Is the Guardian worse than it used to be?

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It remains unusually bad and nonsensical that ZW is writing about missing the office, on behalf of people not in the office, when she didn't work in the office anyway.

the pinefox, Monday, 7 September 2020 16:21 (three years ago) link

The Guardian can't be all bad if it cites beloved ILXors:

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/sep/07/beethoven-was-black-why-the-radical-idea-still-has-power-today

pomenitul, Monday, 7 September 2020 20:25 (three years ago) link

Citing mark s is good not bad, but it’s the exception that proves the rule.

scampo italiano (gyac), Monday, 7 September 2020 20:53 (three years ago) link

This:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/sep/05/michel-faber-i-dont-read-fiction-any-more

Sad when it gets to his wife but I don't know how someone who seems to find getting through a book a chore ends up reviewing the stuff.

Of course you can pretty much get a handle on a book while you've read quite a lot of it, but this culture is so crazy around forming an opinion after you've finished something..

"You really don’t read fiction?
I used to review for the Guardian, partly to force myself to read a book from beginning to end: my usual practice from when I was 18 onwards was to just read maybe 15 pages [of a novel] to get a sense of how the author handled nuts-and-boltsy things like pace and description. Eventually I did think it was important, sometimes, to read the whole book, and [reviewing was] handy in that sense. Then when my wife, Eva, died… she was a great reader of fiction. She would read the books I was reviewing and we would talk about them. When that side of my life went, there didn’t seem any point any more."

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 8 September 2020 12:56 (three years ago) link

An author who isn't a reader seems like a contradiction but then The Book of Strange New Things is one of the worst novels I've ever read so perhaps in his case it's not so surprising.

neith moon (ledge), Tuesday, 8 September 2020 13:07 (three years ago) link

I on the other hand read a lot and can't write a decent sentence.

neith moon (ledge), Tuesday, 8 September 2020 13:08 (three years ago) link

Yeah never mind actually writing the stuff. There was one twitter thread that was asking something like "do you have to be a reader to write?". I tried to forget it as soon as I saw it.

From what he is saying Faber got some mechanics out of it. That's perhaps a good angle to review something if you've assimilated an idea of correct technique and judged a book using that. Interested in how he landed the job in the first place.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 8 September 2020 13:41 (three years ago) link

ZW keeps going.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/08/brexit-opposition-government-decline-politics-division

Isn't this the reverse of what she, and many other anti-Brexit people, said from 2016-2019?

In ZW's particular case I don't think that was from reactionary hatred of JC. But from many other people, who are also now keenly accepting Brexit, it was.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 8 September 2020 14:00 (three years ago) link

the likes of ZW and these Remainiac pricks got exactly what they wanted and it wasn't stopping brexit, it was thwarting the last chance we had for a centre-left govt for a generation. Because in the final analysis they are a bunch of m/c tory cunts no less. Sorry for the classism .. not all etc.

calzino, Tuesday, 8 September 2020 14:10 (three years ago) link

I mean Corbz/McD probably made enough bad decisions to doom "the project" themselves but the amount of energy these bullshit melts spent chipping away at them for years probably played its own part.

calzino, Tuesday, 8 September 2020 14:19 (three years ago) link

ZW was on radio 4 this morning being consulted as an expert on um i dunno work or life or something?

Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 8 September 2020 14:23 (three years ago) link

People being meaner to each other and more judgmental these days.

Madchen, Tuesday, 8 September 2020 14:46 (three years ago) link

oh yes, she saw someone looking angry getting out of an uber.

Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 8 September 2020 14:51 (three years ago) link

can't believe as the hated United Kingdom reaches its long overdue death and millions more people are thrown into abject poverty while naked bigotry and hatred is openly celebrated across the media that people are being meaner and more judgemental

A Short Film About Scampoes (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 8 September 2020 14:53 (three years ago) link

if people had only been kinder and less judgemental to fascists in the 1930s

A Short Film About Scampoes (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 8 September 2020 14:55 (three years ago) link

apparently the "eat out to help out" scheme also meant that coarse working class people were going to restaurants and talking too loudly.

Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 8 September 2020 14:57 (three years ago) link

What was Zoe doing in a Spoons?

A Short Film About Scampoes (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 8 September 2020 14:59 (three years ago) link

Please replace all the ppl we hate with this

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/08/robot-wrote-this-article-gpt-3

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 8 September 2020 15:05 (three years ago) link

An old friend who writes about poker and horse racing said he lost some work at Betfair to AI.

calzino, Tuesday, 8 September 2020 15:12 (three years ago) link

GPT3 is better than most Graun columnists tbfttai

A Short Film About Scampoes (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 8 September 2020 15:13 (three years ago) link

https://twitter.com/TheTrashiesUK/status/1303359484430082055?s=20

ffs!

calzino, Tuesday, 8 September 2020 15:54 (three years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhZ2aGHWAAAH-Oh?format=jpg&name=medium

calzino, Tuesday, 8 September 2020 15:54 (three years ago) link

Were there *any* Remain organisations in 2016-19 that weren't an astroturfed, anti-socialist con? https://t.co/FhJHOtjuIg

— Juliet. (@zinovievletter) September 8, 2020



Here's looking at you Zoe

calzino, Tuesday, 8 September 2020 16:06 (three years ago) link

some of them were pretty spontaneous and sincere, the liberal middle classes were happy to embarrass themselves without particularly engaging in or being led astray by all this backstage chicanery. it ends up looking like a conspiracy anyway when they have no real interest in noticing or opposing it either

... (Left), Tuesday, 8 September 2020 17:54 (three years ago) link

some were even vaguely anti racist before the guardian/cameron crowd totally swamped them

... (Left), Tuesday, 8 September 2020 17:59 (three years ago) link

I assume robots would be more consistent.

