I trust three or four ILM threads, one or two Facebook groups, a few friends, and the odd Bandcamp recommendation.
― The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 21:57 (three years ago) link
i trust in the Lord
― Neanderthal, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 21:59 (three years ago) link
xp to Sund4r - that makes the decision seem a lot easier
― tangenttangent, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 21:59 (three years ago) link
https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1327213646l/8668908.jpg
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 22:00 (three years ago) link
Pop critics fete Carly Rae Jepsen and Charli XCX albums while the world is listening to Drake, Post Malone, and Ed Sheeran.
Who is the best judge of what the best pop is? is it the pop buying public?
― Oor Neechy, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 22:01 (three years ago) link
the best pop is by the Pope
― Neanderthal, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 22:02 (three years ago) link
I'll take CRJ and Charli XCX over the other doofuses so it's a clear-cut choice for me in this instance, even though, to echo Sund4r, I'd also be on the losing end.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 22:03 (three years ago) link
Post Malone's Nirvana covers were pretty good.
― The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 22:11 (three years ago) link
ilx poptimism def always preferred pop that wasn't that popular
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 22:13 (three years ago) link
Charli XCX is our queen
― imago, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 22:22 (three years ago) link
Britney was the one shining moment where the two converged, like two carts of manure colliding in the night.xp
― The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 22:25 (three years ago) link
Anyone with an opinion is essentially a critic - either can be insightful or ignorant but at least professional critics are obligated to hear virtually everything and know something about what they're talking about.
― birdistheword, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 22:31 (three years ago) link
Britney was the one shining moment where the two converged, like two carts of manure colliding in the night.
Beautiful. I salute you.
I do think 'Toxic' is fine for what it is, but the rest of her music has always sounded like this to me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM8XdUNhNmU
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 22:34 (three years ago) link
Scratch that, this is in fact the best conceivable 'Toxic' cover of all.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 22:35 (three years ago) link
oh shit is that the new iwrestledabearonce?
― Neanderthal, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 22:36 (three years ago) link
name them
― erratic wolf angular guitarist (sic), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 22:42 (three years ago) link
boy after the way this year's gone, i can't trust anybody.
anymore it's just friends, you guys here, and. . . that's it, honestly.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 22:50 (three years ago) link
the music buying public for me means people's real connection to music, not as filtered through adverts, lifestyle journalism, etc. but as something that genuinely gives them joy. As far as opinions go, that's the only standard you can trust. I don't look to music critics for their superior opinions, just good writing.
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 23:11 (three years ago) link
Name whom? Critics who praise Carly Rae Jepsen? She had the #3 album in the 2015 Pazz & Jop critics' poll. You can see a list of critics who voted for it halfway down this page: http://furia.com/pjs/artist_8041.html
These are some publications that ranked it among the best of that year: https://www.yearendlists.com/albums/e-mo-tion-bfe6088b-f7c7-4ee8-8e75-d8e5084fed45
Or did you mean more recently? Here are some critical rankings for Dedicated from 2019: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dedicated_(Carly_Rae_Jepsen_album)#Critical_reception
― The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 23:11 (three years ago) link
name everyone in the world
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 23:19 (three years ago) link
I don't trust either of their opinions. But my tastes are more in line with critics than the public at large, so I'm more apt to check out something that is getting critical buzz than something tearing up the charts.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 23:20 (three years ago) link
you don't really have to trust critics now, if you read a review and it sounds kinda cool you can check it out instantly and decide for yourself
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 23:23 (three years ago) link
i can't listen to an album until I already know exactly how I'm supposed to feel about it the moment I put it on
― Neanderthal, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 23:25 (three years ago) link
Its all about sharing the cultural moment innit
― Oor Neechy, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 23:38 (three years ago) link
Right, exactly ums. If a critic's description intrigues me I give it a quick listen. Same thing with popular stuff, really, tho usually I'm not motivated to give anything a listen til critics are fawning over it.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 23:42 (three years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/alN1kkK.jpg
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 23:44 (three years ago) link
250 Coastal Elite Media People/Carly Rae Jepsen Fans Can Be Wrong
― Thoia Thoing, Maryland (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 3 September 2020 00:11 (three years ago) link
Stephen Bush also has Post Malone on his ballot.
