I agree with it being exhausting. I listened to Hi Scores last night... gawd it’s pretty much perfect
― brimstead, Tuesday, 1 September 2020 17:56 (three years ago) link
it's a whole album of 'deep cuts', so to speak, save for maybe Music Is Maths and 1969, which strike me as the pop singles on here.
agree w that. Kinda feel like I should pick one of the deep cuts within the deep cuts here, but that wouldn't be the track I like the most. Appropriately, the one I do like the most is the one DL thinks sounds like it should be on Campfire Headphase (if I'm understanding him correctly): Dawn Chorus.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 19:44 (three years ago) link
btw feel like it's not really a BOC thread until DL shits on Campfire Headphase lol
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 19:45 (three years ago) link
haha. I really tried to hold off this time
― doorstep jetski (dog latin), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 21:31 (three years ago) link
Not dl, but it's not uppermost in my mind when I think about their finest moments.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 1 September 2020 21:33 (three years ago) link
I once read in an interview that they purposefully created Campfire Headphase as a positive, untroubled listening experience- a place to go when you need to inhabit a restorative space for a while
in that spirit I certainly thrashed it during a time in my life when I was coming home from work stressed and unhappy - there are times when I want the dread & darkness of Geogaddi or Tomorrow's Harvest but not always
― umsworth (emsworth), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 22:38 (three years ago) link
The relative ambiguity of Music Has the Right to Children suited them best.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 1 September 2020 22:39 (three years ago) link
still feel Tomorrow's Harvest is their masterpiece LP
IABPOITC probably my favourite release of theirs, but I'd gladly listen to any of their albums or EPs at the right moment - I don't consider any of them weak
― umsworth (emsworth), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 22:45 (three years ago) link
PS I don't quite know how to describe this feeling but the idea that BOC might one day release new music somehow BLOWS MY MIND like nothing else in my music fandom? it would be like a new Syd Barrett LP or something.
― umsworth (emsworth), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 22:49 (three years ago) link
Take heart, The Symbol Remains will be out next month.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 1 September 2020 22:50 (three years ago) link
correct take
― Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 00:04 (three years ago) link
i also feel that way but this was my favorite before it came out
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 00:18 (three years ago) link
― pomenitul, Wednesday, September 2, 2020 12:50 AM (eight hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
lol.
Not shitting on it but Campfire Headphase is def the weakest of the bunch for me, too. The others are still in fairly regular rotation. They'll never top IABPOITC though; it's revenant.
― Monte Scampino (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 07:23 (three years ago) link
Geogaddi is the first of theirs I got into and probably remains my favourite, though MHTRTC and Harvest are of equal quality.
― chap, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 09:59 (three years ago) link
They'll never top IABPOITC though; it's revenant.
Good way of putting it!
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 12:51 (three years ago) link
I think the pre TCH stuff now sounds (perhaps unsurprisingly) relatively adolescent (which is obviously not at all a necessarily bad thing in rock n' roll!), While TH is clearly a mature work. I'm glad they've grown up rather than not grown up. TCH I admire more than love most of the time. IABPOITC is... a little but boring aside from Kid For Today which rules.
― grebo shot first (Noel Emits), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 13:16 (three years ago) link
Err, 'adolescent' doesn't strike me as the right descriptor at all, doubly so when you consider that Michael Sandison was born in 1970 and Marcus Eoin in 1971.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 13:19 (three years ago) link
I'm not unaware of their ages, I'm almost exactly the same age as the latter and would happily confess to being relatively adolescent as a ~25 year old compared with how I am now. Neoteny is endemic in much of our generation donchaknow. Nonjudhment. But it's a sense of the art not them as people. It is alittle ironic because of olcoutse they conspicuously play with childhood images and themes. But basically it's a positive regarding the later work.
― grebo shot first (Noel Emits), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 13:25 (three years ago) link
A great deal of 'IDM' / electeonica in the 90s played heavily with literal juvenilia. These guys came along as elder teens in comparison.
― grebo shot first (Noel Emits), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 13:31 (three years ago) link
I will accept that literal juvenilia might not be the right term but I think you will know to what it is I refer.
― grebo shot first (Noel Emits), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 13:38 (three years ago) link
Not sure I agree with any of this tbh – BoC always struck me as having a fully-formed vision from the mid-90s onwards – and when they play with childhood tropes it feels like a young adult's game, quite unlike, say, Animal Collective, who always gave me the sense they'd never truly moved past adolescence.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 13:46 (three years ago) link
Young adult / adolescent. I think these are about the same thing here. Particularly as compared with everything they've released from TCH onwards.
