Geogaddi: The Poll

I think the pre TCH stuff now sounds (perhaps unsurprisingly) relatively adolescent (which is obviously not at all a necessarily bad thing in rock n' roll!), While TH is clearly a mature work. I'm glad they've grown up rather than not grown up. TCH I admire more than love most of the time. IABPOITC is... a little but boring aside from Kid For Today which rules.

Err, 'adolescent' doesn't strike me as the right descriptor at all, doubly so when you consider that Michael Sandison was born in 1970 and Marcus Eoin in 1971.

I'm not unaware of their ages, I'm almost exactly the same age as the latter and would happily confess to being relatively adolescent as a ~25 year old compared with how I am now. Neoteny is endemic in much of our generation donchaknow. Nonjudhment. But it's a sense of the art not them as people. It is alittle ironic because of olcoutse they conspicuously play with childhood images and themes. But basically it's a positive regarding the later work.

A great deal of 'IDM' / electeonica in the 90s played heavily with literal juvenilia. These guys came along as elder teens in comparison.

I will accept that literal juvenilia might not be the right term but I think you will know to what it is I refer.

Not sure I agree with any of this tbh – BoC always struck me as having a fully-formed vision from the mid-90s onwards – and when they play with childhood tropes it feels like a young adult's game, quite unlike, say, Animal Collective, who always gave me the sense they'd never truly moved past adolescence.

Young adult / adolescent. I think these are about the same thing here. Particularly as compared with everything they've released from TCH onwards.

Speaking for myself, the shift from teenager to young adult was a quantum leap forward, even in retrospect.

There's by definition further maturing to be done from "young adult". I dunno, this seems like semantics. A young adult's game is unlikely to be a middle aged person's game.

Of course there is, but it’s still a massive step up from the crass immaturity of adolescence as far as I’m concerned. YMMV, I suppose.

I'm not equating adolescence with teenage, or even especially crass immaturity . I'm talking about *relatively* adolescent concerns, attitudes and perspective. And in terms of what's at play in the work rather than people who I don't know obviously.

ugh mature work blegh, do not want

the stuff before geogaddi I just love listening to. the stuff after I don’t. bring on adolescence.

their overall sound got uglier and less pleasant once they got better gear or whatever. and lost character. everything just sounded more and more sterilized, like the synths became a slick VST of whatever they did before. all the haze disappeared.

Vs. artists repeating what they did twenty years ago and becoming progressively less relevant.

This is awfully pseudy but fuckit - earlier I happened to be half listening to a podcast in which they were talking about h4untology and 4ccelerationism and... something about how the preoccupation with a haunted past or the past haunting the present was an intriguing and fun response to perceived stasis but innevitably ran out of steam (so to speak). This tendency that BoC was a cool bellwether for therefore ended, certain headless horsemen still being flogged notwithstanding. So that was culturally a precursor or 'adolescence' if you will for, well, whatever it was that came or is still to come. To BoCs real credit they were quick to recognise this for themselves and take different approaches.

yeah I see what you mean. It’s a catch-22 cliche, right? Repeat yourself and risk diluting the magic, try something new and risk losing the magic.

my hot take is that they stopped enjoying or being excited by making music some time around geogaddi.

Sad to see Campfire still being dismissed 15 years later.

Don't think anyone's dismissing it, just seems to be most people's least favourite.

how did I manage to miss the opening track to their 2001 ATP show? (I somehow thought it was a sound check/intro kinda thing, but it's like their answer to Eno's An Ascent)

https://youtu.be/fjrPpzNeNZ0

(don't read the comments)

one of my friends recently casually mentioned that he saw that show and I was pretty near speechless with envy

their Warp10 set is worth a listen too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGQ6Sp2JuPA

the devil is in the details

Thanks, it is! xp

the gyroscope devil gysroscope is gyroscope in gyroscope the gyroscope. details

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hmmmm

DAWN CHORUS? What even happens in that song?

Plenty. It may be the only track I can easily conjure in my head from the title alone!

Sending a team of lawyers to rescind the count

Yes, this is an irregular result.