Alex Ostroff also has Drake on his ballot.
Laur Jackson also had Drake on that ballot, and here she is going long on him:https://www.theawl.com/2016/01/drakes-playground/
Renato Pagnani had Drake on his ballot twice, and had earlier named him as his #1 of 2013:https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/192-my-year-in-music-renato-pagnani/
I bet clicking on some more would further dispel the alleged division, but I'm going to scrub a bathtub.
― erratic wolf angular guitarist (sic), Thursday, 3 September 2020 00:17 (three years ago) link
Idk what point you're making? Seems pretty empirically evident that there are critically celebrated 'pop' artists whose actual popularity is dwarfed by that of other artists who receive a lower level of critical acclaim. Pointing out that there are individual critics who rate both doesn't really disprove that.
― The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Thursday, 3 September 2020 00:38 (three years ago) link
I mean, yeah, this does suggest less acclaim: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beerbongs_%26_Bentleys#Critical_reception . The album didn't even make P&J, nor did the hit single "Rockstar".
― The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Thursday, 3 September 2020 00:45 (three years ago) link
Critics who fete modern symphonic composers or avant-garde and noise artists probably aren't praising Ed Sheeran and Post Malone either, but starting a thread to say so wouldn't tell us anything about any of the musicians in questions, or their work
― erratic wolf angular guitarist (sic), Thursday, 3 September 2020 01:47 (three years ago) link
but they’re... comparing pop artists to pop artists, and their respective critical reception
― “Pizza House!” (morrisp), Thursday, 3 September 2020 02:12 (three years ago) link
Does anyone here listen to Carly Rae Jepsen regularly because of her sustained critical praise, or eschew Post Malone because of his lack of same, or listen extensively to Drake despite disliking his music because of their inherent trust in the wisdom of crowds?
― erratic wolf angular guitarist (sic), Thursday, 3 September 2020 03:01 (three years ago) link
uh, musicians who make music i like and to an extent, professional record collectors.
― Deflatormouse, Thursday, 3 September 2020 03:03 (three years ago) link
i only trust tim gane, basically.
― Thoia Thoing, Maryland (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, September 2, 2020 5:11 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
new board description?
― josh az (2011nostalgia), Thursday, 3 September 2020 03:07 (three years ago) link
I fully trust my wonderful judgment.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 3 September 2020 03:09 (three years ago) link
Does anyone here listen to Carly Rae Jepsen regularly because of her sustained critical praise, or eschew Post Malone because of his lack of same, or listen extensively to Drake despite disliking his music because of their inherent trust in the wisdom of crowds?I dunno? But the point that some pop artists are more critically praised than they are commercially successful, and vice-versa for others, seems fairly sound.
― “Pizza House!” (morrisp), Thursday, 3 September 2020 03:12 (three years ago) link
Most critics are too narrowly interested in music that is "good" to the exclusion of music that is not "good" but is rewarding or interesting in some other way to be of any use to me.
― Deflatormouse, Thursday, 3 September 2020 03:13 (three years ago) link
I, too, trust your judgment, Ned.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 3 September 2020 03:15 (three years ago) link
I trust pomenitul's judgment of Ned
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 3 September 2020 03:35 (three years ago) link
I dunno? But the point that some pop artists are more critically praised than they are commercially successful, and vice-versa for others, seems fairly sound.
truly, an oddity specific to pop music only, and not to any other forms of music, writing, art, performance, cuisine or athletic performance
― erratic wolf angular guitarist (sic), Thursday, 3 September 2020 03:45 (three years ago) link
So you’ve shifted from arguing that the phenomenon doesn’t exist to that it’s universal? lol
― “Pizza House!” (morrisp), Thursday, 3 September 2020 03:57 (three years ago) link
Fashion shoots with Beck and HansonCourtney Love, and Marilyn MansonYou're all fakesRun to your mansionsCome aroundWe'll kick your ass in
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 3 September 2020 04:07 (three years ago) link
So back to the Motor-League with me before I’m forced to face the wrath of a well-heeled buying public who live vicariously through tortured-artist college-rock and floor-punching macho pabulum
― unpaid intern at the darvo institute (Simon H.), Thursday, 3 September 2020 04:17 (three years ago) link
I just asked Kerr who he was talking about ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
― erratic wolf angular guitarist (sic), Thursday, 3 September 2020 04:17 (three years ago) link
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 23:11 (yesterday) link
The first sentence of this post strikes me as a false dichotomy. All enjoyment is filtered. Just because "the music buying public" don't necessarily appreciate the processes that result in them stumbling upon the the music that "genuinely gives them joy", or which have shaped their taste such that they're in a position to experience "genuine" joy from that particular music, doesn't make their taste less mediated.
