They'll never top IABPOITC though; it's revenant.
Good way of putting it!
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 12:51 (three years ago) link
I think the pre TCH stuff now sounds (perhaps unsurprisingly) relatively adolescent (which is obviously not at all a necessarily bad thing in rock n' roll!), While TH is clearly a mature work. I'm glad they've grown up rather than not grown up. TCH I admire more than love most of the time. IABPOITC is... a little but boring aside from Kid For Today which rules.
― grebo shot first (Noel Emits), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 13:16 (three years ago) link
Err, 'adolescent' doesn't strike me as the right descriptor at all, doubly so when you consider that Michael Sandison was born in 1970 and Marcus Eoin in 1971.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 13:19 (three years ago) link
I'm not unaware of their ages, I'm almost exactly the same age as the latter and would happily confess to being relatively adolescent as a ~25 year old compared with how I am now. Neoteny is endemic in much of our generation donchaknow. Nonjudhment. But it's a sense of the art not them as people. It is alittle ironic because of olcoutse they conspicuously play with childhood images and themes. But basically it's a positive regarding the later work.
― grebo shot first (Noel Emits), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 13:25 (three years ago) link
A great deal of 'IDM' / electeonica in the 90s played heavily with literal juvenilia. These guys came along as elder teens in comparison.
― grebo shot first (Noel Emits), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 13:31 (three years ago) link
I will accept that literal juvenilia might not be the right term but I think you will know to what it is I refer.
― grebo shot first (Noel Emits), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 13:38 (three years ago) link
Not sure I agree with any of this tbh – BoC always struck me as having a fully-formed vision from the mid-90s onwards – and when they play with childhood tropes it feels like a young adult's game, quite unlike, say, Animal Collective, who always gave me the sense they'd never truly moved past adolescence.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 13:46 (three years ago) link
Young adult / adolescent. I think these are about the same thing here. Particularly as compared with everything they've released from TCH onwards.
― grebo shot first (Noel Emits), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 13:52 (three years ago) link
Speaking for myself, the shift from teenager to young adult was a quantum leap forward, even in retrospect.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 13:56 (three years ago) link
There's by definition further maturing to be done from "young adult". I dunno, this seems like semantics. A young adult's game is unlikely to be a middle aged person's game.
― grebo shot first (Noel Emits), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 14:04 (three years ago) link
Of course there is, but it’s still a massive step up from the crass immaturity of adolescence as far as I’m concerned. YMMV, I suppose.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 14:06 (three years ago) link
I'm not equating adolescence with teenage, or even especially crass immaturity . I'm talking about *relatively* adolescent concerns, attitudes and perspective. And in terms of what's at play in the work rather than people who I don't know obviously.
― grebo shot first (Noel Emits), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 14:09 (three years ago) link
ugh mature work blegh, do not want
― brimstead, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 17:27 (three years ago) link
the stuff before geogaddi I just love listening to. the stuff after I don’t. bring on adolescence.
― brimstead, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 17:29 (three years ago) link
their overall sound got uglier and less pleasant once they got better gear or whatever. and lost character. everything just sounded more and more sterilized, like the synths became a slick VST of whatever they did before. all the haze disappeared.
― brimstead, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 17:33 (three years ago) link
Vs. artists repeating what they did twenty years ago and becoming progressively less relevant.
This is awfully pseudy but fuckit - earlier I happened to be half listening to a podcast in which they were talking about h4untology and 4ccelerationism and... something about how the preoccupation with a haunted past or the past haunting the present was an intriguing and fun response to perceived stasis but innevitably ran out of steam (so to speak). This tendency that BoC was a cool bellwether for therefore ended, certain headless horsemen still being flogged notwithstanding. So that was culturally a precursor or 'adolescence' if you will for, well, whatever it was that came or is still to come. To BoCs real credit they were quick to recognise this for themselves and take different approaches.
― grebo shot first (Noel Emits), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 17:34 (three years ago) link
yeah I see what you mean. It’s a catch-22 cliche, right? Repeat yourself and risk diluting the magic, try something new and risk losing the magic.
― brimstead, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 18:00 (three years ago) link
my hot take is that they stopped enjoying or being excited by making music some time around geogaddi.
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 18:06 (three years ago) link
Sad to see Campfire still being dismissed 15 years later.
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 3 September 2020 08:20 (three years ago) link
Don't think anyone's dismissing it, just seems to be most people's least favourite.
― chap, Thursday, 3 September 2020 08:51 (three years ago) link
how did I manage to miss the opening track to their 2001 ATP show? (I somehow thought it was a sound check/intro kinda thing, but it's like their answer to Eno's An Ascent)https://youtu.be/fjrPpzNeNZ0
― StanM, Tuesday, 8 September 2020 06:19 (three years ago) link
(don't read the comments)
― StanM, Tuesday, 8 September 2020 06:20 (three years ago) link
one of my friends recently casually mentioned that he saw that show and I was pretty near speechless with envy
― umsworth (emsworth), Tuesday, 8 September 2020 06:25 (three years ago) link
their Warp10 set is worth a listen toohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGQ6Sp2JuPA
― assert (MatthewK), Tuesday, 8 September 2020 06:33 (three years ago) link
the devil is in the details
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 8 September 2020 06:57 (three years ago) link
Thanks, it is! xp
― StanM, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 15:08 (three years ago) link
the gyroscope devil gysroscope is gyroscope in gyroscope the gyroscope. details
― where do all these unsold amps go? (gaudio), Thursday, 15 October 2020 17:41 (three years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Friday, 30 October 2020 00:01 (three years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Saturday, 31 October 2020 00:01 (three years ago) link
hmmmm
― lukas, Saturday, 31 October 2020 00:54 (three years ago) link
DAWN CHORUS? What even happens in that song?
― flappy bird, Monday, 23 November 2020 05:27 (three years ago) link
Plenty. It may be the only track I can easily conjure in my head from the title alone!
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 23 November 2020 05:38 (three years ago) link
Sending a team of lawyers to rescind the count
― assert (MatthewK), Monday, 23 November 2020 08:48 (three years ago) link
Yes, this is an irregular result.
― chap, Monday, 23 November 2020 09:47 (three years ago) link