― grebo shot first (Noel Emits), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 13:52 (three years ago) link
Speaking for myself, the shift from teenager to young adult was a quantum leap forward, even in retrospect.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 13:56 (three years ago) link
There's by definition further maturing to be done from "young adult". I dunno, this seems like semantics. A young adult's game is unlikely to be a middle aged person's game.
― grebo shot first (Noel Emits), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 14:04 (three years ago) link
Of course there is, but it’s still a massive step up from the crass immaturity of adolescence as far as I’m concerned. YMMV, I suppose.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 14:06 (three years ago) link
I'm not equating adolescence with teenage, or even especially crass immaturity . I'm talking about *relatively* adolescent concerns, attitudes and perspective. And in terms of what's at play in the work rather than people who I don't know obviously.
― grebo shot first (Noel Emits), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 14:09 (three years ago) link
ugh mature work blegh, do not want
― brimstead, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 17:27 (three years ago) link
the stuff before geogaddi I just love listening to. the stuff after I don’t. bring on adolescence.
― brimstead, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 17:29 (three years ago) link
their overall sound got uglier and less pleasant once they got better gear or whatever. and lost character. everything just sounded more and more sterilized, like the synths became a slick VST of whatever they did before. all the haze disappeared.
― brimstead, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 17:33 (three years ago) link
Vs. artists repeating what they did twenty years ago and becoming progressively less relevant.
This is awfully pseudy but fuckit - earlier I happened to be half listening to a podcast in which they were talking about h4untology and 4ccelerationism and... something about how the preoccupation with a haunted past or the past haunting the present was an intriguing and fun response to perceived stasis but innevitably ran out of steam (so to speak). This tendency that BoC was a cool bellwether for therefore ended, certain headless horsemen still being flogged notwithstanding. So that was culturally a precursor or 'adolescence' if you will for, well, whatever it was that came or is still to come. To BoCs real credit they were quick to recognise this for themselves and take different approaches.
― grebo shot first (Noel Emits), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 17:34 (three years ago) link
yeah I see what you mean. It’s a catch-22 cliche, right? Repeat yourself and risk diluting the magic, try something new and risk losing the magic.
― brimstead, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 18:00 (three years ago) link
my hot take is that they stopped enjoying or being excited by making music some time around geogaddi.
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 18:06 (three years ago) link
Sad to see Campfire still being dismissed 15 years later.
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 3 September 2020 08:20 (three years ago) link
Don't think anyone's dismissing it, just seems to be most people's least favourite.
― chap, Thursday, 3 September 2020 08:51 (three years ago) link
how did I manage to miss the opening track to their 2001 ATP show? (I somehow thought it was a sound check/intro kinda thing, but it's like their answer to Eno's An Ascent)https://youtu.be/fjrPpzNeNZ0
― StanM, Tuesday, 8 September 2020 06:19 (three years ago) link
(don't read the comments)
― StanM, Tuesday, 8 September 2020 06:20 (three years ago) link
one of my friends recently casually mentioned that he saw that show and I was pretty near speechless with envy
― umsworth (emsworth), Tuesday, 8 September 2020 06:25 (three years ago) link
their Warp10 set is worth a listen toohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGQ6Sp2JuPA
― assert (MatthewK), Tuesday, 8 September 2020 06:33 (three years ago) link
the devil is in the details
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 8 September 2020 06:57 (three years ago) link
Thanks, it is! xp
― StanM, Wednesday, 9 September 2020 15:08 (three years ago) link
the gyroscope devil gysroscope is gyroscope in gyroscope the gyroscope. details
― where do all these unsold amps go? (gaudio), Thursday, 15 October 2020 17:41 (three years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Friday, 30 October 2020 00:01 (three years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Saturday, 31 October 2020 00:01 (three years ago) link
hmmmm
― lukas, Saturday, 31 October 2020 00:54 (three years ago) link
DAWN CHORUS? What even happens in that song?
― flappy bird, Monday, 23 November 2020 05:27 (three years ago) link
Plenty. It may be the only track I can easily conjure in my head from the title alone!
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Monday, 23 November 2020 05:38 (three years ago) link
Sending a team of lawyers to rescind the count
― assert (MatthewK), Monday, 23 November 2020 08:48 (three years ago) link
Yes, this is an irregular result.
― chap, Monday, 23 November 2020 09:47 (three years ago) link