Or in other words:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj8mHwvFxMc
― Tim F, Thursday, 3 September 2020 05:28 (three years ago) link
Never trust anyone least of all yourself
― saer, Thursday, 3 September 2020 05:36 (three years ago) link
i would never trust any musician who would allow me to listen to their music
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 3 September 2020 05:42 (three years ago) link
How much is left of the "music buying public", in this era of streaming?
― Siegbran, Thursday, 3 September 2020 07:37 (three years ago) link
tbh I wasn't expecting a re-run of the 99/00 Britney wars when I started this poll.
Also, I think Toxic is the best Britney single imo.
― Oor Neechy, Friday, 4 September 2020 23:54 (three years ago) link
I asked you what you were expecting!
Also, this isn't war.
― The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Saturday, 5 September 2020 03:22 (three years ago) link
Honestly, neither is of much significance to me. People sharing music they dig, word of mouth, record shops/record shop owners and employees I trust, all have mattered a lot more to me than criticism per se or sales.
― Soundslike, Saturday, 5 September 2020 03:49 (three years ago) link
I mean, I don't think Britney is off-topic in a thread on "Pop loving music buying public vs Music writers" where you "want to hear the opinions of actual poptimist critics on whether they are a better authority on pop music than the general public inc kids who buy it", considering she was the core pop figure at the inception of poptimism.
― The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Saturday, 5 September 2020 04:28 (three years ago) link
Can't remember the last time I read a piece of music criticism, so I guess the public by default but some combo of artists sharing artists, friends, ILM threads, etc..
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Saturday, 5 September 2020 04:46 (three years ago) link
Reviews the length of pitchfork reviews et al are way too long for me. I guess some people enjoy reading them as an artform. Give me a quick blurb instead. Otherwise I feel like I'm reading someone's LiveJournal or academic essay.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Saturday, 5 September 2020 05:08 (three years ago) link
I don't see a meaningful difference between what is v popular and critically acclaimed pop.
Look at end of year track lists across the last decade. 'Get Lucky', 'Blurred Lines', 'Trap Queen', 'Work, 'Old Town Road', 'Bad Guy' - big hits, list-toppers (even if some fell out of favour since).
Plenty of examples where most critics and most fans align on what is the best pop, even if other mega-streamed acts are ignored or dismissed by most critics.
― nashwan, Saturday, 5 September 2020 12:44 (three years ago) link
I thought blurred lines was reviled from the off?
― Oor Neechy, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 19:19 (three years ago) link
People who are paid to write about freebies vs. people who fork out their hard-earned cash
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 19:54 (three years ago) link
HI DERE! Has this been resolved yet?
― ABBA O RLY? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 18 September 2020 02:46 (three years ago) link
I already answered the question.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 18 September 2020 02:49 (three years ago) link
#5 single in the 2013 Pazz & Jop: https://www.villagevoice.com/2014/01/15/the-village-voices-pazz-jop-critics-poll-top-10-singles-by-year-1979-2013/
― The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Friday, 18 September 2020 03:25 (three years ago) link
It’s a great single
― Scam Likely (morrisp), Friday, 18 September 2020 03:37 (three years ago) link
That Pazz and Jop Top Ten summary is pretty nice, somehow never saw that.
― ABBA O RLY? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 18 September 2020 03:46 (three years ago) link
At this point, I pretty much only trust algorithms. I've been training Spotify Hipster Boyfriend so long, and so hard, as to what I actually *like*, that he does get his 'made for you' and 'release radar' playlists pretty spot on, usually at least 50% stuff I am genuinely interested in.― Extractor Fan (Branwell with an N), Friday, September 4, 2020 9:41 AM (two weeks ago)
That's the theory, but for every brilliant suggestion fueled by state-of-the-art awesome AI technology, there's five generic no-hopers who bypass all that fancy AI and just buy their way into your 'made for you' and 'release radar', which makes listening to those playlist a mostly tedious experience for me, and it's only getting worse.
