can use a secondhand amp with a phono input and e.g. tape output as an inexpensive pre.

assert (matttkkkk), Sunday, 25 December 2022 21:59 (one year ago) link

if you don't know whether you need a phono preamp or not, i'd get either the A1 or the E1 with phono preamp, seems like best bang for the buck. you probably don't need to worry about the T1.

, Sunday, 25 December 2022 22:15 (one year ago) link

Thanks - yes, it does have a phono input.

djh, Sunday, 25 December 2022 22:43 (one year ago) link

I've had a Rega p1 for years, I have not personally had any hum or ground issues, been a champ

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 25 December 2022 23:52 (one year ago) link


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