“This attempt to rewrite history is beneath you.” pic.twitter.com/mpyXy75IDR

— The Trashies (@TheTrashiesUK) September 8, 2020

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 10:29 (three years ago) link

I suppose a funny thing about ZW, writing all these supposedly insightful and practical articles about what politicians should do, is -- she has never been a politician. She wouldn't really have a clue how to do any of it in reality.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 11:21 (three years ago) link

To quote Dr Johnson, I've never been a carpenter but I know a wonky table when I see one

A Short Film About Scampoes (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 11:41 (three years ago) link

I would distinguish between

a) values - we don't need to be politicians to see the government is evil
b) strategies - I don't feel able to advise politicians on how to defeat the government.

I think we can all do a) but ZW falsely assumes that she can do b) as well.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 15:22 (three years ago) link

This terrible tweet worth it for the responses.

The latest genre of sub-tweeting seems to be "Lady! Office is mysterious space! Must work full time in one to understand one! Going into one probably once a week not count! Full mystery only understood by me, super understandy man!" https://t.co/RnwqObkHZa

— (((Zoe Williams))) (@zoesqwilliams) September 8, 2020

the pinefox, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 15:26 (three years ago) link

if we were going to guess which newspaper might leap to the defence of JK

https://www.theguardian.com/books/booksblog/2020/sep/15/rowling-troubled-blood-thriller-robert-galbraith-review

how do i shot moon? (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 07:38 (three years ago) link

standing shoulder to shoulder with Nick Cohen in the Spectator, always a great place to be

how do i shot moon? (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 07:39 (three years ago) link

I mean so what if this transphobic writer has written a transphobic book? the tropes in there are all familiar from other transphobic books you've read before! idk what all the fuss is about. I have read this book and therefore I am qualified to tell you all that you haven't read it, so you should be quiet and stop making us feel uncomfortably aware of our transphobia.

这是我的显示名称 (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 16 September 2020 08:01 (three years ago) link

The grotesque pretence that You Can't Say This Sort Of Thing In The Guardian Anymore, when for twenty-five years The Guardian has been the house journal of saying This Sort Of Thing. https://t.co/IvqZwQEwQ8

— Elvis Buñuelo (@Mr_Considerate) September 19, 2020

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 19 September 2020 13:33 (three years ago) link

I knew you’d link this. Easily one of the worst people to work for the Guardian.

scampo italiano (gyac), Saturday, 19 September 2020 13:37 (three years ago) link

at least we still get her Woody Allen apologism and thoughts on Jared Kushner's botox in between the transphobic pieces in the "lefty" graun!

calzino, Saturday, 19 September 2020 13:43 (three years ago) link

at least it's not the Telegraph eh?

how do i shot moon? (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 19 September 2020 14:10 (three years ago) link

She’s such an arsehole. She and her incredibly rich family are the only living people I can think of who’ve paid to have their own bench in Holland Park.

santa clause four (suzy), Saturday, 19 September 2020 14:15 (three years ago) link

Lol pvmic

plax (ico), Saturday, 19 September 2020 14:47 (three years ago) link

<3

plax (ico), Saturday, 19 September 2020 14:48 (three years ago) link

Kind of a relief to see Freeman writing for The Spec tbh - get in your lane dingbat

nashwan, Saturday, 19 September 2020 14:54 (three years ago) link

When I click on that Freeman link the page shows a load of 'similar Tweets' (in effect) below and they are things like Kate Hoey, Brexit Party, John Redwood. That's literally the algorithmic company Freeman's keeping now.

I agree with Nashwan, I'd rather see her in the Spectator than getting credibility from publishing anywhere else.

the pinefox, Saturday, 19 September 2020 15:04 (three years ago) link

Christ, her actual article is even worse than I expected - it's a 'diary column' or something.

It states: 'I am an innate people-pleaser'.

the pinefox, Saturday, 19 September 2020 15:07 (three years ago) link

Toynbee is back on the 'Labour patriotism' sauce https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/22/starmer-challenge-defeat-tories-patriotism-labour

plax (ico), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 06:58 (three years ago) link

Slightly more voters trust Labour on Covid than don’t trust them, but the pandemic should be long over by the next election in 2024.

Did anyone else get a horrible sinking feeling reading this coming from Toynbee?

Matt DC, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 07:12 (three years ago) link

https://i.redd.it/h6mnve5xce651.png

cherry blossom, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 07:26 (three years ago) link

i have a plan for resolving that problem

1000 Scampo DJs (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 4 October 2020 18:54 (three years ago) link


I don’t like to see anyone until I’m on my second cup. My flatmate, one of the great loves of my life, says that nobody has ever hated her the way I hate her in the first half-hour of the day.
I fell in love with her in a kitchen, too: my old kitchen, 4am, fluorescent fridge-light, her eating cold leftovers, me pouring boiling water on to a pair of teabags. We were both sort of despairing in those days, and though we had known each other for a long time it was in that kitchen that I knew for sure that I loved her completely. I have never had a kitchen I didn’t fall in love in; I never want to.


Literally closed the tab, I’m too young to waste my life reading this shit.

seumas milm (gyac), Sunday, 4 October 2020 18:55 (three years ago) link


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