― Siegbran, Friday, 18 September 2020 07:28 (three years ago) link
Back when there really were career music critics who could write long, nuanced stuff then they held greatest sway over me. Wasn't until '86 ish that I looked to get a critic's recommendation verified by someone else before buying. These days I will take a personal recommendation over any writers still on the circuit other than maybe Richard Williams and Alex Ross.
― Hidegkuti, Friday, 18 September 2020 12:13 (three years ago) link
xpas far as I can tell, Release Radar is there to give you new releases that involve artists that you are following on Spotify. I happen to follow a huge number of artists in current genres like afropop and dancehall, where people drop new tracks all the time and do lots of features, so I get a handsome 200, mostly* relevant, ones each week, of which a small fraction is carried over from the previous week. (there’s always a few non-relevant releases by artists that share the same name with someone I’m following - no biggie, shit happens).I’m not sure, but I assume that if you’re following a limited number of artists and/or ones that are not in the habit of releasing new material regularly, Spotify fills up your quota with stuff through its algorithms.
― No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Friday, 18 September 2020 16:23 (three years ago) link
Wait, what, 200? I get 30, and don’t think I could handle 200 tbh
― ABBA O RLY? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 18 September 2020 16:26 (three years ago) link
neither can I!
― No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Friday, 18 September 2020 16:36 (three years ago) link
...but do keep in mind that the large majority of these are singles, not multi-track albums
― No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Friday, 18 September 2020 16:38 (three years ago) link
It certainly helps to follow artists, but it also just works off stuff you have merely liked or added to a playlist.
(One problem I have is, I've made a couple of classical playlists - and classical tracks tend to list composer, orchestra, conductor and any soloists in the artist, so you can end up with anything by any of these randos turning up in your suggestions.)
If there's stuff that persistently turns up that you do not want to hear, just keep hitting 'do not play this artist' until they go away. I don't know that the 'buy your way onto playlists' thing actually works that way. I was speaking quite a lot earlier this year, to the management of a band who were trying to push their new album. You can certainly pay to push your stuff higher to people who have already expressed some kind of interest in that band (following, liking, adding to playlists) but targeting people who liked adjacent stuff was surprisingly difficult.
― Grebo Jones (Branwell with an N), Saturday, 19 September 2020 07:50 (three years ago) link
Finally located that Do Not Play button, thanks
― ABBA O RLY? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 19 September 2020 14:07 (three years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Tuesday, 29 September 2020 00:01 (three years ago) link
I VOTED
― Erdős-szám 69 (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 00:02 (three years ago) link
Same. Went with the Critical Establishment in the end, and I already regret it.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 29 September 2020 00:02 (three years ago) link
Shame on you
― Oor Neechy, Tuesday, 29 September 2020 19:29 (three years ago) link
My answer is B and C (And yes, I know there isn't a C)
C = diehard music fans who might as well be critics but don't write
― Everything's Blue In This Whorl (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 29 September 2020 23:28 (three years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Wednesday, 30 September 2020 00:01 (three years ago) link
65 music critics (-1 aka yours truly) can't be wrong.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 30 September 2020 00:07 (three years ago) link
Raymond Cummings otm
― Erdős-szám 69 (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 30 September 2020 00:13 (three years ago) link
― Erdős-szám 69 (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 30 September 2020 00:21 (three years ago) link
so some turkeys dont vote for christmas then
― Oor Neechy, Wednesday, 30 September 2020 13:08 (three years ago) link
One monkey don't stop no show.
― Erdős-szám 69 (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 30 September 2020 13:16 (three years ago) link
Ha ha god bless you.
https://rateyourmusic.com/list/schmidtt/rolling-stones-500-worst-reviews-of-all-time-work-in-progress/13/p
― I Met Mr. Mathis (I M Losted), Tuesday, 2 August 2022 08:33 (one year ago) link
Wow
― My Little Red Buchla (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 2 August 2022 11:16 (one year ago) link